Hi All,
Word Pro suddenly started printing all my #10 envelopes left landscape justified. (They are center landscape.)
I just spent two hours fighting with accursed Libre Office (LO) getting it to print properly. I basically had to tell it a bunch of lies about my paper. And waste a bunch of paper and envelopes
I CAN NOT AFFORD TO PLACE LO's DEVELOPERS ON MY PAYROLL !!!
The bug is years and years and years old and they IGNORED IT due to the lack of a payment.
I can create an Approach database for this, but I was hoping to switch to something that has not been abandoned for 20 years.
Anyone have a favorite #10 envelope printing program that IS NOT LIBRE OFFICE?
Many thanks, -T
On Sat, 2021-10-16 at 23:51 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I just spent two hours fighting with accursed Libre Office (LO) getting it to print properly. I basically had to tell it a bunch of lies about my paper. And waste a bunch of paper and envelopes
I've never really got that to work on any printer. There's a lot of assumptions about how it ought to be done. Most of us would feed an envelope thin end into the printer, so it's got more to grab on as it passes through, and want to print with rotated text. Who rotates it? The data sent to the printer, or the printer itself? Does the printer accept the actual size of the envelope, or do you pretend its A4 and just use one edge?
Businesses often take the easy approach: Buy windowed envelopes, and print the addresses on the letter so it shows through the window.
I kinda get the impression the easiest approach is a separate label printer, with a roll of sticky labels.
On 10/17/21 05:42, Tim via users wrote:
I kinda get the impression the easiest approach is a separate label printer, with a roll of sticky labels.
I still have my father's manual typewrite (from his college days in the 1950s) for this specific purpose.
On Sat, 2021-10-16 at 23:51 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I just spent two hours fighting with accursed Libre Office (LO) getting it to print properly. I basically had to tell it a bunch of lies about my paper. And waste a bunch of paper and envelopes
Another thought: Are you giving it the correct data, expecting it to work properly, or are you trying to force it into printing what you want by kludging things?
Back when I had an Amiga, I could do absolute printing. If I wanted a 2.4 by 3.7 cm box, 5.5 by 12 cm from the left corner, I could do that. Later on, printers and/or drivers seemed to think that my absolute dimensions related to the page should be applied relative to the printing margins, instead; and content shrunk down relatively, as well. It was one hell of an annoyance to try and get printouts to be what they were supposed to be.
It's not far removed from the tomfoolery of video displays with Linux. If I say put 12 point text on the screen, then put 12 point text on the screen. It knows the screen size, it knows the pixel count, it should put 12 point text on the screen, unscaled. It shouldn't make it bigger or smaller because it wrongly thinks 12 point text isn't an absolute type size, and wrongly thinks it should scale everything based on what it thinks about distance someone may be viewing the screen from, or other wrong thinking.
Tim via users writes:
Later on, printers and/or drivers seemed to think that my absolute dimensions related to the page should be applied relative to the printing margins, instead; and content shrunk down relatively, as well. It was one hell of an annoyance to try and get printouts to be what they were supposed to be.
Dunno what to say, except that I've been printing envelopes from OpenOffice/LibreOffice for decades, using the same .odt file. I've used several printers along the way. All of them had an adjustable manual feeder that centered the paper stock in the feed slot, and my envelope.odt has been unchanged for years. All it is, is a landscape-oriented page with two text areas, where they would be if a single, standard page gets printed in landscape format. And it just so happens to print exactly over the envelope, when it's centered over the page.
I never had OpenOffice/LibreOffice do anything other than that.
On 17/10/2021 20:14, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Tim via users writes:
Later on, printers and/or drivers seemed to think that my absolute dimensions related to the page should be applied relative to the printing margins, instead; and content shrunk down relatively, as well. It was one hell of an annoyance to try and get printouts to be what they were supposed to be.
Dunno what to say, except that I've been printing envelopes from OpenOffice/LibreOffice for decades, using the same .odt file. I've used several printers along the way. All of them had an adjustable manual feeder that centered the paper stock in the feed slot, and my envelope.odt has been unchanged for years. All it is, is a landscape-oriented page with two text areas, where they would be if a single, standard page gets printed in landscape format. And it just so happens to print exactly over the envelope, when it's centered over the page.
I never had OpenOffice/LibreOffice do anything other than that.
Pretty much the same here. Except my printer doesn't have the ability to center the paper.
I use 2 text boxes, pick the paper size closest to the envelope (Taiwan uses non-standard sizes), portrait mode, and I rotate the text boxes. Quite simple even though I don't print envelopes all that often.
-- On Facebook it is called Vaguebooking.
On 10/17/21 03:52, Tim via users wrote:
Another thought: Are you giving it the correct data, expecting it to work properly,
Tried setting it up with #10 center landscape. It prints two inches to the left putting all but one line of the recipients off the bottom of the envelope
or are you trying to force it into printing what you want by kludging things?
