Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

[James McKenzie]

-----Original Message-----
From: micheal 
Sent: Jan 31, 2005 10:39 PM
To: For users of Fedora Core releases 
Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 11:44 +0800, Edward Yang wrote:
> micheal wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 17:32 -0600, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
> > > James Mckenzie wrote:
>
> I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the following
> options in cbulder.config:
>
> vmparam -Xms32m

Minumum memory per load: 32MB
> vmparam -Xmx256m

Maximum memory per load: 256MB
> So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
> 400mb memory?

This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not LINUX or FC.

FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote:
> > > > James Mckenzie wrote:
> >
> > I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the following
> > options in cbulder.config:
> >
> > vmparam -Xms32m
>
> Minumum memory per load: 32MB
> > vmparam -Xmx256m
>
> Maximum memory per load: 256MB
> > So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
> > 400mb memory?
>
> This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not LINUX or FC.

But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying  XP systems after
SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
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FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

[thomas cameron]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: 
To: "James Mckenzie" ; "For users of Fedora Core 
releases" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote:
> > > > > James Mckenzie wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the following
> > > options in cbulder.config:
> > >
> > > vmparam -Xms32m
> >
> > Minumum memory per load: 32MB
> > > vmparam -Xmx256m
> >
> > Maximum memory per load: 256MB
> > > So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
> > > 400mb memory?
> >
> > This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not 
> > LINUX or FC.
>
> But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
> written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
> a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
> installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
> distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying  XP systems after
> SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.

I haven't heard that OO is written in Java.  Even if it is - one third-party 
application does not make the whole distro suck.

Thomas

FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

[Leonardo Maguetas Devai]

I have heard that OO is written in Java too!
And I believed, because OO is so damn slow indeed :(

On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 10:13 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: 
> To: "James Mckenzie" ; "For users of Fedora Core 
> releases" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
> > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote:
> > > > > > James Mckenzie wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the following
> > > > options in cbulder.config:
> > > >
> > > > vmparam -Xms32m
> > >
> > > Minumum memory per load: 32MB
> > > > vmparam -Xmx256m
> > >
> > > Maximum memory per load: 256MB
> > > > So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
> > > > 400mb memory?
> > >
> > > This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not 
> > > LINUX or FC.
> >
> > But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
> > written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
> > a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
> > installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
> > distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying  XP systems after
> > SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
>
> I haven't heard that OO is written in Java.  Even if it is - one third-party 
> application does not make the whole distro suck.
>
> Thomas

FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

[Larry Meyers]

I agree, one third-party application does not make the whole distro suck.
But I also understand your frustration.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:17:52 -0200, Leonardo Maguetas Devai
 wrote:
> I have heard that OO is written in Java too!
>  And I believed, because OO is so damn slow indeed :(
>
> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 10:13 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: 
>  ----- Original Message ----- From:  To: "James
> Mckenzie" ; "For users of Fedora Core releases"
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory! > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005
> at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: >> > > > James Mckenzie wrote: >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find
>
> the following >> > options in cbulder.config: >> > >> > vmparam -Xms32m >>
> Minumum memory per load: 32MB >> > vmparam -Xmx256m >> Maximum memory per
> load: 256MB >> > >> > So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes
> up more than >> > 400mb memory? >> > >> This looks like a problem with
> either Java or Cbuilder and definately not >> LINUX or FC. >> > But I hear
> from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is > written in Java. So
> if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its > a Fedora problem also.
> There is no question in my experience that an > installation of everything
> thing in the FC3 (or even FC2) > distribution) leads to a bloated system.
> And saying XP systems after > SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel
> better. I haven't heard that OO is written in Java. Even if it is - one
> third-party application does not make the whole distro suck. Thomas 
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FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

[Jeff Vian]

On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 14:17 -0200, Leonardo Maguetas Devai wrote:
> I have heard that OO is written in Java too!
> And I believed, because OO is so damn slow indeed :(

If you believe OOo is written in Java it is easy to find out.
Use the source Leonardo.

I have not looked myself.
> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 10:13 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: 
> > To: "James Mckenzie" ; "For users of Fedora Core 
> > releases" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
> > > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote:
> > > > > > > James Mckenzie wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the following
> > > > > options in cbulder.config:
> > > > >
> > > > > vmparam -Xms32m
> > > >
> > > > Minumum memory per load: 32MB
> > > > > vmparam -Xmx256m
> > > >
> > > > Maximum memory per load: 256MB
> > > > > So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
> > > > > 400mb memory?
> > > >
> > > > This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not 
> > > > LINUX or FC.
> > >
> > > But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
> > > written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
> > > a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
> > > installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
> > > distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying  XP systems after
> > > SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
> >
> > I haven't heard that OO is written in Java.  Even if it is - one third-party 
> > application does not make the whole distro suck.
> >
> > Thomas
>
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OO is not written in java. Can't the sucks threads DIE ALREADY??

