I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
On Sat October 29 2005 8:46 am, malcolm wrote:
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
I have the same issue, but my "angst ridden teenagers" are baby-boomers in their 50's. In the world we dwell in, the web video output of the entire organization is WM. People want to see the published work. WM archived files are no problem. Far as I know, there is no way to view live streaming WM - someone correct me if I'm wrong. Look at the archives of the past 24 hours for instrux to get WM working in Fedora - it will get you 90% of the way - you will be able to click on WM files on most webpages and play them. If it's live streaming though, it won't work. I haven't gotten WM to work yet under Wine, but, that has been done - I can't speak to whether that will get you the live streams. Someone who has gotten WM under Wine installed may speak up - I would be interested to know the answer.
malcolm wrote:
equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Hm the addictive quality of media has always bothered me. People will throw away a lot in order that they can get the music, movies and TV content they have come to believe that they want.
Mplayer and mplayerplug-in are one answer to your problem, it will play back most wmv and quicktime content. mplayerplug-in integrates mplayer into your Firefox webbrowser.
For FFC4, ATRPMS repo has mplayer. Give RPM their key
rpm --import http://ATrpms.net/RPM-GPG-KEY.atrpms
and paste this into /etc/yum.repos.d/atrpms.repo
[atrpms] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch - ATrpms baseurl=http://dl.atrpms.net/fc$releasever-$basearch/atrpms/stable enabled=1
Then
yum install mplayer
Grab the mplayerplug-in RPM here:
http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/download.php
-Andy
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 13:46 +0100, malcolm wrote:
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
You might want to contact fluendo and see if you can get their gstreamer plugins - maybe as a beta tester or something.
http://www.fluendo.com/products.php?product=plugins
-=- Otherwise - mplayer and mplayer-plugin
malcolm wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
Dual-boot? Lock down XP as much as possible to keep as single-purpose as possible, and put all the good stuff on Fedora?
"Bill" == Bill Perkins perk@iag.net writes:
Bill> Dual-boot? Lock down XP as much as possible to keep as Bill> single-purpose as possible, and put all the good stuff on Bill> Fedora?
Yes. And make sure you have to be able to logon to XP. And then when one of Malcolm's pupils wants to use the Windows Media Player, or whatever, then all (s)he has to do is come to Malcolm and ask for an id to logon to Windows. Fair enough? :-)
Colin Paul Adams wrote:
"Bill" == Bill Perkins perk@iag.net writes:
Bill> Dual-boot? Lock down XP as much as possible to keep as Bill> single-purpose as possible, and put all the good stuff on Bill> Fedora?
Yes. And make sure you have to be able to logon to XP. And then when one of Malcolm's pupils wants to use the Windows Media Player, or whatever, then all (s)he has to do is come to Malcolm and ask for an id to logon to Windows. Fair enough? :-)
Simpler than that. Convince Linksys, Netgear, or whomever made your firewall, to write a translating proxy that takes WMP content and converts it (on-the-fly) into MPEG (or Divix or AVC or ...). ;-)
-Philip
Hi
I don't know about 'live" but I can watch to streaming video news, streaming audio radio, wmv files, asx, asf and the likes, mpeg, mp3, basically everything I throw at it it can handle (xine), with the exception being windows encrypted media files. (DRM)
I did compile Xine myself and I downloaded the "essentials" package from the mplayer homepage. The essentials package contains all the required decoders for realplayer, windows media, and such. It does mean you are really going to the darks side because you are supposed to have a (windows) license to use these libraries.
As a last note, if some file you throw at Xine isn't working, open a console, and type xine --verbose=10 filename
Replace filename with the complete filename. Can be on your disk or can be an url. If Xine is missing a certain library it will mention it. You can then do a Google search to locate that library and put it in the /usr/lib/win32 directory and restart Xine.
With kind regards
Andy
On Saturday 29 October 2005 14:46, malcolm wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
The xine solution is the one that I use and works very well. If you are willing to use kde instead of gnome, konqueor and the kaffeine xine frontend can integrate very well together and provide a nice replacement for the Internet Explorer / Media Player integration.
