Strange problem with KDE/X/Totem

[Linux]

Hi,

When i start my computer and logs in to kde, everything is fine, and I 
can switch to consoles (alt+ctl+f2 etc.)

If I then try to start totem, or try to acces streaming video in firefox 
(with mplayer) or similar, kde logs out, and i need to login again. Now 
after the login it is not possile to go to the consoles. When i try the 
screen freezes until i go back to kde.

Also, when i try to shutdown after this I can see a title bar of a 
window with Totem... as the heading. (I cannot se the normal shutdown, 
(the messages when it shuts down things)

Computer: Fujitsu Siemens Amilo A7600
Videocard ATI Radeon M320 (Detected and setup as Ati Mobility U1)
Kernel 2.6.9-1.667 (since the no. .10 kernel hangs at boot)
Have booted with ACPI=off  noapic

[tortho@localhost ~]$ /sbin/lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc AGP Bridge [IGP 320M] (rev 13)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc PCI Bridge [IGP 320M] (rev 01)
00:02.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03)
00:03.0 Modem: ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller
00:04.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE (rev c4)
00:06.0 Bridge: ALi Corporation M7101 Power Management Controller [PMU]
00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV]
00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link 
Controller Audio Device (rev 02)
00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
00:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host 
Controller (rev 46)
00:0b.0 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1420 Cardbus Controller 
(rev 01)
00:0b.1 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1420 Cardbus Controller 
(rev 01)
00:0f.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03)
01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1

THT

[Jim Cornette]

Tor Harald Thorland wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When i start my computer and logs in to kde, everything is fine, and I 
> can switch to consoles (alt+ctl+f2 etc.)
>
> If I then try to start totem, or try to acces streaming video in firefox 
> (with mplayer) or similar, kde logs out, and i need to login again. Now 
> after the login it is not possile to go to the consoles. When i try the 
> screen freezes until i go back to kde.
>
> Also, when i try to shutdown after this I can see a title bar of a 
> window with Totem... as the heading. (I cannot se the normal shutdown, 
> (the messages when it shuts down things)
>
> Computer: Fujitsu Siemens Amilo A7600
> Videocard ATI Radeon M320 (Detected and setup as Ati Mobility U1)
> Kernel 2.6.9-1.667 (since the no. .10 kernel hangs at boot)
> Have booted with ACPI=off  noapic
>
> [tortho@localhost ~]$ /sbin/lspci
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc AGP Bridge [IGP 320M] (rev 13)
> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc PCI Bridge [IGP 320M] (rev 01)
> 00:02.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03)
> 00:03.0 Modem: ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97 Modem Controller
> 00:04.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE (rev c4)
> 00:06.0 Bridge: ALi Corporation M7101 Power Management Controller [PMU]
> 00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV]
> 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link 
> Controller Audio Device (rev 02)
> 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
> 00:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host 
> Controller (rev 46)
> 00:0b.0 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1420 Cardbus Controller 
> (rev 01)
> 00:0b.1 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1420 Cardbus Controller 
> (rev 01)
> 00:0f.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03)
> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1
>
> THT

At least you are able to change back to X and run KDE. With a similar 
card type. I can change from GNOME to a terminal, use the terminal. My 
problem happens when I change back to the GUI, the upper portion of the 
screen has residual information. The residual display takes up about the 
same screen real estate as is occupied by the upper GNOME panel. I need 
to power off uncleanly in order to escape the resulting lockup.

I run in runlevel 3. Are you starting in graphics mode or to initial 
terminals? My question is mainly so I can figure which component is most 
likely causing the malfunction. With you running KDE and having locked 
terminals, but could return to KDE and I can exit from Gnome to 
terminal, but not return successfully to the GUI are sort of opposite 
symptoms for users of similar video cards.

I don't have the problem with totem though as you described.

