My Sony Vaio PCG-F350 laptop (Pentium II 364 MHz, 192 Mb RAM) is running out of hard drive space. The machine is running Fedora Core 2. It is still using the original 6 Gb hard drive, and has 491 Mb of free space left. I'd love a new machine, but I'm loathe to spend the money right now, especially as one of my kids will soon need to gear up for university. I figure I can just install a bigger hard drive on the machine.
I am thinking of simply popping in the new hard drive and then installing Fedora Core 3 to it. Does that sound like a good option -- or will Core 3 grind to a halt? It doesn't have much memory. But the new drive will have faster rotational speed plus an 8 Mb buffer, so that might help a little bit. Or should I stick with Fedora Core 2, which I already know runs slowly, but it does run. I have a Buffalo wireless PC card that I can use with this baby for my internet connection.
Thanks
Bob Cochran Greenbelt, Maryland
Robert L Cochran wrote:
My Sony Vaio PCG-F350 laptop (Pentium II 364 MHz, 192 Mb RAM) is running out of hard drive space. The machine is running Fedora Core 2. It is still using the original 6 Gb hard drive, and has 491 Mb of free space left. I'd love a new machine, but I'm loathe to spend the money right now, especially as one of my kids will soon need to gear up for university. I figure I can just install a bigger hard drive on the machine.
I am thinking of simply popping in the new hard drive and then installing Fedora Core 3 to it. Does that sound like a good option -- or will Core 3 grind to a halt? It doesn't have much memory. But the new drive will have faster rotational speed plus an 8 Mb buffer, so that might help a little bit. Or should I stick with Fedora Core 2, which I already know runs slowly, but it does run. I have a Buffalo wireless PC card that I can use with this baby for my internet connection.
I don't think you will have any problem installing FC-3 if you put in a new disk. 192MB RAM is plenty for this purpose.
Also I didn't notice FC-3 was any slower than FC-2; Has someone said it is?
I'm running FC-3 now on a Sony C1VFK Picturebook with 128MB RAM. (It used to have 256MB, but the extra memory has failed.) This has a Crusoe 660MHz processor.
I'm also running FC-3 on a 300MHz Pentium II desktop with 128MB RAM. I had no problem installing FC-3, but I must admit X is rather slow.
Both machines have plenty of disk-space. (I installed a 60GB drive in my Picturebook.)
On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 03:42 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Robert L Cochran wrote:
My Sony Vaio PCG-F350 laptop (Pentium II 364 MHz, 192 Mb RAM) is running out of hard drive space. The machine is running Fedora Core 2. It is still using the original 6 Gb hard drive, and has 491 Mb of free space left. I'd love a new machine, but I'm loathe to spend the money right now, especially as one of my kids will soon need to gear up for university. I figure I can just install a bigger hard drive on the machine.
I am thinking of simply popping in the new hard drive and then installing Fedora Core 3 to it. Does that sound like a good option -- or will Core 3 grind to a halt? It doesn't have much memory. But the new drive will have faster rotational speed plus an 8 Mb buffer, so that might help a little bit. Or should I stick with Fedora Core 2, which I already know runs slowly, but it does run. I have a Buffalo wireless PC card that I can use with this baby for my internet connection.
I don't think you will have any problem installing FC-3 if you put in a new disk. 192MB RAM is plenty for this purpose.
Also I didn't notice FC-3 was any slower than FC-2; Has someone said it is?
I'm running FC-3 now on a Sony C1VFK Picturebook with 128MB RAM. (It used to have 256MB, but the extra memory has failed.) This has a Crusoe 660MHz processor.
I'm also running FC-3 on a 300MHz Pentium II desktop with 128MB RAM. I had no problem installing FC-3, but I must admit X is rather slow.
Both machines have plenty of disk-space. (I installed a 60GB drive in my Picturebook.)
---- I generally got the impression that much of the 'reported slowness' of FC-3 related to the lack of pre-linking for the oft-used programs such as openoffice and firefox.
But I am not knowledgeable about these things.