However, my personal though, after working at a school where the paid top dollar for content blocking software just so that the students couldn't watch yahoo video's and the like, is that installing linux actually could have saved them even more money. Sounds to me like the linux lack of support for video may be, in many school districts, a solution, not a problem. Then just use a xine enabled linux box or windows box for the times when displaying a digital video is important in an educational way.
Josh
On Saturday 29 October 2005 8:41 am, Andy Pieters wrote:
Hi
I don't know about 'live" but I can watch to streaming video news, streaming audio radio, wmv files, asx, asf and the likes, mpeg, mp3, basically everything I throw at it it can handle (xine), with the exception being windows encrypted media files. (DRM)
I did compile Xine myself and I downloaded the "essentials" package from the mplayer homepage. The essentials package contains all the required decoders for realplayer, windows media, and such. It does mean you are really going to the darks side because you are supposed to have a (windows) license to use these libraries.
As a last note, if some file you throw at Xine isn't working, open a console, and type xine --verbose=10 filename
Replace filename with the complete filename. Can be on your disk or can be an url. If Xine is missing a certain library it will mention it. You can then do a Google search to locate that library and put it in the /usr/lib/win32 directory and restart Xine.
With kind regards
Andy
On Saturday 29 October 2005 14:46, malcolm wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
On Sat October 29 2005 9:41 am, Andy Pieters wrote:
Hi
I don't know about 'live" but I can watch to streaming video news, streaming audio radio, wmv files, asx, asf and the likes, mpeg, mp3, basically everything I throw at it it can handle (xine), with the exception being windows encrypted media files. (DRM)
Hello Andy: You got me to revisit this. I'd never personally tested my installation on a live stream. I'd only heard that it wouldn't work (I read it on an internet list, it must have been true ;-) The news feeds I know of, like CNN, are not live feeds, but little prepared spots - you can tell because they always play from the beginning to the end. But I went to vivalavoce.com which is a live streaming radio station and selected broadband WM, and it played - I'll have to find some live streaming WM video streams now, but, this is pretty hopeful. My recipe was pretty simple. I installed mplayer, mplayerplug-in, mplayer-gui, some skins, and the all-codecs package from the mplayer site. As I recall, I used Synaptic and the atrpms repo to install the software, and I downloaded the codecs directly from mplayer's site and unpacked them in /usr/lib/win32 - that's all there was to it. I've done this on multiple FC4 boxes and on half a dozen MEPIS Linux boxes now. MEPIS is a Debian derivative, and the Debian repos have those packages, as well. So, to the original poster, it looks like you get pretty full WM play functionality with a very simple install - once you've done it once, it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes per machine.
On Sat, Oct 29, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, Claude Jones wrote:
On Sat October 29 2005 9:41 am, Andy Pieters wrote:
Hi
I don't know about 'live" but I can watch to streaming video news, streaming audio radio, wmv files, asx, asf and the likes, mpeg, mp3, basically everything I throw at it it can handle (xine), with the exception being windows encrypted media files. (DRM)
Hello Andy: You got me to revisit this. I'd never personally tested my installation on a live stream. I'd only heard that it wouldn't work (I read it on an internet list, it must have been true ;-) The news feeds I know of, like CNN, are not live feeds, but little prepared spots - you can tell because they always play from the beginning to the end. But I went to vivalavoce.com which is a live streaming radio station and selected broadband WM, and it played - I'll have to find some live streaming WM video streams now, but, this is pretty hopeful. My recipe was pretty simple. I installed mplayer, mplayerplug-in, mplayer-gui, some skins, and the all-codecs package from the mplayer site. As I recall, I used Synaptic and the atrpms repo to install the software, and I downloaded the codecs directly from mplayer's site and unpacked them in /usr/lib/win32 -
What is interesting is that I can't see any of the CNN videos unless I put the codecs in /usr/local/lib/win32
that's all there was to it. I've done this on multiple FC4 boxes and on half a dozen MEPIS Linux boxes now. MEPIS is a Debian derivative, and the Debian repos have those packages, as well. So, to the original poster, it looks like you get pretty full WM play functionality with a very simple install - once you've done it once, it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes per machine.
