printing to XP

[Lewi Kristianto]

is there any way that we can raw print to printer 
that attached to winxp from linux using cups,

the problem is that printer linux don't have driver
because that's GDI printer (photocopy machine sharp
ar-5316)

so the only hope is using xp only as print server

any idea, suggestions please?

Lewi

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[Joel Jaeggli]

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Lewi Kristianto wrote:
> is there any way that we can raw print to printer
> that attached to winxp from linux using cups,
>
> the problem is that printer linux don't have driver
> because that's GDI printer (photocopy machine sharp
> ar-5316)

Actually I'm not sure it's a forgone conclusion that a gdi printer can't 
be attached to a linux box, notwithstanding that you should be able to 
attach to a shared windows print queue using smbclient and submit your 
job... Then you should be able to send it postscript and let the windows 
print system rip it for you.
> so the only hope is using xp only as print server
>
> any idea, suggestions please?
>
> Lewi
>
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[Gary Stainburn]

Hi Lewi

On Thursday 26 Aug 2004 9:57 am, Lewi Kristianto wrote:
> is there any way that we can raw print to printer
> that attached to winxp from linux using cups,
>
> the problem is that printer linux don't have driver
> because that's GDI printer (photocopy machine sharp
> ar-5316)

What do you mean 'raw' printing?  You can select 'Generic' 'Raw print queue' 
as the printer type which will then send whatever you generate to the printer 
without messing with it.

This does then mean that you need to generate the correct code within the app, 
and therefore can't use it with a normal app, such as OOo.

Have you looked at the notes for the 'Generic' 'GDI Printer'?

I don't think Joel's suggestion will work because as far as I'm aware, the 
host Windows PC doesn't do anything with an incoming request except SPOOL it.  
Therefore sending a postscript doc would only work if the printer supported 
postscript - at which point we wouldn't be having this thread.
> so the only hope is using xp only as print server
>
> any idea, suggestions please?
>
> Lewi
>
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[Gary Allen Vollink]

Lewi Kristianto wrote:
> is there any way that we can raw print to printer 
> that attached to winxp from linux using cups,

As other's have said... I don't think there's a way to get this will 
work.  However,
it may be an acceptable kludge to set-up a network share on the Windows 
PC that
waits for PDF files, and then prints them through Adobe when they appear.
> the problem is that printer linux don't have driver
> because that's GDI printer (photocopy machine sharp
> ar-5316)
>
> so the only hope is using xp only as print server
>
> any idea, suggestions please?

One item to read is here...
  http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Generic-GDI_Printer

Also - for the archives...

Many "networked photocopiers" actually speak PCL 3 (set up CUPS to speak to
an HP LaserJet 4000).  Toshiba and Konica have been known to produce these.

That said, a "GDI" printer is unlikely to speak any standard
printer/rastering language.

[Lewi Kristianto]

Hi too,

I'm just curious that is there any open
source/commercial windows software to receive raw
files from network then print as normal, so there is
no 
different between if the printer is GDI or not

or is cups can running on cygwin?

--- Gary Stainburn 
wrote:
> Hi Lewi
>
> On Thursday 26 Aug 2004 9:57 am, Lewi Kristianto
> wrote:
> > is there any way that we can raw print to printer
> > that attached to winxp from linux using cups,
> >
> > the problem is that printer linux don't have
>
> driver
> > because that's GDI printer (photocopy machine
>
> sharp
> > ar-5316)
>
> What do you mean 'raw' printing?  You can select
> 'Generic' 'Raw print queue' 
> as the printer type which will then send whatever
> you generate to the printer 
> without messing with it.

yes, that what I meant for raw printer from
redhat-config-network (FC1)
> This does then mean that you need to generate the
> correct code within the app, 
> and therefore can't use it with a normal app, such
> as OOo.
>
> Have you looked at the notes for the 'Generic' 'GDI
> Printer'?
>
> I don't think Joel's suggestion will work because as
> far as I'm aware, the 
> host Windows PC doesn't do anything with an incoming
> request except SPOOL it.  
> Therefore sending a postscript doc would only work
> if the printer supported 
> postscript - at which point we wouldn't be having
> this thread.

yes, I can confirmed that in postcript printer can 
be accept ps, but the printer will be cost more
> > so the only hope is using xp only as print server
> >
> > any idea, suggestions please?
> >
> > Lewi
> >
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[Gary Stainburn]

Hi all,

On Thursday 26 Aug 2004 3:27 pm, Gary Allen Vollink wrote:
> Lewi Kristianto wrote:
> > is there any way that we can raw print to printer
> > that attached to winxp from linux using cups,
>
> As other's have said... I don't think there's a way to get this will
> work.  However,
> it may be an acceptable kludge to set-up a network share on the Windows
> PC that
> waits for PDF files, and then prints them through Adobe when they appear.

