Bit of a problem

[Roger]

I have a HD with 2 partitions. Ubuntu 13.04 on one, primary boot is 
through ubuntu grub and Fedora 19 on partition 2 which I use all the time.

Ubuntu13.04 ran into a problem yesterday during software update, it lost 
the internet connection and errors out with a dialog to say internet 
connection is lost.
I tried it again this morning with same result after checking the 
internet and ensuring connection with fedora and ubuntu on eth0.
I do not understand why ubuntu loses internet during update when it can 
download files and emails ok.

Ubutnu 13.04 has problem for me, I have run all the cleanups and tests 
and run only the minimum of apps and there are no errors reported, but 
it takes >30 seconds to start a terminal and another 50 seconds before 
the prompt appears.

Because Fedora 19 is booted from the ubuntu grub partition I am 
reluctant to reinstall a fresh ubuntu because if it trashes Fedora I 
have major hassles re installing Rails and Drupal which are day projects 
on both linuxes.

Is there any way I can change the boot to Fedora?

I am seriously considering reverting ubuntu to 12LTS which my daughters 
run without a problem.
Will it be safe as in not trashing Fedora to do a fresh U-LTS install,
are there any gotchas I need to be aware of?
Does anyone else experience difficulties with Ubuntu 13.04?

Help very much appreciated
thanks in advance
Roger

[Dave Stevens]

Quoting Roger :
> I have a HD with 2 partitions. Ubuntu 13.04 on one, primary boot is  
> through ubuntu grub and Fedora 19 on partition 2 which I use all the  
> time.
>
> Ubuntu13.04 ran into a problem yesterday during software update, it  
> lost the internet connection and errors out with a dialog to say  
> internet connection is lost.
> I tried it again this morning with same result after checking the  
> internet and ensuring connection with fedora and ubuntu on eth0.
> I do not understand why ubuntu loses internet during update when it  
> can download files and emails ok.
>
> Ubutnu 13.04 has problem for me, I have run all the cleanups and  
> tests and run only the minimum of apps and there are no errors  
> reported, but it takes >30 seconds to start a terminal and another  
> 50 seconds before the prompt appears.
>
> Because Fedora 19 is booted from the ubuntu grub partition I am  
> reluctant to reinstall a fresh ubuntu because if it trashes Fedora I  
> have major hassles re installing Rails and Drupal which are day  
> projects on both linuxes.
>
> Is there any way I can change the boot to Fedora?

do you know how to edit grub.conf?
> I am seriously considering reverting ubuntu to 12LTS which my  
> daughters run without a problem.
> Will it be safe as in not trashing Fedora to do a fresh U-LTS install,
> are there any gotchas I need to be aware of?
> Does anyone else experience difficulties with Ubuntu 13.04?
>
> Help very much appreciated
> thanks in advance
> Roger
>
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[Joe Zeff]

On 10/22/2013 03:40 PM, Roger wrote:
> Ubutnu 13.04 has problem for me, I have run all the cleanups and tests
> and run only the minimum of apps and there are no errors reported, but
> it takes >30 seconds to start a terminal and another 50 seconds before
> the prompt appears.

Have you checked on the ubuntu forum to see if anybody else has this 
issue?  You may find a solution or workaround if you do.
> Is there any way I can change the boot to Fedora?

Again, ask at the ubuntu forum, because the method and/or commands 
needed may be different from what you'd do through Fedora.  I don't want 
to brush you off, but this really isn't a Fedora issue, and you'd be 
much better off getting help from the people who know the distro in 
question.  Good luck!

[William Oliver]

On Wed, 23 Oct 2013, Roger wrote:
> I have a HD with 2 partitions. Ubuntu 13.04 on one, primary boot is through 
> ubuntu grub and Fedora 19 on partition 2 which I use all the time.
>
> Ubuntu13.04 ran into a problem yesterday during software update, it lost the 
> internet connection and errors out with a dialog to say internet connection 
> is lost.
> I tried it again this morning with same result after checking the internet 
> and ensuring connection with fedora and ubuntu on eth0.
> I do not understand why ubuntu loses internet during update when it can 
> download files and emails ok.
>
> Ubutnu 13.04 has problem for me, I have run all the cleanups and tests and 
> run only the minimum of apps and there are no errors reported, but it takes
> > 30 seconds to start a terminal and another 50 seconds before the prompt
>
> appears.
>
> Because Fedora 19 is booted from the ubuntu grub partition I am reluctant to 
> reinstall a fresh ubuntu because if it trashes Fedora I have major hassles re 
> installing Rails and Drupal which are day projects on both linuxes.
>
> Is there any way I can change the boot to Fedora?
>
> [snip]