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On Sunday 30 October 2005 09:26, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
On Sat, Oct 29, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, Claude Jones wrote:
On Sat October 29 2005 9:41 am, Andy Pieters wrote:
Hi
I don't know about 'live" but I can watch to streaming video news, streaming audio radio, wmv files, asx, asf and the likes, mpeg, mp3, basically everything I throw at it it can handle (xine), with the exception being windows encrypted media files. (DRM)
Hello Andy: You got me to revisit this. I'd never personally tested my installation on a live stream. I'd only heard that it wouldn't work (I read it on an internet list, it must have been true ;-) The news feeds I know of, like CNN, are not live feeds, but little prepared spots - you can tell because they always play from the beginning to the end. But I went to vivalavoce.com which is a live streaming radio station and selected broadband WM, and it played - I'll have to find some live streaming WM video streams now, but, this is pretty hopeful. My recipe was pretty simple. I installed mplayer, mplayerplug-in, mplayer-gui, some skins, and the all-codecs package from the mplayer site. As I recall, I used Synaptic and the atrpms repo to install the software, and I downloaded the codecs directly from mplayer's site and unpacked them in /usr/lib/win32 -
What is interesting is that I can't see any of the CNN videos unless I put the codecs in /usr/local/lib/win32
And here, firefox seems to be confused as to where these extra codecs & libraries belong. I have had to first, install them in a new /usr/lib/win32 directory in order to be able to play the .wvm files my children send me from time to time. And today, in checking this message to see if I could play the cnn stuff, it failed, reporting that it couldn't find /usr/local/lib/win32. So I've now made that directory, cd'd to it, and done an
lndir /usr/lib/win32 .
and cnn's weather is now playing. With an occasional very minor stutter.
But, FF goes away when I quit that window, and brings up its crash report form, doing this 100% of the time in 5 attempts now. Linux of course, kernel 2.6.14 final, latest FireFox 1.07.
I note that I've saved one .wmv file here, something my kids sent me and that I can play it, and quit it without incident. Only the cnn or possibly net based inputs crash it.
Anybody have a good site to double check this with?
that's all there was to it. I've done this on multiple FC4 boxes and on half a dozen MEPIS Linux boxes now. MEPIS is a Debian derivative, and the Debian repos have those packages, as well. So, to the original poster, it looks like you get pretty full WM play functionality with a very simple install - once you've done it once, it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes per machine.
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on 10/30/2005 10:01 AM Gene Heskett wrote:
But, FF goes away when I quit that window, and brings up its crash report form, doing this 100% of the time in 5 attempts now. Linux of course, kernel 2.6.14 final, latest FireFox 1.07.
I note that I've saved one .wmv file here, something my kids sent me and that I can play it, and quit it without incident. Only the cnn or possibly net based inputs crash it.
I also had similar issue. The solution seems to be that you have to stop the movie (using mplayer-plugin control buttons) before you close the ff window or toolbar. It works for me. Otherwise ff crashes. This is sort of workaround not the permanent solution, obviously that bug has to be fixed.
Anybody have a good site to double check this with?
On Sun October 30 2005 10:01 am, Gene Heskett wrote:
But, FF goes away when I quit that window, and brings up its crash report form, doing this 100% of the time in 5 attempts now. Linux of course, kernel 2.6.14 final, latest FireFox 1.07.
You're running, I guess, a rawhide kernel, and I'm running 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4: I'm running FF Deer Park and you're running FF 1.07: That being said, in earlier times, I used to get this problem; it was supposed to have been fixed by mplayer ver .85 - my current ver of mplayer is 4:1.0-46_pre7.2 Could you possibly be running an old version of mplayer? With the version I'm running and the config described, my FF never crashes on CNN video any more.
