I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
Cheers, -- Wade Hampton
On 09/02/2011 06:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
That doesn't make sense; extending support for F14 creates more work for developers with already busy schedules. That would translate into less time spent on F16 (or F15 updates or post-F16 rawhide, i.e. what will become F17).
Regards, Bryn.
On 09/02/2011 10:17 AM, Wade Hampton wrote:
I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
Why are you assuming that Gnome 3 will still be a FPOS by the time F16 comes out?
On 09/02/2011 01:42 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
On 09/02/2011 06:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
That doesn't make sense; extending support for F14 creates more work for developers with already busy schedules. That would translate into less time spent on F16 (or F15 updates or post-F16 rawhide, i.e. what will become F17).
1) The argument is not completely wrong (not that I think supporting F14 will happen or even makes sense - but for other reasons - see below) -
* The Gnome 3 devs (who are in large part redhat) would spend zero time supporting F14 Gnome 2 in this case
* neither would the systemd team (lennart) do any F14 work (obviously)
* however it would take time from the kernel team ... and others ... that said, it may make some sense to update the kernel on F14.
2) Most people who are not happy with Gnome 3 have simply dropped it for other DE's - Gnome 3 is not a rational reason for continued support of F14.
Gnome 2 is dead - whether you move to KDE, XFCE, LXDE or Gnome Shell or anything else - none of them will be Gnome 2 or ever bring back Gnome 2 - its dead/gone sitting with the fishes .. move on ...
Problems with systemd (if you have any) might be ... but Gnome 3 is not a valid reason to hold resources supporting F14 in my view.
gene
On 9/2/2011 1:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
Cheers,
Wade Hampton
H*ll yes! Where can I vote?
I absolutely can *NOT* use F15 or F16 as my work computer. I am required to use Windows7 64bit Enterprise on the physical hardware (must run Cisco Agent and vSphere clients that are not going to work on Linux), and the Oracle VirtualBox does not adequately permit 3d to run the "drain bamaged" Gnome3 in a "not going to lock up" manner.
On 9/3/2011 12:21 PM, Chris Kloiber wrote:
On 9/2/2011 1:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
Cheers,
Wade Hampton
H*ll yes! Where can I vote?
I absolutely can *NOT* use F15 or F16 as my work computer. I am required to use Windows7 64bit Enterprise on the physical hardware (must run Cisco Agent and vSphere clients that are not going to work on Linux), and the Oracle VirtualBox does not adequately permit 3d to run the "drain bamaged" Gnome3 in a "not going to lock up" manner.
Virtualbox does not support software under developmet. This means the Xorg that is currently in Fedora 16. As soon as Fedora 16 is released Virtualbox will be updated and the Vbox video drivers will once again build.
However the virtual will never work as well as a true installation.
On 09/03/2011 11:21 AM, Chris Kloiber wrote:
On 9/2/2011 1:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
Cheers,
Wade Hampton
H*ll yes! Where can I vote?
I absolutely can *NOT* use F15 or F16 as my work computer. I am required to use Windows7 64bit Enterprise on the physical hardware (must run Cisco Agent and vSphere clients that are not going to work on Linux), and the Oracle VirtualBox does not adequately permit 3d to run the "drain bamaged" Gnome3 in a "not going to lock up" manner.
Do not confuse Gnome 3 with F15. As has been said dozens of times before on this list, you can use XFCE, KDE, and other GUIs.
On 09/03/2011 09:21 AM, Chris Kloiber wrote:
the Oracle VirtualBox does not adequately permit 3d to run the "drain bamaged" Gnome3 in a "not going to lock up" manner.
As several of us have pointed out at different times, there's nothing forcing you to use Gnome. If it doesn't work, try KDE or XFCE.
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