I had something like this happen to me a few years ago, though obviously it was not with current distros.  As I remember, I booted from a Fedora live CD and one of the options was to re-do the MBR.  I did, and it worked fine.

See:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/ap-re...
and
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/31318/recovering-fedora-19-boot-reins...

Look at section 19.1.2.1 - Reinstalling the boot loader.

Frankly, if it wuz me, I'd just choose one or the other and run everything else as a virtual machine (I use virtualbox).

billo

[William Oliver]

On Tue, 22 Oct 2013, Bill Oliver wrote:
> I had something like this happen to me a few years ago, though obviously it 
> was not with current distros.  As I remember, I booted from a Fedora live CD 
> and one of the options was to re-do the MBR.  I did, and it worked fine.
>
> See:
> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/ap-re...
> and
> https://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/31318/recovering-fedora-19-boot-reins...
>
> Look at section 19.1.2.1 - Reinstalling the boot loader.
>
> Frankly, if it wuz me, I'd just choose one or the other and run everything 
> else as a virtual machine (I use virtualbox).
>
> billo

Note by the way that this will make Fedora your default boot, and if
your Ubuntu partition is screwed up enough, it may not recognize it as
such, which means you'll have to play Ubuntu games to fix it.

billo

[Roger]

> > I had something like this happen to me a few years ago, though 
> > obviously it was not with current distros.  As I remember, I booted 
> > from a Fedora live CD and one of the options was to re-do the MBR.  I 
> > did, and it worked fine.
> >
> > See:
> > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/16/html/Installation_Guide/ap-re...
> >
> > and
> > https://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/31318/recovering-fedora-19-boot-reins...
> >
> > Look at section 19.1.2.1 - Reinstalling the boot loader.
> >
> > Frankly, if it wuz me, I'd just choose one or the other and run 
> > everything else as a virtual machine (I use virtualbox).
> >
> > billo
>
> Note by the way that this will make Fedora your default boot, and if
> your Ubuntu partition is screwed up enough, it may not recognize it as
> such, which means you'll have to play Ubuntu games to fix it.
>
> billo

I thought about virtual partitions but if the primary linux stuffs up, 
everything is lost, If I were going this path I would use CentOS as the 
primary.

I wanted ubuntu and fedora to be quite separate but did not realise 
that  upgrading ubuntu from 12.10 to 130.4 would trash the grub that I 
was using.
Roger

[Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus]

Well, multiple boot machine is something very nice but we must be careful
with all we do when we're installing the OSs.

There is a long time I don't install Fedora, but ubuntu can specify the
boot partition in the installation interface it uses now. I think Fedora
also give us a lot of facilities.

I don't know how you did your installation, but I use to create few
partitions in the HDD before install anything. I use a / partition where I
install each OS (about 20 GB, perhaps 10 GB will be enough for that). A
/home partition where I store all my information, the size will be as big
as our HDD let us create it. And a swap partition about the same size of my
RAM for hibernate and suspend the PC correctly, very useful for portable
PCs.

This way let us to have more than  linux SO installed and also change it or
upgrade it if necessary without loosing our data.

On the other hand, why you upgraded Ubuntu? The LTS release are very
comfortable for work, you can get a very stable and updated system for
years. Only if you have troubles with your hardware or if the LTS don't
allows you to explode a feature as you need or want, will be a good idea
upgrade it. But if it works, don't break one of the golden rules of the
Engineering: if it works, don't fix it.

Finally because the GRUB, exist the Supergrubdisk which allows you to fix
some common troubles with the GRUB and also you can change manually the
grub.conf file. There are a lot of tutorials in blogs, mainly in the Ubuntu
forums, you can find for do it. Once I had to do it.

Good luck
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