Did you miss the part about "I basically had to tell it a bunch of lies about my paper"?
I had to tell it the page was 4" inches fatter, then move everything up two inches and over 1.5 inches. And move the recipient 1 inch and the sender over 4 inches to the right.
I could just reuse the file as a templete, but what a bunch of bovine skat to go though just to print a stinkin' envelope.
I print about 10 to 15 envelopes a week. It is part of my business.
On Sat, 2021-10-16 at 23:51 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
Word Pro suddenly started printing all my #10 envelopes left landscape justified. (They are center landscape.)
I just spent two hours fighting with accursed Libre Office (LO) getting it to print properly. I basically had to tell it a bunch of lies about my paper. And waste a bunch of paper and envelopes
In the past I've used glabels to print sticky label sheets. That might be an option.
poc
On 10/16/21 23:51, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
Word Pro suddenly started printing all my #10 envelopes left landscape justified. (They are center landscape.)
I just spent two hours fighting with accursed Libre Office (LO) getting it to print properly. I basically had to tell it a bunch of lies about my paper. And waste a bunch of paper and envelopes
I CAN NOT AFFORD TO PLACE LO's DEVELOPERS ON MY PAYROLL !!!
The bug is years and years and years old and they IGNORED IT due to the lack of a payment.
I can create an Approach database for this, but I was hoping to switch to something that has not been abandoned for 20 years.
Anyone have a favorite #10 envelope printing program that IS NOT LIBRE OFFICE?
Many thanks, -T
So far I have not found a native Linux program for such. But I have found a Windows program whose "Lite" version runs perfectly under Wine:
http://www.datawaregames.com/html/Envelope-Printer.htm
And it is so ridiculously easy to use it takes your breath away.
I have an inquiry to the company about the difference between the paid and the free version. "Apparently" (watch the weasel word) the paid version will keep and address book for you of prior envelopes.
And it is really cheap. I don't mind paying for software if it is reasonable priced and it works right
On 18/10/2021 05:55, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
So far I have not found a native Linux program for such. But I have found a Windows program whose "Lite" version runs perfectly under Wine:
http://www.datawaregames.com/html/Envelope-Printer.htm
And it is so ridiculously easy to use it takes your breath away.
Well, since you have said previously that you have Windows licenses and you've talked setting up Windows VM's and since you find the Windows SW to be superior why don't you just print from a VM with Windows? Shouldn't be that much of a burden to print those 10~15 envelops/week. And, it seems to me, less of a headache for you.
-- On Facebook it is called Vaguebooking.
On 10/17/21 15:48, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 18/10/2021 05:55, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
So far I have not found a native Linux program for such. But I have found a Windows program whose "Lite" version runs perfectly under Wine:
http://www.datawaregames.com/html/Envelope-Printer.htm
And it is so ridiculously easy to use it takes your breath away.
Well, since you have said previously that you have Windows licenses and you've talked setting up Windows VM's and since you find the Windows SW to be superior why don't you just print from a VM with Windows? Shouldn't be that much of a burden to print those 10~15 envelops/week. And, it seems to me, less of a headache for you.
I only use programs in my Windows VM when I am forced to. I really do not care for Windows, although I do realize that I would not have a job if not for M$'s poor quality.
I would probably do more VM stuff if Red Hat would ever implement:
RFE: seamless apps / rootless windows https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/spice/spice/-/issues/15
Posted TEN YEARS AGO!
M$'s Parallels for Mac has this and it works really well. Most Mac users do even realize they are running a Windows program.
Take a look at http://www.datawaregames.com/html/Envelope-Printer.htm It is ridiculously easy to use and runs under Wine!
On 18/10/2021 06:59, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Take a look at http://www.datawaregames.com/html/Envelope-Printer.htm It is ridiculously easy to use and runs under Wine!
I'm not going to look at it as it doesn't interest me. I'm happy doing what I've been doing with no need to chase other methods.
So, if VM's aren't your thing then use wine. Or does that also have shortcomings for you?
On 10/17/21 16:10, Ed Greshko wrote:
So, if VM's aren't your thing then use wine. Or does that also have shortcomings for you?
I use Wine ALL-THE-TIME. I do my invoices in Word Pro. My company database and personal databases are in Approach
And Wine does have its short comings too as in it is still alpha code and they won't fix things for you if you don't put them on your payroll.
On 18/10/2021 08:02, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 10/17/21 16:10, Ed Greshko wrote:
So, if VM's aren't your thing then use wine. Or does that also have shortcomings for you?
I use Wine ALL-THE-TIME. I do my invoices in Word Pro. My company database and personal databases are in Approach
So, print your envelopes from wine then.
-- On Facebook it is called Vaguebooking.