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 08:26 -0600, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
On Sat, Oct 29, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, Claude Jones wrote:
On Sat October 29 2005 9:41 am, Andy Pieters wrote:
Hi
I don't know about 'live" but I can watch to streaming video news, streaming audio radio, wmv files, asx, asf and the likes, mpeg, mp3, basically everything I throw at it it can handle (xine), with the exception being windows encrypted media files. (DRM)
Hello Andy: You got me to revisit this. I'd never personally tested my installation on a live stream. I'd only heard that it wouldn't work (I read it on an internet list, it must have been true ;-) The news feeds I know of, like CNN, are not live feeds, but little prepared spots - you can tell because they always play from the beginning to the end. But I went to vivalavoce.com which is a live streaming radio station and selected broadband WM, and it played - I'll have to find some live streaming WM video streams now, but, this is pretty hopeful. My recipe was pretty simple. I installed mplayer, mplayerplug-in, mplayer-gui, some skins, and the all-codecs package from the mplayer site. As I recall, I used Synaptic and the atrpms repo to install the software, and I downloaded the codecs directly from mplayer's site and unpacked them in /usr/lib/win32 -
What is interesting is that I can't see any of the CNN videos unless I put the codecs in /usr/local/lib/win32
Do you have mplayer installed in /usr/local or /usr? I suspect that you compiled mplayer and installed it in /usr/local. If so it will look for the libraries there as well.
that's all there was to it. I've done this on multiple FC4 boxes and on half a dozen MEPIS Linux boxes now. MEPIS is a Debian derivative, and the Debian repos have those packages, as well. So, to the original poster, it looks like you get pretty full WM play functionality with a very simple install - once you've done it once, it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes per machine.
Jeff Vian wrote:
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 08:26 -0600, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
On Sat, Oct 29, 2005 at 08:03:48PM -0400, Claude Jones wrote:
On Sat October 29 2005 9:41 am, Andy Pieters wrote:
Hi
I don't know about 'live" but I can watch to streaming video news, streaming audio radio, wmv files, asx, asf and the likes, mpeg, mp3, basically everything I throw at it it can handle (xine), with the exception being windows encrypted media files. (DRM)
Hello Andy: You got me to revisit this. I'd never personally tested my installation on a live stream. I'd only heard that it wouldn't work (I read it on an internet list, it must have been true ;-) The news feeds I know of, like CNN, are not live feeds, but little prepared spots - you can tell because they always play from the beginning to the end. But I went to vivalavoce.com which is a live streaming radio station and selected broadband WM, and it played - I'll have to find some live streaming WM video streams now, but, this is pretty hopeful. My recipe was pretty simple. I installed mplayer, mplayerplug-in, mplayer-gui, some skins, and the all-codecs package from the mplayer site. As I recall, I used Synaptic and the atrpms repo to install the software, and I downloaded the codecs directly from mplayer's site and unpacked them in /usr/lib/win32 -
What is interesting is that I can't see any of the CNN videos unless I put the codecs in /usr/local/lib/win32
Do you have mplayer installed in /usr/local or /usr? I suspect that you compiled mplayer and installed it in /usr/local. If so it will look for the libraries there as well.
According to the Mplayer readme at /usr/share/doc/mplayer-1.0/README
_______________________________
STEP2: Installing Binary Codecs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MPlayer and libavcodec have builtin support for the most common audio and video formats, but some formats require external codecs. Examples include Real, Indeo and QuickTime audio formats. Support for Windows Media formats except WMV9 exists but still has some bugs, your mileage may vary. This step is not mandatory, but recommended for getting MPlayer to play a broader range of formats. Please note that most codecs only work on Intel x86 compatible PCs.
Unpack the codecs archives and put the contents in a directory where MPlayer will find them. The default directory is /usr/local/lib/codecs/ (it used to be /usr/local/lib/win32 in the past, this also works) but you can change that to something else by using the '--with-codecsdir=DIR' option when you run './configure'.
Maybe the best fix would be to contact Mplayer.hu and ask that the tarballs and rpms be made to put the codecs in the right place?
Scott
that's all there was to it. I've done this on multiple FC4 boxes and on half a dozen MEPIS Linux boxes now. MEPIS is a Debian derivative, and the Debian repos have those packages, as well. So, to the original poster, it looks like you get pretty full WM play functionality with a very simple install - once you've done it once, it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes per machine.
