System doesn't shut down properly under Fedora-18

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

Recently installed F-18 system doesn't shut down properly.  The symptoms
are:

      * I click Shut Down, using KDE
      * System appears to stop normally: fan stops, screen goes blank,
        etc.  EXCEPT that the light around the power switch doesn't go
        completely dark; it continues to glow faintly blue.  I don't
        know what this means; no documentation.
      * The system won't restart till it is reset.  This can be done
        either by pressing Reset on the computer or by powering the
        system down and then powering it up.
      * When the system is restarted, a message from  systemd-fsck
        appears to indicate that the disk drives were not closed
        cleanly.  /var/log/boot.log is attached.

Apart from this, the system runs fine.

Motherboard is ASUS M3A78-EM with a 4-core CPU.

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 17:52 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:
>  > I attempted to take both Rick Stevens' and Tom Horsley's
> advice as
>  > follows:
>  >
>  >       1. Log off my KDE session using the GUI.
>  >       2. Open a console window using CTRL/ALT/F2
>  >       3. Log in as root
>  >       4. Enter shutdown -h now
>  >
>  > Result, exactly the same as before.  System appears to halt properly
>  > except for faint light around the start button, but can't be rebooted
>  > without being reset, messages from systemd-fsck in boot.log.
>  
>  I'm wondering if perhaps that's something from the BIOS causing that...
>  like "wake on LAN" or something. You might want to reboot the machine
>  and verify that the BIOS permits going to a full powerdown state as
>  opposed to some hibernation state. 
A good thought.  But I had no trouble with powering down till I
installed Fedora-18.  Sleep works fine now, as it always did. 

One change in BIOS settings: I disabled "Quick Boot", since I was having
trouble getting into the BIOS by pressing DEL during BIOS hardware test
A new keyboard, which plugs into a USB port was not being recognized by
the BIOS at test time; disabling "Quick Boot" slows down the boot
process and allows me to get into the BIOS reliably.  I'll try
re-enabling "Quick Boot" tomorrow to see if it makes any difference.

jon

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/06/2013 12:56 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan issued this missive:
>  On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 09:44 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > On 03/06/2013 09:35 AM, Tom Horsley issued this missive:
> >> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:15:36 -0800
> >> Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> >>
> >>>         * I click Shut Down, using KDE
> >>
> >> I've never been able to figure out what the heck
> >> the different GUI versions of shutdown actually do, they
> >> often seem broken for some reason. Try typing this
> >> in a terminal instead:
> >>
> >> sudo shutdown -h now
> >>
> >> If that doesn't shutdown, then there is a real
> >> shutdown problem, otherwise there is a KDE
> >> problem.
> >
> > The shutdown app in the various desktops should perform clean logouts
> > from the desktop first (e.g. save current layout, save current session,
> > etc.), then actually run the shutdown command. The one I have in XFCE
> > does the job fairly well.
>
>  I attempted to take both Rick Stevens' and Tom Horsley's advice as
>  follows:
>
>        1. Log off my KDE session using the GUI.
>        2. Open a console window using CTRL/ALT/F2
>        3. Log in as root
>        4. Enter shutdown -h now
>
>  Result, exactly the same as before.  System appears to halt properly
>  except for faint light around the start button, but can't be rebooted
>  without being reset, messages from systemd-fsck in boot.log. 
I'm wondering if perhaps that's something from the BIOS causing that...
like "wake on LAN" or something. You might want to reboot the machine
and verify that the BIOS permits going to a full powerdown state as
opposed to some hibernation state.
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[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 09:54 -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
>  With f18, my system sometimes gets hung on a dracut command prompt;
> I
>  didn't know what to do at first, but now I just type "poweroff" or
>  "reboot" and the system is fine.  
Thanks for the info, but I'm not sure it's relevant, since after the
apparently successful logout attempt, there is no shell prompt to enter
"poweroff", etc. into.

