Hello,
I posted on pastebin teh output of the failed update of a fedora 10 installation. http://pastebin.com/eTfDxUS
It is posted with my name: Patrick Dupre
Thank for your help.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
I posted on pastebin teh output of the failed update of a fedora 10 installation.
Sorry it is: http://pastebin.com/eTfDxUSB
It is posted with my name: Patrick Dupre
Thank for your help.
On 24 October 2010 23:59, Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
I posted on pastebin teh output of the failed update of a fedora 10 installation.
Sorry it is: http://pastebin.com/eTfDxUSB
Fedora 10 is EOL'd. Perhaps it is not available at the servers. Why not install Fedora 13?
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Piscium wrote:
On 24 October 2010 23:59, Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Hello,
I posted on pastebin teh output of the failed update of a fedora 10 installation.
Sorry it is: http://pastebin.com/eTfDxUSB
Fedora 10 is EOL'd. Perhaps it is not available at the servers. Why not install Fedora 13?
It is an update from fedora 10 to fedora 13. Sorry for the confusion !
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
It is an update from fedora 10 to fedora 13. Sorry for the confusion !
An update from f10 to f13 in one jump is likely to be fraught with problems!
Why not do a clean install of f13 and then fixup the issues that arise with any existing user setups etc?
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, mike cloaked wrote:
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
It is an update from fedora 10 to fedora 13. Sorry for the confusion !
An update from f10 to f13 in one jump is likely to be fraught with problems!
Why not do a clean install of f13 and then fixup the issues that arise with any existing user setups etc?
Because I want to update the machine, it save a lot of my time. I even have to update 1 more machine from fedora 11 to fedora 13.
I addition, if I am correct, this update problem already happened when I tried to updated from fedora 7 to fedora 10 and it has not been fixed right (I probably had to resintall every things). If updating from 10 to 11, from 11 to 12 and from 12 to 13 would be the solution then I would do it. But in my opinion this is not the issue. Anaconda do not like something in the partitioning, the logical volumes ? the hard drives ? This time I would like to make these updates right. I guess that the output file of anaconda should tell what is wrong.
Regards.
On 10/25/2010 04:33 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
I addition, if I am correct, this update problem already happened when I tried to updated from fedora 7 to fedora 10 and it has not been fixed right (I probably had to resintall every things).
Is there a reason why you wait until months (if not years) after a Fedora version reaches EOL before upgrading?
If updating from 10 to 11, from 11 to 12 and from 12 to 13 would be the solution then I would do it. But in my opinion this is not the issue.
Upgrading Fedora by skipping releases is considered to be risky at best, and is never recommended. Your opinion is wrong.
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 10/25/2010 04:33 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
I addition, if I am correct, this update problem already happened when I tried to updated from fedora 7 to fedora 10 and it has not been fixed right (I probably had to resintall every things).
Is there a reason why you wait until months (if not years) after a Fedora version reaches EOL before upgrading?
No Time
If updating from 10 to 11, from 11 to 12 and from 12 to 13 would be the solution then I would do it. But in my opinion this is not the issue.
Upgrading Fedora by skipping releases is considered to be risky at best, and is never recommended. Your opinion is wrong.
Did you have a lock on the anaconda output file ? If you demonstrate me that it is the problem I will try to update to fedora 11 and it will have to work ! I built up my opinion on the fact that anaconda even did not try to start the update. It did fail before the update ! It seems not happy with the logical volumes or with the partitions configuration.
Regards.
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 18:41 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Is there a reason why you wait until months (if not years) after a Fedora version reaches EOL before upgrading?
No Time
Wrong distribution then.
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Peter Larsen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 18:41 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Is there a reason why you wait until months (if not years) after a Fedora version reaches EOL before upgrading?
No Time
Wrong distribution then.
!!!!!! I am making updates since REDHAT 4.0 !!!!!!!!!! Should I change !!!!!!!!!!!
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Peter Larsen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 18:41 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Is there a reason why you wait until months (if not years) after a Fedora version reaches EOL before upgrading?
No Time
Wrong distribution then.