I did this myself in the oposite direction to allow Windows PCs to create PDF 
files.  There should be no difference doing it this way.  Anyway, doesn't 
acroread read postscript files anyway?
> > the problem is that printer linux don't have driver
> > because that's GDI printer (photocopy machine sharp
> > ar-5316)
> >
> > so the only hope is using xp only as print server
> >
> > any idea, suggestions please?
>
> One item to read is here...
>   http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Generic-GDI_Printer
>
> Also - for the archives...
>
> Many "networked photocopiers" actually speak PCL 3 (set up CUPS to speak to
> an HP LaserJet 4000).  Toshiba and Konica have been known to produce these.
>
> That said, a "GDI" printer is unlikely to speak any standard
> printer/rastering language.

[Gary Stainburn]

On Friday 27 Aug 2004 5:54 am, Lewi Kristianto wrote:
> Hi too,
>
> I'm just curious that is there any open
> source/commercial windows software to receive raw
> files from network then print as normal, so there is
> no
> different between if the printer is GDI or not
> or is cups can running on cygwin?

You keep saying 'Raw' files.  What do you mean by raw?

I doubt very much that there's anything out there to just sit and listen on 
the network for print requests.

I've just looked at Adobe acrobat and it doesn't look like it wants to accept 
command line arguments to print etc., so I don't know hu you'd get it into a 
batch routine either.
> --- Gary Stainburn
>
> wrote:
> > Hi Lewi
> >
> > On Thursday 26 Aug 2004 9:57 am, Lewi Kristianto
> >
> > wrote:
> > > is there any way that we can raw print to printer
> > > that attached to winxp from linux using cups,
> > >
> > > the problem is that printer linux don't have
> >
> > driver
> > > because that's GDI printer (photocopy machine
> >
> > sharp
> > > ar-5316)
> >
> > What do you mean 'raw' printing?  You can select
> > 'Generic' 'Raw print queue'
> > as the printer type which will then send whatever
> > you generate to the printer
> > without messing with it.
>
> yes, that what I meant for raw printer from
> redhat-config-network (FC1)
> > This does then mean that you need to generate the
> > correct code within the app,
> > and therefore can't use it with a normal app, such
> > as OOo.
> >
> > Have you looked at the notes for the 'Generic' 'GDI
> > Printer'?
> >
> > I don't think Joel's suggestion will work because as
> > far as I'm aware, the
> > host Windows PC doesn't do anything with an incoming
> > request except SPOOL it.
> > Therefore sending a postscript doc would only work
> > if the printer supported
> > postscript - at which point we wouldn't be having
> > this thread.
>
> yes, I can confirmed that in postcript printer can
> be accept ps, but the printer will be cost more
> > > so the only hope is using xp only as print server
> > >
> > > any idea, suggestions please?
> > >
> > > Lewi
> > >
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[Lewi Kristianto]

--- Gary Stainburn 
wrote:
> On Friday 27 Aug 2004 5:54 am, Lewi Kristianto
> wrote:
> > Hi too,
> >
> > I'm just curious that is there any open
> > source/commercial windows software to receive raw
> > files from network then print as normal, so there
>
> is
> > no
> > different between if the printer is GDI or not
> > or is cups can running on cygwin?
>
> You keep saying 'Raw' files.  What do you mean by
> raw?

raw? from general driver in redhat-config-network
> I doubt very much that there's anything out there to
> just sit and listen on 
> the network for print requests.

maybe there is some version cups-lite, that run on
windows that can receive files from linux, then 
throw to windows printer driver to process it, 
because there is limited windows computer, so
maybe it can be used for printer gateway to printer
that not yet supported in linux

or maybe is there any suggestion for write this apps
what documentation that I should read about?
(specification that cups need)
> I've just looked at Adobe acrobat and it doesn't
> look like it wants to accept 
> command line arguments to print etc., so I don't
> know hu you'd get it into a 
> batch routine either.

_______
MERGE
_______
> I did this myself in the oposite direction to allow
> Windows PCs to create PDF 
> files.  There should be no difference doing it this
> way.  Anyway, doesn't 
> acroread read postscript files anyway?

is that meant, that linux document need to sent in
sharing directory in windows "samba"?

cut

found solutions, PS printer emulation [was: Re: printing to XP]

[Lewi Kristianto]

just found this night,
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/heretrythis/hp3100/psemu.html

from http://www.linuxprinting.org/indexdoc.html
title: 
"Make a Windows-Connected Printer look like a
Network-Shareable PostScript Printer"

thank you all, 
I will try in Monday to see if it's works for me, 
and I can post here the result

great community! 
great open source community!