Craig
Timothy Murphy wrote:
Robert L Cochran wrote:
My Sony Vaio PCG-F350 laptop (Pentium II 364 MHz, 192 Mb RAM) is running out of hard drive space. The machine is running Fedora Core 2. It is still using the original 6 Gb hard drive, and has 491 Mb of free space left. I'd love a new machine, but I'm loathe to spend the money right now, especially as one of my kids will soon need to gear up for university. I figure I can just install a bigger hard drive on the machine.
I am thinking of simply popping in the new hard drive and then installing Fedora Core 3 to it. Does that sound like a good option -- or will Core 3 grind to a halt? It doesn't have much memory. But the new drive will have faster rotational speed plus an 8 Mb buffer, so that might help a little bit. Or should I stick with Fedora Core 2, which I already know runs slowly, but it does run. I have a Buffalo wireless PC card that I can use with this baby for my internet connection.
I don't think you will have any problem installing FC-3 if you put in a new disk. 192MB RAM is plenty for this purpose.
Also I didn't notice FC-3 was any slower than FC-2; Has someone said it is?
I'm running FC-3 now on a Sony C1VFK Picturebook with 128MB RAM. (It used to have 256MB, but the extra memory has failed.) This has a Crusoe 660MHz processor.
I'm also running FC-3 on a 300MHz Pentium II desktop with 128MB RAM. I had no problem installing FC-3, but I must admit X is rather slow.
Both machines have plenty of disk-space. (I installed a 60GB drive in my Picturebook.)
Thanks Timothy. I'll order the new drive soon. I suppose if I just exchange the drives and install Fedora Core 3 from DVD that will save me a lot of bother connecting them to another computer first using 2 special adapters and then copying manually partitioning and formatting the new drive and copying the contents of the old drive to the new one.
Bob
On Sunday 30 January 2005 10:03, Robert L Cochran wrote:
My Sony Vaio PCG-F350 laptop (Pentium II 364 MHz, 192 Mb RAM) is running out of hard drive space. The machine is running Fedora Core 2. It is still using the original 6 Gb hard drive, and has 491 Mb of free space left. I'd love a new machine, but I'm loathe to spend the money right now, especially as one of my kids will soon need to gear up for university. I figure I can just install a bigger hard drive on the machine.
I am thinking of simply popping in the new hard drive and then installing Fedora Core 3 to it. Does that sound like a good option -- or will Core 3 grind to a halt? It doesn't have much memory. But the new drive will have faster rotational speed plus an 8 Mb buffer, so that might help a little bit. Or should I stick with Fedora Core 2, which I already know runs slowly, but it does run. I have a Buffalo wireless PC card that I can use with this baby for my internet connection.
I don't think you will have any problem installing FC-3 if you put in a new disk. 192MB RAM is plenty for this purpose.
Also I didn't notice FC-3 was any slower than FC-2; Has someone said it is?
I'm running FC-3 now on a Sony C1VFK Picturebook with 128MB RAM. (It used to have 256MB, but the extra memory has failed.) This has a Crusoe 660MHz processor.
I'm also running FC-3 on a 300MHz Pentium II desktop with 128MB RAM. I had no problem installing FC-3, but I must admit X is rather slow.
Both machines have plenty of disk-space. (I installed a 60GB drive in my Picturebook.)
Thanks Timothy. I'll order the new drive soon. I suppose if I just exchange the drives and install Fedora Core 3 from DVD that will save me a lot of bother connecting them to another computer first using 2 special adapters and then copying manually partitioning and formatting the new drive and copying the contents of the old drive to the new one.
Assuming your DVD reader can boot the machine (which you could test before changing disk) there should be no problem. I was not able to install Fedora-3 directly on my machine from CDs after changing the disk as a problem showed up when trying to eject the first CD. In the end I installed SuSE-8.0 first, and used that to get the Fedora ISOs over and so install FC-3 from the hard disk.
It was suggested to me that I could have used the Rescue CD to install by NFS. The problem was that I only have one PCMCIA slot, which I would be using to read the Rescue CD. I was told I could have taken this out and put in a WiFi card before I said how I wanted to install. I haven't tried that, and am not convinced it would work.
I actually have two Picturebooks, and installed Fedora on the other after changing the disk by doing what you mention, copying the disk using a 2.5in adaptor on a desktop.
