9:17 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: micheal <sundance(a)sundanceloki.com>
Sent: Jan 31, 2005 10:39 PM
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
On Tue, 2005-02-01 at 11:44 +0800, Edward Yang wrote:
micheal wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 17:32 -0600, Gain Paolo Mureddu wrote:
>
> > James Mckenzie wrote:
> >
> >
I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the following
options in cbulder.config:
vmparam -Xms32m
Minumum memory per load: 32MB
vmparam -Xmx256m
Maximum memory per load: 256MB
So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
400mb memory?
This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not LINUX or
FC.
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10:11 a.m.
New subject: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote:
> > > James Mckenzie wrote:
> > >
> > >
> I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the following
> options in cbulder.config:
>
> vmparam -Xms32m
Minumum memory per load: 32MB
> vmparam -Xmx256m
Maximum memory per load: 256MB
>
> So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
> 400mb memory?
>
This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not LINUX or FC.
But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying XP systems after
SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
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10:13 a.m.
New subject: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
----- Original Message -----
From: <akonstam(a)trinity.edu>
To: "James Mckenzie" <jjmckenzie51(a)earthlink.net>; "For users of
Fedora Core
releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote:
> > > > James Mckenzie wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the following
> > options in cbulder.config:
> >
> > vmparam -Xms32m
> Minumum memory per load: 32MB
> > vmparam -Xmx256m
> Maximum memory per load: 256MB
> >
> > So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
> > 400mb memory?
> >
> This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not
> LINUX or FC.
>
But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying XP systems after
SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
I haven't heard that OO is written in Java. Even if it is - one third-party
application does not make the whole distro suck.
Thomas
10:17 a.m.
New subject: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
I have heard that OO is written in Java too!
And I believed, because OO is so damn slow indeed :(
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 10:13 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: <akonstam(a)trinity.edu>
To: "James Mckenzie" <jjmckenzie51(a)earthlink.net>; "For users of
Fedora Core
releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
> On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote:
>> > > > James Mckenzie wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the following
>> > options in cbulder.config:
>> >
>> > vmparam -Xms32m
>> Minumum memory per load: 32MB
>> > vmparam -Xmx256m
>> Maximum memory per load: 256MB
>> >
>> > So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
>> > 400mb memory?
>> >
>> This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not
>> LINUX or FC.
>>
> But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
> written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
> a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
> installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
> distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying XP systems after
> SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
I haven't heard that OO is written in Java. Even if it is - one third-party
application does not make the whole distro suck.
Thomas
10:26 a.m.
New subject: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
I agree, one third-party application does not make the whole distro suck.
But I also understand your frustration.
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 14:17:52 -0200, Leonardo Maguetas Devai
<leonardo(a)lbc.ludwig.org.br> wrote:
I have heard that OO is written in Java too!
And I believed, because OO is so damn slow indeed :(
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 10:13 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: <akonstam(a)trinity.edu> To: "James
Mckenzie" <jjmckenzie51(a)earthlink.net>; "For users of Fedora Core
releases"
<fedora-list(a)redhat.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory! > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005
at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: >> > > > James Mckenzie wrote:
>>
> > > >> > > > >> > I don't have those two options
in jdk.config. I do find
the following >> > options in cbulder.config: >> > >> >
vmparam -Xms32m >>
Minumum memory per load: 32MB >> > vmparam -Xmx256m >> Maximum memory per
load: 256MB >> > >> > So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX
takes
up more than >> > 400mb memory? >> > >> This looks like a problem
with
either Java or Cbuilder and definately not >> LINUX or FC. >> > But I
hear
from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is > written in Java. So
if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its > a Fedora problem also.
There is no question in my experience that an > installation of everything
thing in the FC3 (or even FC2) > distribution) leads to a bloated system.
And saying XP systems after > SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel
better. I haven't heard that OO is written in Java. Even if it is - one
third-party application does not make the whole distro suck. Thomas
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6:35 p.m.
New subject: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 14:17 -0200, Leonardo Maguetas Devai wrote:
I have heard that OO is written in Java too!
And I believed, because OO is so damn slow indeed :(
If you believe OOo is written in Java it is easy to find out.
Use the source Leonardo.
I have not looked myself.
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 10:13 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <akonstam(a)trinity.edu>
> To: "James Mckenzie" <jjmckenzie51(a)earthlink.net>; "For users
of Fedora Core
> releases" <fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
>
>
> > On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 08:57:11AM -0700, James Mckenzie wrote:
> >> > > > James Mckenzie wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > I don't have those two options in jdk.config. I do find the
following
> >> > options in cbulder.config:
> >> >
> >> > vmparam -Xms32m
> >> Minumum memory per load: 32MB
> >> > vmparam -Xmx256m
> >> Maximum memory per load: 256MB
> >> >
> >> > So I wonder why the JVM instance invoked by CBX takes up more than
> >> > 400mb memory?
> >> >
> >> This looks like a problem with either Java or Cbuilder and definately not
> >> LINUX or FC.
