Hi all,
I've anxiously been following the list for quite some time hoping that Fedora Core would be the solution to most of my current issues with redhat 9.
I've been jumping from Redhat 6 to mandrake (because i use KDE) to Suse 8 and now back to redhat 8 and redhat 9 (still using KDE). I still love redhat 9 because it actually made it possible for me to finally entirely remove my windows XP install on my laptop. And for that reason alone i've eagerly awaited Fedora Core. Btw i'm working on the system, not using tons of time to recompile kernels or do development.
But suddenly it dawned on me ? Is there any real news in Fedora Core ?
- Kernel update (well, we're kinda used to that) - Updated packages (used to that too) - Additional hardware support (normally always in any new release)
What are the real news ? Graphical boot is offcourse interesting (i love eye-candy and it's important to me, i'll admit that).
And yes i care about boot time since my laptops is moved around and is therefore booted several times a day. Why are Fedora not using the newer initscripts that can start services in parallel (hopefully making boots faster).
What about the interactivity patches ? have they been compiled into the new kernel ? Would make life lots easier for desktop users.
Most people that i've talked to think that K3b is the ultimate CD burning app. But for some reason it's not in Fedora ? Why not ?
Neither firestarter nor guarddog is included ? I would think that intergrating some kind of personal firewalling thingy would be beneficial. The original tool included within redhat-config-packages does not seem to do that much. And monitoring like you can with watchdog would be great !
The new Suse includes configuration utilities for configuring DHCP Servers, Syslog and TFTP Servers. Since one of the reason why i use redhat/fedora are the config packages i would really love to see comparable GUI utilities from redhat. For some reason the configurations utilities from redhat, at least to me, seems like they are just better than whats included in the other distributions.
Gnome 2.4 in probably a big thing. But the file selector in KDE is one of the reasons why i have never used Gnome for more than a few hours (although i like the look-and-feel of gnome).
Ethereal is still at version 0.9.13 ? Why is that when there is a perfectly working version 0.9.15 out ?
Was there not something about Fedora being a "bleeding-edge" distribution ?
One thing which i'm awaiting with much anticipation is the ability to use yum and apt repositories. FINALLY .... that will make life several hundred times easier combined with up2date for day2day updates.
Is this just a rant about how annoyed i am with the new release ! no it's not (even though it might sound a bit like it at times). I will most definetely download and use fedora core when it gets generally available.
I just think that fedora could do better ! yum, apt, new gnome, graphical boot and changed bluecurve will all be great but lots of things that could have made it the ultimate desktop/mini-server bleeding-edge distribution are still missing.
And i won't even start on multimedia :-)
Regards
Lasse
PS: Now that i've complained i've gotta do my part. Downloading as we speak to help with as much bug hunting (probably the only thing i can help with) before the final release :-)
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 06:42:11PM +0200, Lasse Kim Christiansen wrote:
But suddenly it dawned on me ? Is there any real news in Fedora Core ?
- Kernel update (well, we're kinda used to that)
The biggest 'new' feature this time round kernel-wise is probably exec-shield. This is also in RHEL, but isn't as new, nor has all the features that the FC version has. Additionally, theres laptop-mode, and a few other new kernel goodies. (Release notes has more info)
What about the interactivity patches ? have they been compiled into the new kernel ?
We have a backport of the O(1) scheduler changes that recently went into 2.6, which seem to be working out quite well.
Neither firestarter nor guarddog is included ? I would think that intergrating some kind of personal firewalling thingy would be beneficial. The original tool included within redhat-config-packages does not seem to do that much. And monitoring like you can with watchdog would be great !
Agreed. I'd personally like to see something along these lines for FC2.
Was there not something about Fedora being a "bleeding-edge" distribution ?
Sure, but with just a few weeks until the final iso's are created, there comes a time when you have to cut off on updates, and start QA.
One thing which i'm awaiting with much anticipation is the ability to use yum and apt repositories. FINALLY .... that will make life several hundred times easier combined with up2date for day2day updates.
up2date has done this for a while now. In fact, latest rawhide pulls are done using yum.
I just think that fedora could do better !
We're working on it 8-) For FC1 it was kinda difficult for a lot of outside-Red-Hat folks to get involved with some aspects of the project. For FC2, hopefully we'll have the infrastructure in place to make external input happen a lot easier.
PS: Now that i've complained i've gotta do my part. Downloading as we speak to help with as much bug hunting (probably the only thing i can help with) before the final release :-)
Every little helps 8-)
Dave
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 12:42, Lasse Kim Christiansen wrote:
Neither firestarter nor guarddog is included ? I would think that intergrating some kind of personal firewalling thingy would be beneficial. The original tool included within redhat-config-packages does not seem to do that much. And monitoring like you can with watchdog would be great !
firestarter is in the fedora.us repository, which means that post merger completion it will most likely be in fedora-extras, if not fedora-core.
Phil
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:42:11 +0200, you wrote:
And yes i care about boot time since my laptops is moved around and is therefore booted several times a day. Why are Fedora not using the newer initscripts that can start services in parallel (hopefully making boots faster).
Mentioned previously on these lists that testing revealed booting typically took the same amount of time.
Gnome 2.4 in probably a big thing. But the file selector in KDE is one of the reasons why i have never used Gnome for more than a few hours (although i like the look-and-feel of gnome).
GTK+ issue, supposedly GTK+ 2.4 will fix this issue. http://www.gtk.org/plan/2.4/
Was there not something about Fedora being a "bleeding-edge" distribution ?
Give it time. The basic content of this release was set back in July when Red Hat started the change process to the new type of distribution. As things move forward and the process for people outside of Red Hat to contribute more directly becomes available then newer stuff will be included.
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