I also tested a USB adaptor on a desktop, which seemed to work well. I did think of using this adaptor directly on the Picturebook, but didn't get round to it.
By the way, the hard disks I installed on my two Picturebooks are 60GB Hitachi "Travelstar" disks, which run at 7200rpm. But I don't think the disk speed is relevant on my machines - if I were doing it again I might try a larger but slower disk.
Incidentally, I wasn't able to install Windows-2000 on my machine with the original Windows Rescue CDs, which I had. I asked Sony, and was told that the CDs only work on the machine as sold, and changing the disk counts as changing the machine. However, I was able to copy the old Windows partition using Linux dd, and was quite surprised to find that this worked perfectly.
I don't think you will have any problem installing FC-3 if you put in a new disk. 192MB RAM is plenty for this purpose.
Also I didn't notice FC-3 was any slower than FC-2; Has someone said it is?
I'm running FC-3 now on a Sony C1VFK Picturebook with 128MB RAM. (It used to have 256MB, but the extra memory has failed.) This has a Crusoe 660MHz processor.
I'm also running FC-3 on a 300MHz Pentium II desktop with 128MB RAM. I had no problem installing FC-3, but I must admit X is rather slow.
Both machines have plenty of disk-space. (I installed a 60GB drive in my Picturebook.)
I don't know if FC3 is slower than FC-2 but they are both pretty slow on a 128M RAM machine. X is certainly slow. But how about Open Office, and firefox speed of opening. etc, etc, and so forth. The swapping alone can torment you endlessly.
akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
I don't think you will have any problem installing FC-3 if you put in a new disk. 192MB RAM is plenty for this purpose.
Also I didn't notice FC-3 was any slower than FC-2; Has someone said it is?
I'm running FC-3 now on a Sony C1VFK Picturebook with 128MB RAM. (It used to have 256MB, but the extra memory has failed.) This has a Crusoe 660MHz processor.
I'm also running FC-3 on a 300MHz Pentium II desktop with 128MB RAM. I had no problem installing FC-3, but I must admit X is rather slow.
Both machines have plenty of disk-space. (I installed a 60GB drive in my Picturebook.)
I don't know if FC3 is slower than FC-2 but they are both pretty slow on a 128M RAM machine. X is certainly slow. But how about Open Office, and firefox speed of opening. etc, etc, and so forth. The swapping alone can torment you endlessly.
Use of XFce instead of Gnome or KDE may help some.
David Curry wrote:
akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
I don't think you will have any problem installing FC-3 if you put in a new disk. 192MB RAM is plenty for this purpose.
Also I didn't notice FC-3 was any slower than FC-2; Has someone said it is?
I'm running FC-3 now on a Sony C1VFK Picturebook with 128MB RAM. (It used to have 256MB, but the extra memory has failed.) This has a Crusoe 660MHz processor.
I'm also running FC-3 on a 300MHz Pentium II desktop with 128MB RAM. I had no problem installing FC-3, but I must admit X is rather slow.
Both machines have plenty of disk-space. (I installed a 60GB drive in my Picturebook.)
I don't know if FC3 is slower than FC-2 but they are both pretty slow on a 128M RAM machine. X is certainly slow. But how about Open Office, and firefox speed of opening. etc, etc, and so forth. The swapping alone can torment you endlessly.
Use of XFce instead of Gnome or KDE may help some.
Another thought occurred. I believe the Fedora Legacy Project supports RedHat Linux 7.x which may be more suitable for older machines.
On Sunday 30 January 2005 14:26, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
I don't know if FC3 is slower than FC-2 but they are both pretty slow on a 128M RAM machine. X is certainly slow. But how about Open Office, and firefox speed of opening. etc, etc, and so forth. The swapping alone can torment you endlessly.
Actually, X is bearable, and so is Firefox, on 128MB RAM which I have in the laptop I'm using now, but OpenOffice is impossible.
On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 17:46 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
On Sunday 30 January 2005 14:26, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
I don't know if FC3 is slower than FC-2 but they are both pretty slow on a 128M RAM machine. X is certainly slow. But how about Open Office, and firefox speed of opening. etc, etc, and so forth. The swapping alone can torment you endlessly.