> >>
> > But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
> > written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
> > a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
> > installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
> > distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying XP systems after
> > SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
>
> I haven't heard that OO is written in Java. Even if it is - one third-party
> application does not make the whole distro suck.
>
> Thomas
>
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10:21 a.m.
New subject: OO is not written in java. Can't the sucks threads DIE ALREADY??
> But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
> written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
> a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
> installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
> distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying XP systems after
> SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
I haven't heard that OO is written in Java. Even if it is - one third-party
application does not make the whole distro suck.
What a bunch of stupid crap, of course OO isn't written in Java, you don't
have to have Java installed to use it, so how could it be written in
Java.
I wish this thread would DIE.
11:45 a.m.
New subject: OO is not written in java. Can't the sucks threads DIE ALREADY??
Walter Francis wrote:
What a bunch of stupid crap, of course OO isn't written in Java,
you don't
have to have Java installed to use it, so how could it be written in
Java.
Mostly.
There are parts of (Sun's version of) Open Office that are written in
Java, and you do have to have Java installed to use them.
The version of OO.o that comes with Fedora 3 does not have them compiled
in.
I understand that certain Red Hat employees are working on a gcj-based
version of (the java parts of) OpenOffice.org 2, which might or might
not come in Fedora Core 4. The full release of OO.o 2 is due pretty
close to the projected release date of Fedora Core 4.
James.
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11:52 a.m.
New subject: OO is not written in java. Can't the sucks threads DIE ALREADY??
The JVM can be included in an application. Not all java programs
require a machine have a JVM installed. It just means that the whole
benefit of a Java app being run anywhere doesn't work because you've
made machine dependent code. But once you start making JNI (Java Native
Interface) that is going to happen anyway so it makes sense to include
the JVM in the app so when developing your app, you know exactly what
JVM you have to work with.
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 17:45 +0000, James Wilkinson wrote:
Walter Francis wrote:
> What a bunch of stupid crap, of course OO isn't written in Java, you don't
> have to have Java installed to use it, so how could it be written in
> Java.
Mostly.
There are parts of (Sun's version of) Open Office that are written in
Java, and you do have to have Java installed to use them.
The version of OO.o that comes with Fedora 3 does not have them compiled
in.
I understand that certain Red Hat employees are working on a gcj-based
version of (the java parts of) OpenOffice.org 2, which might or might
not come in Fedora Core 4. The full release of OO.o 2 is due pretty
close to the projected release date of Fedora Core 4.
James.
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E-mail address: james | by the time I'm six I'll be ninety.
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6:36 p.m.
New subject: OO is not written in java. Can't the sucks threads DIE ALREADY??
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 17:45 +0000, James Wilkinson wrote:
Walter Francis wrote:
> What a bunch of stupid crap, of course OO isn't written in Java, you don't
> have to have Java installed to use it, so how could it be written in
> Java.
Mostly.
There are parts of (Sun's version of) Open Office that are written in
Java, and you do have to have Java installed to use them.
The version of OO.o that comes with Fedora 3 does not have them compiled
in.
Exactly. OOo does not have a java dependency on FC3.
I understand that certain Red Hat employees are working on a
gcj-based
version of (the java parts of) OpenOffice.org 2, which might or might
not come in Fedora Core 4. The full release of OO.o 2 is due pretty
close to the projected release date of Fedora Core 4.
James.
--
James Wilkinson | When I turned two I was really anxious, because I'd
Exeter Devon UK | doubled my age in a year. I thought, if this keeps up,
E-mail address: james | by the time I'm six I'll be ninety.
@westexe.demon.co.uk | -- Steve Wright
9:55 a.m.
New subject: FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 10:11 -0600, akonstam(a)trinity.edu wrote:
But I hear from the usual unreliable sources that OpenOffice is
written in Java. So if OpenOffice is part of Fedora it seems to me its
a Fedora problem also. There is no question in my experience that an
installation of everything thing in the FC3 (or even FC2)
distribution) leads to a bloated system. And saying XP systems after
SP2 are also bloated does not make me feel better.
Try to avoid acting on information from reliable sources.
OpenOffice is not *part of* Fedora; it is *included with* Fedora. The
Fedora *distribution* contains a great deal of software written by other
companies, efforts, teams, or movements, and distributed together (along
with a great deal of effort at making the user experience better) simply
for your convenience. So an OpenOffice problem, if any, could affect
Fedora users, but it is NOT a "Fedora problem".
Installing everything in the distribution will give you well over 1,300
packages, if I recall correctly. The MAJORITY of those are not required
or necessary for you to have a fully-capable, multi-user, networked
operating system with a graphical user interface. That majority of
packages is made up entirely of *applications*, a category which is
conspicuously absent in Windows.
In addition to that, Fedora supplies two and sometimes more packages
that do the exact same thing so the user will have a *choice*, making an
"everything" install even less advisable unless you know why you want
it. Claiming that an "everything" install is bloated is just silly... of
COURSE it's bloated, you were never meant to install everything in the
first place!
"XP is bloated" is a remark about an operating system. "Fedora's
Workstation install is bloated" is a remark about an operating system.
"An everything install of Fedora is bloated" is a demonstration of
personal ignorance.
Cheers,
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