On Sun October 30 2005 11:29 am, oldman wrote:
According to the Mplayer readme at /usr/share/doc/mplayer-1.0/README
STEP2: Installing Binary Codecs
MPlayer and libavcodec have builtin support for the most common audio and video formats, but some formats require external codecs. Examples include Real, Indeo and QuickTime audio formats. Support for Windows Media formats except WMV9 exists but still has some bugs, your mileage may vary. This step is not mandatory, but recommended for getting MPlayer to play a broader range of formats. Please note that most codecs only work on Intel x86 compatible PCs. Unpack the codecs archives and put the contents in a directory where MPlayer will find them. The default directory is /usr/local/lib/codecs/ (it used to be /usr/local/lib/win32 in the past, this also works)
I've read that readme a half dozen times. In my case, I never got mplayer to work using those instrux. Somewhere along the way, packages got produced that changed the directory structure, and the docs didn't get changed to reflect that. As I stated previously, I've used the mplayer fc4 rpms on many installations, and the Debian equivalents on many others, and have always placed the codecs in /usr/lib/win32 - at least for the packages I've been using, both CNN video and other AV works on all those installs. I've just rechecked the readme on my own installation - it has precisely the language you quote - but again, on my system, the named folder doesn't exist! My codecs are in /usr/lib/win32.
On Sun October 30 2005 9:26 am, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
My recipe was pretty simple. I installed mplayer, mplayerplug-in, mplayer-gui, some skins, and the all-codecs package from the mplayer site. As I recall, I used Synaptic and the atrpms repo to install the software, and I downloaded the codecs directly from mplayer's site and unpacked them in /usr/lib/win32 -
What is interesting is that I can't see any of the CNN videos unless I put the codecs in /usr/local/lib/win32
We must have acquired our packages from different sources. That folder doesn't even exist on my machine...
On 10/29/05, malcolm malcolm@interele.demon.co.uk wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
Have you contacted Yahoo about the issue? Mention to them that you have a school network with x number machines and y number students and you are unable to access their content. Mention to them the name of a competing service that you are able to watch, and give them the technical reason that their streams fail (proprietary software).
In other words, fix the problem, not the solution.
Dotan Cohen
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On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 13:46 +0100, malcolm wrote:
It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers.
Methinks that when it comes to vasts amount of money, and students are supposed to do what they're told to do, that the more things that reinforce that you have to do what you're told, because you can't do otherwise, the better.
Yes, I spent something like 12 years working in schools, and it's much better for the staff when the students buckle and accept that they're not there to do as they see fit. Conversely, the more students get their way, the more they expect that they can do that with everything. It undermines discipline.
There's swings and balances, and *some* things are optional for students. But, if as you've said, they're not supposed to be playing Yahoo music videos, then they've got to learn to accept that. It's a right pain for employers to have to break-in students, now, because the schools have failed to do that traditional role.
Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 13:46 +0100, malcolm wrote:
It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers.
Methinks that when it comes to vasts amount of money, and students are supposed to do what they're told to do, that the more things that reinforce that you have to do what you're told, because you can't do otherwise, the better.
Yes, I spent something like 12 years working in schools, and it's much better for the staff when the students buckle and accept that they're not there to do as they see fit. Conversely, the more students get their way, the more they expect that they can do that with everything. It undermines discipline.
There's swings and balances, and *some* things are optional for students. But, if as you've said, they're not supposed to be playing Yahoo music videos, then they've got to learn to accept that. It's a right pain for employers to have to break-in students, now, because the schools have failed to do that traditional role.
Heh heh... sounds about right; more reason to install Linux: you can keep _much_ better control over the student's systems, and you don't have to worry so much about spyware/adware/viruses/worms. To say nothing of the maintenance involved; with Fedora, you can keep the systems at the level _you_ want in terms of updates and packages.
On 10/29/05, Bill Perkins perk@iag.net wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 13:46 +0100, malcolm wrote:
It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers.
Methinks that when it comes to vasts amount of money, and students are supposed to do what they're told to do, that the more things that reinforce that you have to do what you're told, because you can't do otherwise, the better.