01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1

Jim

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 26 February 2005 21:24, Jim Cornette wrote:
> Tor Harald Thorland wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > When i start my computer and logs in to kde, everything is fine,
> > and I can switch to consoles (alt+ctl+f2 etc.)
> >
> > If I then try to start totem, or try to acces streaming video in
> > firefox (with mplayer) or similar, kde logs out, and i need to
> > login again. Now after the login it is not possile to go to the
> > consoles. When i try the screen freezes until i go back to kde.
> >
> > Also, when i try to shutdown after this I can see a title bar of a
> > window with Totem... as the heading. (I cannot se the normal
> > shutdown, (the messages when it shuts down things)
> >
> > Computer: Fujitsu Siemens Amilo A7600
> > Videocard ATI Radeon M320 (Detected and setup as Ati Mobility U1)
> > Kernel 2.6.9-1.667 (since the no. .10 kernel hangs at boot)
> > Have booted with ACPI=off  noapic
> >
> > [tortho@localhost ~]$ /sbin/lspci
> > 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc AGP Bridge [IGP 320M]
> > (rev 13) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc PCI Bridge [IGP
> > 320M] (rev 01) 00:02.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1
> > Controller (rev 03) 00:03.0 Modem: ALi Corporation M5457 AC'97
> > Modem Controller 00:04.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE
> > (rev c4) 00:06.0 Bridge: ALi Corporation M7101 Power Management
> > Controller [PMU] 00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533 PCI to
> > ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV] 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi
> > Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02)
> > 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> > RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
> > 00:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394
> > Host Controller (rev 46)
> > 00:0b.0 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1420 Cardbus
> > Controller (rev 01)
> > 00:0b.1 CardBus bridge: ENE Technology Inc CB1420 Cardbus
> > Controller (rev 01)
> > 00:0f.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev
> > 03) 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon
> > Mobility U1
> >
> > THT
>
> At least you are able to change back to X and run KDE. With a
> similar card type. I can change from GNOME to a terminal, use the
> terminal. My problem happens when I change back to the GUI, the
> upper portion of the screen has residual information. The residual
> display takes up about the same screen real estate as is occupied
> by the upper GNOME panel. I need to power off uncleanly in order to
> escape the resulting lockup.
>
> I run in runlevel 3. Are you starting in graphics mode or to initial
> terminals? My question is mainly so I can figure which component is
> most likely causing the malfunction. With you running KDE and
> having locked terminals, but could return to KDE and I can exit
> from Gnome to terminal, but not return successfully to the GUI are
> sort of opposite symptoms for users of similar video cards.
>
> I don't have the problem with totem though as you described.
>
> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon
> Mobility U1
>
> Jim
>
> --
> We are experiencing system trouble -- do not adjust your terminal.

Generally speaking, such problems have been brought about here by 
using the wrong framebuffer when I built the kernel.  I suspect thats 
the problem here also. Since its an ati, although not the same as 
mine, here are the 'FB' options from my working kernel .config for 
2.6.11-rc5:

CONFIG_FB=y
CONFIG_FB_MODE_HELPERS=y
CONFIG_FB_RADEON=m
CONFIG_FB_RADEON_I2C=y

Now, as to the actual correctness, damnedifiknow.  But its been 
working here for about a year with no glitches when I switch in and 
out of X.  X is currently the 6.8.1 release from x.org, locally built 
and has been bulletproof so far.

[Jim Cornette]

> > At least you are able to change back to X and run KDE. With a
> > similar card type. I can change from GNOME to a terminal, use the
> > terminal. My problem happens when I change back to the GUI, the
> > upper portion of the screen has residual information. The residual
> > display takes up about the same screen real estate as is occupied
> > by the upper GNOME panel. I need to power off uncleanly in order to
> > escape the resulting lockup.
> >
> > I run in runlevel 3. Are you starting in graphics mode or to initial
> > terminals? My question is mainly so I can figure which component is
> > most likely causing the malfunction. With you running KDE and
> > having locked terminals, but could return to KDE and I can exit
> > from Gnome to terminal, but not return successfully to the GUI are
> > sort of opposite symptoms for users of similar video cards.
> >
> > I don't have the problem with totem though as you described.
> >
> > 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon
> > Mobility U1
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --
> > We are experiencing system trouble -- do not adjust your terminal.
>
> Generally speaking, such problems have been brought about here by 
> using the wrong framebuffer when I built the kernel.  I suspect thats 
> the problem here also. Since its an ati, although not the same as 
> mine, here are the 'FB' options from my working kernel .config for 
> 2.6.11-rc5:
>
> CONFIG_FB=y
> CONFIG_FB_MODE_HELPERS=y
> CONFIG_FB_RADEON=m
> CONFIG_FB_RADEON_I2C=y
>
> Now, as to the actual correctness, damnedifiknow.  But its been 
> working here for about a year with no glitches when I switch in and 
> out of X.  X is currently the 6.8.1 release from x.org, locally built 
> and has been bulletproof so far.

I get this warning in the kernel log.
Feb 26 22:07:17 cornette-fc3-lt kernel: Warning: ATI Radeon IGP 
Northbridge is not yet fully tested.

I have been using the Fedora binary kernel and the binary xorg-x11 
versions. I might try to build a kernel from source and see if something 
in the configuration of the stock kernel is causing this condition VT to 
GUI is OK, GUI to VT is OK, but changing from VT to GUI again causes a 
lockup. The mouse moves around on the GUI, but nothing functions and 
even ALT-sysreq-b does not break out of the condition.