On 10/17/21 17:15, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 18/10/2021 08:02, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 10/17/21 16:10, Ed Greshko wrote:
So, if VM's aren't your thing then use wine. Or does that also have shortcomings for you?
I use Wine ALL-THE-TIME. I do my invoices in Word Pro. My company database and personal databases are in Approach
So, print your envelopes from wine then.
Looks like I am going to have to. I can not find a native program to do it that is not LO
On 10/17/21 16:10, Ed Greshko wrote:
Take a look at http://www.datawaregames.com/html/Envelope-Printer.htm It is ridiculously easy to use and runs under Wine!
I'm not going to look at it as it doesn't interest me. I'm happy doing what I've been doing with
no need to chase other methods.
That was not why I recommended it. I though you would admire the interface it uses and its simplicity. It is a thing of beauty. Then remove it and do things the was you always did.
Do you program?
On 18/10/2021 08:53, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 10/17/21 16:10, Ed Greshko wrote:
Take a look at http://www.datawaregames.com/html/Envelope-Printer.htm It is ridiculously easy to use and runs under Wine!
I'm not going to look at it as it doesn't interest me. I'm happy doing what I've been doing with no need to chase other methods.
That was not why I recommended it. I though you would admire the interface it uses and its simplicity. It is a thing of beauty. Then remove it and do things the was you always did.
I have no interest to waste my time on something I will never use.
Do you program?
What does that matter?
-- On Facebook it is called Vaguebooking.
On 18/10/2021 11:06, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 10/17/21 19:57, Ed Greshko wrote:
Do you program?
What does that matter?
You might have a greater appreciation of other programmers' work than just a regular user would have
LOL
You're missing my point. It makes ZERO difference if I am a programmer or not. I don't waste my time looking at stuff that I have no intention on using. It matters not that it may be the next best thing to sliced bread in someones opinion.
I will install/remove stuff from the Fedora Repos that I don't/won't use while trying to duplicate issues someone is having. The exception being anything requiring wine. I have no interest/experience with wine and don't wish to install 2.1GB and the i686 stuff that it pulls in.
-- On Facebook it is called Vaguebooking.
On 10/17/21 14:55, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 10/16/21 23:51, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
Word Pro suddenly started printing all my #10 envelopes left landscape justified. (They are center landscape.)
I just spent two hours fighting with accursed Libre Office (LO) getting it to print properly. I basically had to tell it a bunch of lies about my paper. And waste a bunch of paper and envelopes
I CAN NOT AFFORD TO PLACE LO's DEVELOPERS ON MY PAYROLL !!!
The bug is years and years and years old and they IGNORED IT due to the lack of a payment.
I can create an Approach database for this, but I was hoping to switch to something that has not been abandoned for 20 years.
Anyone have a favorite #10 envelope printing program that IS NOT LIBRE OFFICE?
Many thanks, -T
So far I have not found a native Linux program for such. But I have found a Windows program whose "Lite" version runs perfectly under Wine:
http://www.datawaregames.com/html/Envelope-Printer.htm
And it is so ridiculously easy to use it takes your breath away.
I have an inquiry to the company about the difference between the paid and the free version. "Apparently" (watch the weasel word) the paid version will keep and address book for you of prior envelopes.
And it is really cheap. I don't mind paying for software if it is reasonable priced and it works right
I paid for the full version (20.00 U$D). It is sweet! And runs perfectly under Wine. Happy camping has returned.
Once upon a time, ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org said:
The bug is years and years and years old and they IGNORED IT due to the lack of a payment.
Open source software developers typically work on things that interest them or that somebody pays them to. If this is something important to your business (that presumably makes some money), then maybe it has some value to you to contract someone to fix it.
Otherwise, you are expecting someone to fix something that they don't use, and/or expecting people on the Internet to do free research for you to find an alternative. That's not really how the open source software world gets along.
My father and I wrote software to print envelopes from a CSV list back in the DOS days, and it was a PITA to get it consistently right (the same printer and envelopes seemed to change from month to month). I haven't printed an envelope in decades though, so I'd be in no position to help with this.
On 10/17/21 18:05, Chris Adams wrote:
Open source software developers typically work on things that interest them or that somebody pays them to. If this is something important to your business (that presumably makes some money), then maybe it has some value to you to contract someone to fix it.
Yes of course. They deserve to get paid for what they do. Unfortunately, I can not in my lifetime afford to pay them to fix things.
An idea would be to crowd source bugs.
On 10/17/21 18:05, Chris Adams wrote:
My father and I wrote software to print envelopes from a CSV list back in the DOS days, and it was a PITA to get it consistently right (the same printer and envelopes seemed to change from month to month). I haven't printed an envelope in decades though, so I'd be in no position to help with this.
And you could debug and go through every possible scenario of what could go wrong, then plop it in front of a user and 3 seconds later they eat your lunch!
Take a look at the free version of this. It runs under wine. You will be fascinated to see how far things have come along:
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