Yes, I spent something like 12 years working in schools, and it's much better for the staff when the students buckle and accept that they're not there to do as they see fit. Conversely, the more students get their way, the more they expect that they can do that with everything. It undermines discipline.
There's swings and balances, and *some* things are optional for students. But, if as you've said, they're not supposed to be playing Yahoo music videos, then they've got to learn to accept that. It's a right pain for employers to have to break-in students, now, because the schools have failed to do that traditional role.
Heh heh... sounds about right; more reason to install Linux: you can keep _much_ better control over the student's systems, and you don't have to worry so much about spyware/adware/viruses/worms. To say nothing of the maintenance involved; with Fedora, you can keep the systems at the level _you_ want in terms of updates and packages.
Problem is, thats going to make Linux-haters out of the students.
The students are going to find something else to waste their time on. Might as well let them waste it on something that will make them love Linux. Even better, if you can break the video downloads somehow in windows and let them use that for a week before you switch them over to linux. Then they will really love linux.
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On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 11:34, Dotan Cohen wrote:
It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers.
Heh heh... sounds about right; more reason to install Linux: you can keep _much_ better control over the student's systems, and you don't have to worry so much about spyware/adware/viruses/worms. To say nothing of the maintenance involved; with Fedora, you can keep the systems at the level _you_ want in terms of updates and packages.
Problem is, thats going to make Linux-haters out of the students.
The students are going to find something else to waste their time on. Might as well let them waste it on something that will make them love Linux. Even better, if you can break the video downloads somehow in windows and let them use that for a week before you switch them over to linux. Then they will really love linux.
Yes, you really should install firewalling or proxies if you want to control access to the internet so it is not dependent on the individual PCs or OS. In some places that is a requirement for students. If you are interested in using Linux in schools you should probably look at the k12ltsp project which is made from fedora or Centos and adds the ability to net-boot about any old PC as a thin client plus some additional software. Someone recently set up one of those google frappr maps for sites to register at http://www.frappr.com/k12ltsp so you can see some places that are using it. If you haven't seen these before you can click the links on the right to pop up the info balloon for any location or zoom and drag as usual for google maps.
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 18:34 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 10/29/05, Bill Perkins perk@iag.net wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 13:46 +0100, malcolm wrote:
Heh heh... sounds about right; more reason to install Linux: you can keep _much_ better control over the student's systems, and you don't have to worry so much about spyware/adware/viruses/worms. To say nothing of the maintenance involved; with Fedora, you can keep the systems at the level _you_ want in terms of updates and packages.
No kidding. Why is not being able to play yahoo vids a bad thing? ..sounds like a good thing as far as the school administration is concerned to me.
Problem is, thats going to make Linux-haters out of the students.
I doubt it...school haters maybe :)
Even still, you might show them it's possible first. Just disallowed by the rules. They might even learn how much control *nix admins have. Install mplayer or whatever needs to be installed on a few machines...just not student machines.
Why should the machines students use allow behavior the administration is trying to discourage? I certainly don't want my kid doing whatever she wants at school...she needs to learn to follow the rules. Especially when it's hard, or it's a rule she thinks is stupid or disagrees with. That's just life and a part of growing up...few of us can always do what we want...and school and work are two prime examples.
The students are going to find something else to waste their time on. Might as well let them waste it on something that will make them love Linux.
Yeah, set up a BZFLAG server and let the games begin!
Even better, if you can break the video downloads somehow in windows and let them use that for a week before you switch them over to linux. Then they will really love linux.
(nice touch, Dotan.)
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malcolm wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
If it is not allowed then you should support the policy and not allow it. That said, technically speaking:
You could use the new VMware Player and create a controlled XP instance that you copy to these FedoraCore systems. I've got the Linux VMware Player but I've only used the Windows version (to show people the benefits of FC4 on their work system). But it is really easy to use and might be technical solution.
However, I think the enforcement of policy is your real problem. If you not going to enforce it... Then why did you create the policy to begin with? To show the kids that they can pick and choose what policies suit them? That will be a big epiphany for them when they try that in the work place.