jon

[Jonathan Ryshpan]

On Wed, 2013-03-06 at 09:44 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote:
>  On 03/06/2013 09:35 AM, Tom Horsley issued this missive:
>  > On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:15:36 -0800
>  > Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>  >
>  >>        * I click Shut Down, using KDE
>  >
>  > I've never been able to figure out what the heck
>  > the different GUI versions of shutdown actually do, they
>  > often seem broken for some reason. Try typing this
>  > in a terminal instead:
>  >
>  > sudo shutdown -h now
>  >
>  > If that doesn't shutdown, then there is a real
>  > shutdown problem, otherwise there is a KDE
>  > problem.
>  
>  The shutdown app in the various desktops should perform clean logouts
>  from the desktop first (e.g. save current layout, save current session,
>  etc.), then actually run the shutdown command. The one I have in XFCE
>  does the job fairly well. 
I attempted to take both Rick Stevens' and Tom Horsley's advice as
follows:

     1. Log off my KDE session using the GUI.
     2. Open a console window using CTRL/ALT/F2
     3. Log in as root
     4. Enter shutdown -h now

Result, exactly the same as before.  System appears to halt properly
except for faint light around the start button, but can't be rebooted
without being reset, messages from systemd-fsck in boot.log.


Thanks - jon

[Tom Horsley]

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:15:36 -0800
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:

>        * I click Shut Down, using KDE 
I've never been able to figure out what the heck
the different GUI versions of shutdown actually do, they
often seem broken for some reason. Try typing this
in a terminal instead:

sudo shutdown -h now

If that doesn't shutdown, then there is a real
shutdown problem, otherwise there is a KDE
problem.

[Richard Vickery]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Rick Stevens <ricks(a)alldigital.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 03/06/2013 09:35 AM, Tom Horsley issued this missive:
>
>   On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:15:36 -0800
> > Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> >
> >         * I click Shut Down, using KDE
> >>
> >
> > I've never been able to figure out what the heck
> > the different GUI versions of shutdown actually do, they
> > often seem broken for some reason. Try typing this
> > in a terminal instead:
> >
> > sudo shutdown -h now
> >
> > If that doesn't shutdown, then there is a real
> > shutdown problem, otherwise there is a KDE
> > problem.
> >
>
>  The shutdown app in the various desktops should perform clean logouts
>  from the desktop first (e.g. save current layout, save current session,
>  etc.), then actually run the shutdown command. The one I have in XFCE
>  does the job fairly well.
>
>  On one machine, I do occasionally have issues with the window manager
>  not starting properly on a reboot but I suspect that's another issue.
>  That machine has been upgraded from F14 through F17 and there's still
>  cruft left over from those older OS versions. Methinks it sometimes gets
>  confused...much like its owner. :-)
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With f18, my system sometimes gets hung on a dracut command prompt; I
didn't know what to do at first, but now I just type "poweroff" or
"reboot"
and the system is fine.

Hope this helps

[Rick Stevens]

On 03/06/2013 09:35 AM, Tom Horsley issued this missive:
>  On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:15:36 -0800
>  Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
>
> >        * I click Shut Down, using KDE
>
>  I've never been able to figure out what the heck
>  the different GUI versions of shutdown actually do, they
>  often seem broken for some reason. Try typing this
>  in a terminal instead:
>
>  sudo shutdown -h now
>
>  If that doesn't shutdown, then there is a real
>  shutdown problem, otherwise there is a KDE
>  problem. 
The shutdown app in the various desktops should perform clean logouts
from the desktop first (e.g. save current layout, save current session,
etc.), then actually run the shutdown command. The one I have in XFCE
does the job fairly well.

On one machine, I do occasionally have issues with the window manager
not starting properly on a reboot but I suspect that's another issue.
That machine has been upgraded from F14 through F17 and there's still
cruft left over from those older OS versions. Methinks it sometimes gets
confused...much like its owner. :-)
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