[Walter Francis]

> > But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
> > written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
> > a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
> > installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
> > distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying  XP systems after
> > SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
>
> I haven't heard that OO is written in Java.  Even if it is - one third-party 
> application does not make the whole distro suck.

What a bunch of stupid crap, of course OO isn't written in Java, you don't
have to have Java installed to use it, so how could it be written in
Java.

I wish this thread would DIE.

OO is not written in java. Can't the sucks threads DIE ALREADY??

[James Wilkinson]

Walter Francis wrote:
> What a bunch of stupid crap, of course OO isn't written in Java, you don't
> have to have Java installed to use it, so how could it be written in
> Java.

Mostly.

There are parts of (Sun's version of) Open Office that are written in
Java, and you do have to have Java installed to use them.

The version of OO.o that comes with Fedora 3 does not have them compiled
in.

I understand that certain Red Hat employees are working on a gcj-based
version of (the java parts of) OpenOffice.org 2, which might or might
not come in Fedora Core 4. The full release of OO.o 2 is due pretty
close to the projected release date of Fedora Core 4.

James.

OO is not written in java. Can't the sucks threads DIE ALREADY??

[Tim Alberts]

The JVM can be included in an application.  Not all java programs
require a machine have a JVM installed.  It just means that the whole
benefit of a Java app being run anywhere doesn't work because you've
made machine dependent code.  But once you start making JNI (Java Native
Interface) that is going to happen anyway so it makes sense to include
the JVM in the app so when developing your app, you know exactly what
JVM you have to work with.

On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 17:45 +0000, James Wilkinson wrote:
> Walter Francis wrote:
> > What a bunch of stupid crap, of course OO isn't written in Java, you don't
> > have to have Java installed to use it, so how could it be written in
> > Java.
>
> Mostly.
>
> There are parts of (Sun's version of) Open Office that are written in
> Java, and you do have to have Java installed to use them.
>
> The version of OO.o that comes with Fedora 3 does not have them compiled
> in.
>
> I understand that certain Red Hat employees are working on a gcj-based
> version of (the java parts of) OpenOffice.org 2, which might or might
> not come in Fedora Core 4. The full release of OO.o 2 is due pretty
> close to the projected release date of Fedora Core 4.
>
> James.
>
> -- 
> James Wilkinson       | When I turned two I was really anxious, because I'd
> Exeter    Devon    UK | doubled my age in a year. I thought, if this keeps up,
> E-mail address: james | by the time I'm six I'll be ninety.
> @westexe.demon.co.uk  |     -- Steve Wright

OO is not written in java. Can't the sucks threads DIE ALREADY??

[Jeff Vian]

On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 17:45 +0000, James Wilkinson wrote:
> Walter Francis wrote:
> > What a bunch of stupid crap, of course OO isn't written in Java, you don't
> > have to have Java installed to use it, so how could it be written in
> > Java.
>
> Mostly.
>
> There are parts of (Sun's version of) Open Office that are written in
> Java, and you do have to have Java installed to use them.
>
> The version of OO.o that comes with Fedora 3 does not have them compiled
> in.

Exactly.  OOo does not have a java dependency on FC3.
> I understand that certain Red Hat employees are working on a gcj-based
> version of (the java parts of) OpenOffice.org 2, which might or might
> not come in Fedora Core 4. The full release of OO.o 2 is due pretty
> close to the projected release date of Fedora Core 4.
>
> James.
>
> -- 
> James Wilkinson       | When I turned two I was really anxious, because I'd
> Exeter    Devon    UK | doubled my age in a year. I thought, if this keeps up,
> E-mail address: james | by the time I'm six I'll be ninety.
> @westexe.demon.co.uk  |     -- Steve Wright

FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

[Rodolfo J. Paiz]

On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 10:11 -0600, [e-mail] wrote:
> But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
> written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
> a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
> installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
> distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying  XP systems after
> SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.

Try to avoid acting on information from reliable sources.

OpenOffice is not *part of* Fedora; it is *included with* Fedora. The
Fedora *distribution* contains a great deal of software written by other
companies, efforts, teams, or movements, and distributed together (along
with a great deal of effort at making the user experience better) simply
for your convenience. So an OpenOffice problem, if any, could affect
Fedora users, but it is NOT a "Fedora problem".

Installing everything in the distribution will give you well over 1,300
packages, if I recall correctly. The MAJORITY of those are not required
or necessary for you to have a fully-capable, multi-user, networked
operating system with a graphical user interface. That majority of
packages is made up entirely of *applications*, a category which is
conspicuously absent in Windows.

In addition to that, Fedora supplies two and sometimes more packages
that do the exact same thing so the user will have a *choice*, making an
"everything" install even less advisable unless you know why you want
it. Claiming that an "everything" install is bloated is just silly... of
COURSE it's bloated, you were never meant to install everything in the
first place!

"XP is bloated" is a remark about an operating system. "Fedora's
Workstation install is bloated" is a remark about an operating system.
"An everything install of Fedora is bloated" is a demonstration of
personal ignorance.

Cheers,