!!!!!! I am making updates since REDHAT 4.0 !!!!!!!!!! Should I change !!!!!!!!!!!
It is entirely up to you but the best advice I can offer is to listen to what the very experienced Fedora users suggest what you should and what you should not do! Ignoring the voice of experience is unwise!
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, mike cloaked wrote:
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Peter Larsen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 18:41 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Is there a reason why you wait until months (if not years) after a Fedora version reaches EOL before upgrading?
No Time
Wrong distribution then.
!!!!!! I am making updates since REDHAT 4.0 !!!!!!!!!! Should I change !!!!!!!!!!!
It is entirely up to you but the best advice I can offer is to listen to what the very experienced Fedora users suggest what you should and what you should not do! Ignoring the voice of experience is unwise!
I am perfectly happy with that.
The story is: I tried to update 1 system from fedora 10 to 13, it failed before it even starts the update! 1) I tried 3 times. 2) I will have to do it one or 2 more times 3) I already had a similar problem when I update this system to fedora 10 4) I posted the output of anaconda like it is suggested by the installation 5) I did expected that somebody would have a look on this file and give me some feedback. 6) Accordingly, I will see what to do. 7) I do not see the point now in trying to make 10 -> 11, 11 -> 12, 12 -> 13 and face the same problems every times if it can solve more efficiently. 8) I could help more that one person in maintaining fedora system. 9) Does my way of trying to make progress wrong ?
Regards.
On 10/25/2010 11:49 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
The story is: I tried to update 1 system from fedora 10 to 13, it failed before it even starts the update!
As both Fedora 10 and 11 are past EOL, it's going to be hard to update or upgrade either of them. Check at http://www.fedoraforums.org and go to the board for EOL versions; you may find something there, but I doubt it.
- Does my way of trying to make progress wrong ?
Yes. Trying the same thing over and over while expecting different results is one definition of insanity. (Please don't take this personally; I'm not trying to insult you, just pointing out the futility of your efforts.) You have been told, by two different people, that your method is wrong, why it's wrong and what you should be doing. Instead of taking our advice, you insist on doing the same wrong thing over and over. It hasn't worked and it's not going to work. Either accept that and Do It Right, or stop complaining that your way doesn't work. It's your box, your call...
On 25 October 2010 19:49, Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
- I posted the output of anaconda like it is suggested by the
installation 5) I did expected that somebody would have a look on this file
It is unlikely that anyone will spend time looking at this considering that is so out of date.
I can install F13 in about 30 minutes (once the live CD is downloaded and put on a USB stick.) You probably spent more time writing emails!
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:49:32 +0100 (BST) Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, mike cloaked wrote: It is entirely up to you but the best advice I can offer is to listen to what the very experienced Fedora users suggest what you should and what you should not do! Ignoring the voice of experience is unwise!
I am perfectly happy with that.
The story is: I tried to update 1 system from fedora 10 to 13, it failed before it even starts the update!
- I tried 3 times.
- I will have to do it one or 2 more times
- I already had a similar problem when I update this system to
fedora 10 4) I posted the output of anaconda like it is suggested by the installation 5) I did expected that somebody would have a look on this file and give me some feedback. 6) Accordingly, I will see what to do. 7) I do not see the point now in trying to make 10 -> 11, 11 -> 12, 12 -> 13 and face the same problems every times if it can solve more efficiently. 8) I could help more that one person in maintaining fedora system. 9) Does my way of trying to make progress wrong ?
error: rpmdb open failed
This is the pertinent part of the anaconda output you posted. I vaguely recall that rpm changed in an incompatible way between F11 and F12. That would explain why F13 can't open an F10 rpmdb, because it is expecting an F12 rpmdb, with which it is compatible. If it can't read what you have installed, it can't upgrade it, so it bails out.
The sequence of updates you suggest in point 7 above might allow you to do this update from F10 to F13. I'm not sure how readily available the packages will be to preupgrade for the update from F10 to F11 since both are out of support. I have seen links posted on this list for archives of past releases, so you might be able to make it work.
All in all, I agree with others that you would be better off saving your home directory, and anything else unique for you, and doing a fresh install. It seems like CentOS might be a better fit for your use case too, since it is stable and maintained for long periods of time.