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I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
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Install MPlayer, grab all the codecs & install them and also install MPlayer plugin and voila you can watch Yahoo Movie Previews.
But you mention Yahoo Music Videos, that is another animal. I have the same problem too! I have tried to find a solution but usually firefox bails out. I told the students that the network firewal blocks the videos, but they caught me because they do play in windows. Hope someone can help you! I have even tried to fool Yahoo Music Video webpage by using "User Agent Switcher" in Interent Explorer mode, but firefox just bails off.
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On Sat October 29 2005 2:47 pm, Antonio Olivares wrote:
But you mention Yahoo Music Videos, that is another animal. I have the same problem too! I have tried to find a solution but usually firefox bails out. I told the students that the network firewal blocks the videos, but they caught me because they do play in windows. Hope someone can help you! I have even tried to fool Yahoo Music Video webpage by using "User Agent Switcher" in Interent Explorer mode, but firefox just bails off.
I checked this out, too, after my earlier discovery re: streaming video. I get an error saying: "To use this application with Netscape, you must use a 4.7x or 7.1 version." I happen to be running Deer Park. Oh well - the original poster is right, though. One can up with any number of reasons why WM is not important for a Linux box, but, to be a truly competitive desktop for the masses, this issue will have to be solved. For my case, being able to play streaming WM is not about entertainment, it's about work. This is not intended as a criticism or complaint - if I were a programmer I'd jump in and help that project.
Howdy,
Claude Jones wrote:
On Sat October 29 2005 2:47 pm, Antonio Olivares wrote:
But you mention Yahoo Music Videos, that is another animal. I have the same problem too! I have tried to find a solution but usually firefox bails out. I told the students that the network firewal blocks the videos, but they caught me because they do play in windows. Hope someone can help you! I have even tried to fool Yahoo Music Video webpage by using "User Agent Switcher" in Interent Explorer mode, but firefox just bails off.
I checked this out, too, after my earlier discovery re: streaming video. I get an error saying: "To use this application with Netscape, you must use a 4.7x or 7.1 version." I happen to be running Deer Park. Oh well - the original poster is right, though. One can up with any number of reasons why WM is not important for a Linux box, but, to be a truly competitive desktop for the masses, this issue will have to be solved. For my case, being able to play streaming WM is not about entertainment, it's about work. This is not intended as a criticism or complaint - if I were a programmer I'd jump in and help that project.
I'm running DeerPark also & got a little bit further with the "User Agent Switcher" extension. If set for IE6 XP, the player comes up but, no sound/video :-(
taharka
Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.
on 10/29/2005 08:57 PM taharka wrote:
I'm running DeerPark also & got a little bit further with the "User Agent Switcher" extension. If set for IE6 XP, the player comes up but, no sound/video :-(
I'm running ff 1.07 and I'm getting stuck on "checking your media player configuration".
Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.
heh... I'm in lexington too :)
oleksandr korneta wrote:
on 10/29/2005 08:57 PM taharka wrote:
I'm running DeerPark also & got a little bit further with the "User Agent Switcher" extension. If set for IE6 XP, the player comes up but, no sound/video :-(
I'm running ff 1.07 and I'm getting stuck on "checking your media player configuration".
That's the exact spot where I get stuck. Going to give up on it though. I'm also using the "no script" extension on FF & have to let java scripts through from a goo-gob of sites to get to that sticking point :( Ain't worth it for me!!
Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.
heh... I'm in lexington too :)
I take it you're a UK student?
taharka
Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.
On the subject of not being able to view media streams, is it possible that the port required to download and view said streams is being blocked by the internal Linux firewall?
On 10/29/05, malcolm malcolm@interele.demon.co.uk wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
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On the subject of not being able to view media streams, is it possible that the port required to download and view said streams is being blocked by the internal Linux firewall?
On 10/29/05, malcolm malcolm@interele.demon.co.uk wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
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On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 11:57:33AM -0500, mskinnym@aim.com wrote:
Maurie
Is it just me, or does this guy keep replying to messages without saying anything?