Actually, X is bearable, and so is Firefox, on 128MB RAM which I have in the laptop I'm using now, but OpenOffice is impossible.
---- I think that there's been discussion about commenting out all of the unnecessary languages in the spell checker that will significantly speed things up - I don't have the archives up at the moment to search for them
Craig
Robert L Cochran wrote:
My Sony Vaio PCG-F350 laptop (Pentium II 364 MHz, 192 Mb RAM) is running out of hard drive space. The machine is running Fedora Core 2. It is still using the original 6 Gb hard drive, and has 491 Mb of free space left. I'd love a new machine, but I'm loathe to spend the money right now, especially as one of my kids will soon need to gear up for university. I figure I can just install a bigger hard drive on the machine.
I am thinking of simply popping in the new hard drive and then installing Fedora Core 3 to it. Does that sound like a good option -- or will Core 3 grind to a halt? It doesn't have much memory. But the new drive will have faster rotational speed plus an 8 Mb buffer, so that might help a little bit. Or should I stick with Fedora Core 2, which I already know runs slowly, but it does run. I have a Buffalo wireless PC card that I can use with this baby for my internet connection.
You should be just fine. I'm running FC3 on an 233MHz Pentium MMX laptop, 40GB disk, 256MB RAM. FC3 is just as slow as FC2. Wich menas slow (in comparation with Windows XP on the same box). Your 192MB RAM is more than enough, and your much faster processor will make things actually usable.
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:16:39 -0700 Craig White craigwhite@azapple.com wrote:
On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 17:46 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
On Sunday 30 January 2005 14:26, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
Actually, X is bearable, and so is Firefox, on 128MB RAM which I have in the laptop I'm using now, but OpenOffice is impossible.
I think that there's been discussion about commenting out all of the unnecessary languages in the spell checker that will significantly speed things up - I don't have the archives up at the moment to search for them
That tip will lower the memory consumption of OOO by quite a lot if you're in the habit of right-clicking a word for spelling hints.
I edited my dictionary list to just contain three lines:
$ cat /usr/lib/ooo-1.1/share/dict/ooo/dictionary.lst
DICT en US en_US HYPH en US en_US THES en US th_en_US
With the default (OOO 1.1.2 Fedora packages, because Fedora's 1.1.3 updates introduced a couple of printing bugs that were showstoppers for me), right clicking a word to get spelling suggestions would make the system start to swap and slow down - and this laptop is a P3/800 with 640M RAM. I'm sure it would help out on a 128MB machine as well.
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 12:04 -0500, Charles E Taylor IV wrote:
With the default (OOO 1.1.2 Fedora packages, because Fedora's 1.1.3 updates introduced a couple of printing bugs that were showstoppers for me), right clicking a word to get spelling suggestions would make the system start to swap and slow down - and this laptop is a P3/800 with 640M RAM. I'm sure it would help out on a 128MB machine as well.
It will help anyone, the miswritten file was having the spelling programme look for a match to all availabloe ditionaries - it was never designed for that. I had it going up to 720MB of my memory on a right- click.
Duncan
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:50:10 +0100 Duncan Lithgow duncan@lithgow-schmidt.dk wrote:
It will help anyone, the miswritten file was having the spelling programme look for a match to all availabloe ditionaries - it was never designed for that. I had it going up to 720MB of my memory on a right- click.
No wonder my laptop went swap-crazy. :)
I used to use OpenOffice 1.0 on a P233 laptop with 96MB of RAM (Redhat 9 as the OS), and aside from the initial loading time, it worked quite well. Has the memory footprint gone up THAT much with the 1.1 series, or is the other poster's pain associated with this dictionary bug?
akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
I don't think you will have any problem installing FC-3 if you put in a new disk. 192MB RAM is plenty for this purpose.
Also I didn't notice FC-3 was any slower than FC-2; Has someone said it is?
I'm running FC-3 now on a Sony C1VFK Picturebook with 128MB RAM. (It used to have 256MB, but the extra memory has failed.) This has a Crusoe 660MHz processor.
I'm also running FC-3 on a 300MHz Pentium II desktop with 128MB RAM. I had no problem installing FC-3, but I must admit X is rather slow.