But you have to decide that.
Good luck.
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:49:32 +0100 (BST)
Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
The story is: I tried to update 1 system from fedora 10 to 13, it failed before it even starts the update!
- I tried 3 times.
- I will have to do it one or 2 more times
- I already had a similar problem when I update this system to
fedora 10 4) I posted the output of anaconda like it is suggested by the installation 5) I did expected that somebody would have a look on this file and give me some feedback. 6) Accordingly, I will see what to do. 7) I do not see the point now in trying to make 10 -> 11, 11 -> 12, 12 -> 13 and face the same problems every times if it can solve more efficiently. 8) I could help more that one person in maintaining fedora system. 9) Does my way of trying to make progress wrong ?
PS
If you do decide to do a fresh install, I recommend that you do a new install on unused media, say another internal hard drive or a USB hard drive or partition(s). That way, if something goes wrong, you have your old system still funtioning perfectly well, so problems aren't catastrophes, just challenges to overcome. And you can do an orderly transfer of your unique information. When problems become overwhelming to deal with in the new system, just boot back into your old system till you're ready to face them again.
It will save you a lot of (potential) grief.
On 10/25/2010 11:49 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, mike cloaked wrote:
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Patrick Dupre pd520@york.ac.uk wrote:
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Peter Larsen wrote:
On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 18:41 +0100, Patrick Dupre wrote:
Is there a reason why you wait until months (if not years) after a Fedora version reaches EOL before upgrading?
No Time
Wrong distribution then.
!!!!!! I am making updates since REDHAT 4.0 !!!!!!!!!! Should I change !!!!!!!!!!!
It is entirely up to you but the best advice I can offer is to listen to what the very experienced Fedora users suggest what you should and what you should not do! Ignoring the voice of experience is unwise!
I am perfectly happy with that.
The story is: I tried to update 1 system from fedora 10 to 13, it failed before it even starts the update!
- I tried 3 times.
- I will have to do it one or 2 more times
- I already had a similar problem when I update this system to fedora 10
- I posted the output of anaconda like it is suggested by the
installation 5) I did expected that somebody would have a look on this file and give me some feedback. 6) Accordingly, I will see what to do. 7) I do not see the point now in trying to make 10 -> 11, 11 -> 12, 12 -> 13 and face the same problems every times if it can solve more efficiently. 8) I could help more that one person in maintaining fedora system. 9) Does my way of trying to make progress wrong ?
There are inherent incompatibilities between F10 and F13. The internal RPM database format changed, the kernel's changed a ton, the GUIs are all radically different, the X server changed, etc. etc.
Jumping three releases (10 to 13) has never been supported and most likely never will because of these radical changes. This is why you are expected to migrate from 10 to 11, then from 11 to 12, and then from 12 to 13. Even that can be fraught with danger. Your best bet is to back up all of your user data and install a fresh F13.
Also keep in mind that any Fedora release will go end-of-life roughly one month after its second successor is released (f13 caused F11 to go end of life when it was released, F14 will cause F12 to go end-of-life one month after it's released, etc.) and since Fedora releases happen roughly every six months, any given Fedora release has about a one-year life span (I think midges live longer).
If you need more stability, I'd suggest you go the RHEL or CentOS route. CentOS tracks RHEL and has a similar lifetime (I think it's five years). Granted, CentOS is still back in the kernel 2.6.18 days, but it's stable and security updates still appear for it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, C2 Hosting ricks@nerd.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - I don't suffer from insanity...I enjoy every minute of it! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On 26/10/10 11:40, Rick Stevens wrote:
Also keep in mind that any Fedora release will go end-of-life roughly one month after its second successor is released (f13 caused F11 to go end of life when it was released, F14 will cause F12 to go end-of-life one month after it's released, etc.) and since Fedora releases happen roughly every six months, any given Fedora release has about a one-year life span (I think midges live longer).
Oh! arghhhhh! I hope not ! November is coming and we've had a lot of rain and biting midges are in plague numbers here already. Summer is Yuck! Gasp! Roger
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