Sorry - it's actually AOL web mail that nobody can read without risking their machine to HTML mail. And of course, he really doesn't say anything and indeed may be fishing for working addresses. Ah well. AOL is its own punishment.
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On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 11:57:33AM -0500, mskinnym@aim.com wrote:
Maurie
Is it just me, or does this guy keep replying to messages without saying anything?
O,o... ... This topic is so hot! Xiao Shi
On 10/31/05, Claude Jones claude_jones@levitjames.com wrote:
On Sun October 30 2005 12:09 pm, Derek Martin wrote:
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 11:57:33AM -0500, mskinnym@aim.com wrote:
Maurie
Is it just me, or does this guy keep replying to messages without saying anything?
Not just you...
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On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 13:46 +0100, malcolm wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
mplayer and mplayer-plugin ... plays just about everything I have come across ...
M
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:29:13AM -0500, tlc wrote:
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 13:46 +0100, malcolm wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
mplayer and mplayer-plugin ... plays just about everything I have come across ...
Have you tried mp2 files.
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 08:28 -0600, akonstam@trinity.edu wrote:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:29:13AM -0500, tlc wrote:
On Sat, 2005-10-29 at 13:46 +0100, malcolm wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
mplayer and mplayer-plugin ... plays just about everything I have come across ...
Have you tried mp2 files.
does this mean I have to go get one to try it :)
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malcolm wrote:
I work in a school and we are thinking about Linux I put some test machines out - Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu The view of the students was Fedora was the best ..great so far Then we did the KDE v Gnome thing - Gnome won ... even better Then I asked the question - so what do you think of Linux ? 'It sucks ! ' was the almost universal response ( students aged 11 to 18 ) Why I asked .. It never falls over, XP dies all the time ... true they said OO is just like Office to use and doesn't munge up documents .. also true they said It will save the school £20000 per year, so why does it suck
Because we can't watch Yahoo music videos and that was it - Ok I did point out that they weren't suppose to be watching them at all really but that doesn't cut much ice with teenagers. So the problem is this - I am never going to get this off the ground if I don't have the support of the kids. Windows Media is my Linux killer - Codeweavers are OK but only support WMP 6.4 - I've never got gxine to work properly and the Linux version of Real Player won't do the 'universal player' trick that the Windows one does.
Even the most angst ridden teenager admitted that 99% of Linux was better than the Windows equivalent but not one of them wanted to use it simply because of the lack of Windows Media plugins
Help .... please !
M
If they are not supposed to be watching the videos on the school computers, then block them at the firewall as our business does. When they cannot watch them on Windows it won't make any difference.
Or set up a few computers in "non-work" areas that are locked down with XP on them. I would not use Libraries for the non-work computers.
The school is paying for the bandwidth and network usage so they set the rules.
As others have stated, get Yahoo to fix the problem.
Robin Laing schrieb:
Or set up a few computers in "non-work" areas that are locked down with XP on them. I would not use Libraries for the non-work computers.
Let the kids or their parents pay for VMWare-Workstation(s) and XP licenses for those boxes in non-work-areas.
Then they learn that Windows is not shipped for free (seems quite a lot of people think that Windows comes for free on OEM boxes), and VMWare-Workstations are easy for the administration. Just delete the Windows-folder once there is malware on it :-)
Markus
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 12:26, Markus Huber wrote:
Or set up a few computers in "non-work" areas that are locked down with XP on them. I would not use Libraries for the non-work computers.
Let the kids or their parents pay for VMWare-Workstation(s) and XP licenses for those boxes in non-work-areas.
Then they learn that Windows is not shipped for free (seems quite a lot of people think that Windows comes for free on OEM boxes), and VMWare-Workstations are easy for the administration. Just delete the Windows-folder once there is malware on it :-)
Note that you no longer need to pay for run-time VMware now that player is free. You do need a copy of Workstation to create the virtual machines in the first place but then they can be moved to other hosts and run under player. If the vm is created with the option, you can 'revert' it back to the original copy no matter what was done later.
By the way, the 'browser appliance' that you can download with vmplayer is really a basic ubuntu installation that starts firefox automatically. Has anyone built a similar install of fedora?
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