Both machines have plenty of disk-space. (I installed a 60GB drive in my Picturebook.)
I don't know if FC3 is slower than FC-2 but they are both pretty slow on a 128M RAM machine. X is certainly slow. But how about Open Office, and firefox speed of opening. etc, etc, and so forth. The swapping alone can torment you endlessly.
FC3 may feel slower due to SELinux, if you disable it, FC3's actually faster than 2
Charles E Taylor IV wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:50:10 +0100 Duncan Lithgow duncan@lithgow-schmidt.dk wrote:
It will help anyone, the miswritten file was having the spelling programme look for a match to all availabloe ditionaries - it was never designed for that. I had it going up to 720MB of my memory on a right- click.
No wonder my laptop went swap-crazy. :)
I used to use OpenOffice 1.0 on a P233 laptop with 96MB of RAM (Redhat 9 as the OS), and aside from the initial loading time, it worked quite well. Has the memory footprint gone up THAT much with the 1.1 series, or is the other poster's pain associated with this dictionary bug?
Yeah... I'm affraid OOo 1.1.3 has a bit too big memory foot print to be useable on a 128Mb System... The whole OOo package should do something about their loading times and their memory footprint... I mean, you "only" open an app at a time, is it really necesary to initialize the whole spreadsheet-like subroutines when you load writer? Couldn't that be dynamic? (I don't have the slightest idea on how is OOo designed, so I couldn't say).
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 16:05 -0500, Charles E Taylor IV wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:50:10 +0100 Duncan Lithgow duncan@lithgow-schmidt.dk wrote:
It will help anyone, the miswritten file was having the spelling programme look for a match to all availabloe ditionaries - it was never designed for that. I had it going up to 720MB of my memory on a right- click.
No wonder my laptop went swap-crazy. :)
I used to use OpenOffice 1.0 on a P233 laptop with 96MB of RAM (Redhat 9 as the OS), and aside from the initial loading time, it worked quite well. Has the memory footprint gone up THAT much with the 1.1 series, or is the other poster's pain associated with this dictionary bug?
It's an error in the fedora/redhat rpm - not a general problem. But then my OOo is still a heavy app compared to others.
Duncan
On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 07:49 +0100, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 16:05 -0500, Charles E Taylor IV wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:50:10 +0100 Duncan Lithgow duncan@lithgow-schmidt.dk wrote:
It will help anyone, the miswritten file was having the spelling programme look for a match to all availabloe ditionaries - it was never designed for that. I had it going up to 720MB of my memory on a right- click.
No wonder my laptop went swap-crazy. :)
I used to use OpenOffice 1.0 on a P233 laptop with 96MB of RAM (Redhat 9 as the OS), and aside from the initial loading time, it worked quite well. Has the memory footprint gone up THAT much with the 1.1 series, or is the other poster's pain associated with this dictionary bug?
It's an error in the fedora/redhat rpm - not a general problem. But then my OOo is still a heavy app compared to others.
---- yeah but look what they're trying to feature match
Craig
Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
I don't think you will have any problem installing FC-3 if you put in a new disk. 192MB RAM is plenty for this purpose.
I did get Fedora Core 3 installed on the nice new laptop hard drive. Not without 2 tragedies -- I'll explain in a separate thread. It is a good thing I have a selection of wireless PC Cards. I couldn't get ndiswrapper 1.0 to load properly on the 667 kernel, so my Buffalo 54g card wouldn't work. I then popped in my SMC 2835w card, which uses the Prism54 driver. After manually installing the firmware needed in /lib/firmware, that got my network up.
Then I rebooted the machine to make the wireless card would come to life. Instead Kudzu came up, and I told it to configure the wireless card. Telling kudzu to configure a device usually works, but not this time. It wiped out my ssid setting, which in turn hung eth0 by the toes. I restored the ssid setting in the "System Settings --> Network Devices" applet, and that got me connected to the access point again.
Now I have up2date running for the first time. As soon as it finishes installing the numerous updates (tomorrow morning at the earliest on this machine), I'll recompile ndiswrapper and see if I can return to my Buffalo wireless card, which I can't live without. It has an external antenna jack so I can connect my "cantenna" to it and get much improved signal reception.
Bob
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