--- Lewi Kristianto  wrote:
> --- Gary Stainburn 
> wrote:
> > On Friday 27 Aug 2004 5:54 am, Lewi Kristianto
> > wrote:
> > > Hi too,
> > >
> > > I'm just curious that is there any open
> > > source/commercial windows software to receive
>
> raw
> > > files from network then print as normal, so
>
> there
> > is
> > > no
> > > different between if the printer is GDI or not
> > > or is cups can running on cygwin?
> >
> > You keep saying 'Raw' files.  What do you mean by
> > raw?
>
> raw? from general driver in redhat-config-network
> > I doubt very much that there's anything out there
>
> to
> > just sit and listen on 
> > the network for print requests.
>
> maybe there is some version cups-lite, that run on
> windows that can receive files from linux, then 
> throw to windows printer driver to process it, 
> because there is limited windows computer, so
> maybe it can be used for printer gateway to printer
> that not yet supported in linux
>
> or maybe is there any suggestion for write this apps
> what documentation that I should read about?
> (specification that cups need)
> > I've just looked at Adobe acrobat and it doesn't
> > look like it wants to accept 
> > command line arguments to print etc., so I don't
> > know hu you'd get it into a 
> > batch routine either.
>
> MERGE
> _______
> > I did this myself in the oposite direction to
>
> allow
> > Windows PCs to create PDF 
> > files.  There should be no difference doing it
>
> this
> > way.  Anyway, doesn't 
> > acroread read postscript files anyway?
>
> is that meant, that linux document need to sent in
> sharing directory in windows "samba"?
> cut
>
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> [e-mail]
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found solutions, PS printer emulation [was: Re: printing to XP]

[Lewi Kristianto]

just found this night,
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/heretrythis/hp3100/psemu.html

from http://www.linuxprinting.org/indexdoc.html
title: 
"Make a Windows-Connected Printer look like a
Network-Shareable PostScript Printer"

I think this solution will be acceptable for now, 
waiting for more printer vendor to get natively works
for linux

thank you all, 
I will try in Monday to see if it's works for me, 
and I can post here the result

great community! 
great open source community!

--- Lewi Kristianto  wrote:
> --- Gary Stainburn 
> wrote:
> > On Friday 27 Aug 2004 5:54 am, Lewi Kristianto
> > wrote:
> > > Hi too,
> > >
> > > I'm just curious that is there any open
> > > source/commercial windows software to receive
>
> raw
> > > files from network then print as normal, so
>
> there
> > is
> > > no
> > > different between if the printer is GDI or not
> > > or is cups can running on cygwin?
> >
> > You keep saying 'Raw' files.  What do you mean by
> > raw?
>
> raw? from general driver in redhat-config-network
> > I doubt very much that there's anything out there
>
> to
> > just sit and listen on 
> > the network for print requests.
>
> maybe there is some version cups-lite, that run on
> windows that can receive files from linux, then 
> throw to windows printer driver to process it, 
> because there is limited windows computer, so
> maybe it can be used for printer gateway to printer
> that not yet supported in linux
>
> or maybe is there any suggestion for write this apps
> what documentation that I should read about?
> (specification that cups need)
> > I've just looked at Adobe acrobat and it doesn't
> > look like it wants to accept 
> > command line arguments to print etc., so I don't
> > know hu you'd get it into a 
> > batch routine either.
>
> MERGE
> _______
> > I did this myself in the oposite direction to
>
> allow
> > Windows PCs to create PDF 
> > files.  There should be no difference doing it
>
> this
> > way.  Anyway, doesn't 
> > acroread read postscript files anyway?
>
> is that meant, that linux document need to sent in
> sharing directory in windows "samba"?
> cut
>
> fedora-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe:
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list

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[John Thompson]

Gary Stainburn wrote:
> I doubt very much that there's anything out there to just sit and listen on 
> the network for print requests.

WinXP has a Unix-style lp server available.  You have to use the Control 
Panel "Services" applet to enable it.
> I've just looked at Adobe acrobat and it doesn't look like it wants to accept 
> command line arguments to print etc., so I don't know hu you'd get it into a 
> batch routine either.

Maybe ghostscript? It can run in batch routines and is available for Win32.