I can logout of X back to a terminal alright, then get back into X 
without any problems. I think that going through all the video problems 
with the radeon 7200 and wth the i810 got me to say, what the heck, at 
least it works with care.

I'll search for bugs in xorg-x11 website, then if no similar reports do 
the rebuild of the kernel.  The only two modules that lsmod shows that 
sound related to graphics are a video module and te radeon module. I'll 
exit the GUI to see if the radeon is still listed in lsmod. I assume 
that this is the framebuffer module that you are referring to.

Thanks for the hint regarding no problem with a custom built kernel.

Jim

[Linux]

Jim Cornette wrote:
> Tor Harald Thorland wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > When i start my computer and logs in to kde, everything is fine, and 
> > I can switch to consoles (alt+ctl+f2 etc.)
> > [tortho@localhost ~]$ /sbin/lspci
> > 00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc AGP Bridge [IGP 320M] (rev 13)
> > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: ATI Technologies Inc PCI Bridge [IGP 320M] (rev 01)
> > 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 
> > Mobility U1
>
> I run in runlevel 3. Are you starting in graphics mode or to initial 
> terminals? My question is mainly so I can figure which component is 
> most likely causing the malfunction. With you running KDE and having 
> locked terminals, but could return to KDE and I can exit from Gnome to 
> terminal, but not return successfully to the GUI are sort of opposite 
> symptoms for users of similar video cards.
>
> I don't have the problem with totem though as you described.
>
> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 
> Mobility U1

A more irretating thing is that Fedora Core 2 worked Excelent!! The only 
problem there was the TV out and a "second monitor"

The first time after install, I had to enter runlevel 3 to get in the 
noaccel option in the conf file. But now i boot into runlevel 5
I was so angry at "fedora" so i tryed to install suse 9.2 a couple of 
days ago. it identifyed my graphics card as ati (with lost of numbers 
behind it) but in suse it was playing videos, totem was working and so on.
My touchpad was also working!! (but not my mouse!)

But why is this display almost stopping working in fedora 3 when 2 was 
excelent!!!
Fedora without the ability to watch videos... hmmmm

THT

[Jim Cornette]

> A more irretating thing is that Fedora Core 2 worked Excelent!! The only 
> problem there was the TV out and a "second monitor"

I believe the concept was to get xorg-x11 as close to upstream as 
possible. A lot of videocards suffered from the transition from redhat 
patched to mostly upstreamed version. This driver did not give me fits 
when running FC2 either. however, when installing a clean install of 
FC3, it seemed to exhibit problems. I guess since the problem is here 
now with the adoption of getting things fixed upstream vs. a heavily 
patched version, problems need submitted to
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/
I am getting ready to search bugs for the radeon card. I'll post if I 
cross a bug report that sounds similar to the problem you are having.
> The first time after install, I had to enter runlevel 3 to get in the 
> noaccel option in the conf file. But now i boot into runlevel 5

I think that I had a mess on first boot into FC3 post-install. I did not 
  add the option into my file. I just kept starting X from a terminal, 
avoided switching video modes and the like. The card works fine otherwise.
As a test to see if switching from the GUI to terminal, then back to GUI 
had anything related to the gnome-panel, I set the upper panel to 
autohide. When I switched back to the GUI, it occupied the same "real 
estate" that was occupied by the hiden panel.(very narrow bar, vs normal 
panel width.) I guess this might mean that the panel might have some 
influence on the problem that I am getting.
As an additional test, I added the Option "NoAccel" to the xorg.conf for 
my card and it stopped the problem that I got with the lockup. However, 
it left the screen rather untextured and I will probably revert back to 
removing the option w/ special care regarding mode switching and 
changing to the terminal.
This option "NoAccel" might be influencing the problem that you are 
seeing. You might try to change back to starting in runlevel 3, then 
edit out the option "NoAccel" from Xorg.conf and using startx to start 
the player. You might see better video performance from the video 
player, however your problem with not changing back to the terminal 
would not be addressed.
Regarding video players, I installed xine to play DVDs. It works fine 
for me. The videos play excellent and with much detail. (No additional 
options in the terminal.)
> I was so angry at "fedora" so i tryed to install suse 9.2 a couple of 
> days ago. it identifyed my graphics card as ati (with lost of numbers 
> behind it) but in suse it was playing videos, totem was working and so on.
> My touchpad was also working!! (but not my mouse!)

As a test, I changed my driver to "ati" and it worked pretty much like 
the radeon driver. I believe that the radeon and the "ati" driver work 
together. I think the radeon driver calls the ati driver, it might be 
the reverse situation though. Anyway, with the ati driver, I got the 
GUI-console-GUI lockup just the same.
> But why is this display almost stopping working in fedora 3 when 2 was 
> excelent!!!
> Fedora without the ability to watch videos... hmmmm

I believe this is regression of a driver. It appears that a bug report 
should get the problem on the way to a resolution.

Thanks for the input. I was helped out by trying to guide you to a 
resolution. I don't know if this will help you to get videos playing 
again with FC3.

Off to freedesktop.org again! - :-)

BTW - resorting to the noaccel option for long term is not a very good 
solution. When I scrolled down this message, strobing was pretty bad. 
Normally (for me) there is no such problem with no added entries in 
xorg.conf

Jim
> THT

[Linux]

Jim Cornette wrote:
> > A more irretating thing is that Fedora Core 2 worked Excelent!! The 
> > only problem there was the TV out and a "second monitor"
>
> I believe this is regression of a driver. It appears that a bug report 
> should get the problem on the way to a resolution.
> Thanks for the input. I was helped out by trying to guide you to a 
> resolution. I don't know if this will help you to get videos playing 
> again with FC3.
> Off to freedesktop.org again! - :-)
> BTW - resorting to the noaccel option for long term is not a very good 
> solution. When I scrolled down this message, strobing was pretty bad. 
> Normally (for me) there is no such problem with no added entries in 
> xorg.conf
> Jim
> > THT

Installed Xine also, since you said it was working excelent at your 
computer.... But guess....
Same problem as with Totem or the mplayer plugin for firefox. As soon as 
it is trying to play a movie. X & KDE shuts down.

THT

[Jim Cornette]

Tor Harald Thorland wrote:
> Jim Cornette wrote:
> >
>
> Installed Xine also, since you said it was working excelent at your 
> computer.... But guess....
> Same problem as with Totem or the mplayer plugin for firefox. As soon as 
> it is trying to play a movie. X & KDE shuts down.
>
> THT

I'll try xine later using KDE to see if GNOME/KDE differences might be 
the reason for your failure with video.
I cannot verify the reaction of totem. I could not get it to recognize 
my dvd without changes.

I submitted a bug related to how the driver works in runlevel 3 and 
without adding Option "NoAccel" added to the kernel. This is the mode 
that I am currently using. There are some errors reported in the logs 
attached to the report.

Jim

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2556

[Linux]

Jim Cornette wrote:
> Tor Harald Thorland wrote:
> > Jim Cornette wrote:
> > >
> >
> > Installed Xine also, since you said it was working excelent at your 
> > computer.... But guess....
> > Same problem as with Totem or the mplayer plugin for firefox. As soon 
> > as it is trying to play a movie. X & KDE shuts down.
> >
> > THT
>
> I'll try xine later using KDE to see if GNOME/KDE differences might be 
> the reason for your failure with video.
> I cannot verify the reaction of totem. I could not get it to recognize 
> my dvd without changes.
> Jim
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2556

Hi again,

I tried to install gnome also today.
I have now tryed all players for both avi & mpeg with different movies 
under both KDE & Gnome.
All of them shuts down my X-server. Which log files can I look in to 
find some errors?

THT

[Jim Cornette]

Tor Harald Thorland wrote:
> Jim Cornette wrote:
> > Tor Harald Thorland wrote:
> > > Jim Cornette wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > Installed Xine also, since you said it was working excelent at your 
> > > computer.... But guess....
> > > Same problem as with Totem or the mplayer plugin for firefox. As soon 
> > > as it is trying to play a movie. X & KDE shuts down.
> > >
> > > THT
> >
> > I'll try xine later using KDE to see if GNOME/KDE differences might be 
> > the reason for your failure with video.
> > I cannot verify the reaction of totem. I could not get it to recognize 
> > my dvd without changes.
> > Jim
> >
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2556
>
> Hi again,
>
> I tried to install gnome also today.
> I have now tryed all players for both avi & mpeg with different movies 
> under both KDE & Gnome.
> All of them shuts down my X-server. Which log files can I look in to 
> find some errors?
>
> THT

When your X server is shutdown, you want to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log 
before you try to restart X again. This file records the sessions and is 
overwritten when X starts up again.

/var/log/messages shows details of system processes and pretty much 
records activities on your system.

typing dmesg should show what recently happened on your system.

My diagnosis regarding the problem is that the radeon driver is fouled 
up and cannot direct render properly. The system then tries this another 
way and runs off to crashing X land.

I added the zip file containing the dri (still "borken") and the drivers 
for ati and radeon. This hack works and I can run xfce (used to black 
screen and lockup) Change to and from virtual terminals and do not have 
crashes. Also I am not using option "NoAccel", it is not needed. I'm 
booting in runlevel 3 and using startx. Tuxracer is slow, but does not 
black screen as it did with the drivers in the rpm.

Jim