Dear friends,
With online instruction for large classes continuing into the near future, I am looking at writing tablets and wondering if any of these can be integrated into Fedora. My examples are from:
https://www.amazon.com/Mice-Keyboards-Computer-Add-Ons-Computers/b?node=1724...
I am not sure if these can do what I am hoping that they can, but I am thinking of something hooked to my machine that is essentially like an Elmo and can be "projected" via a share screen (using zoom) and recorded (using, say, simplescreenrecorder).
Do these things exist? Any suggestions? I do not want to give up my current machine, and buying an unnecessary tablet laptop because that would fragment my workspace (computer).
Many thanks and best wishes, Ranjan
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On 9/5/20 1:25 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Dear friends,
With online instruction for large classes continuing into the near future, I am looking at writing tablets and wondering if any of these can be integrated into Fedora. My examples are from:
https://www.amazon.com/Mice-Keyboards-Computer-Add-Ons-Computers/b?node=1724...
I am not sure if these can do what I am hoping that they can, but I am thinking of something hooked to my machine that is essentially like an Elmo and can be "projected" via a share screen (using zoom) and recorded (using, say, simplescreenrecorder).
Do these things exist? Any suggestions? I do not want to give up my current machine, and buying an unnecessary tablet laptop because that would fragment my workspace (computer).
I've found they generally all work out of the box. However, they are only an input device, so you need some program to do the actual drawing. Maybe something like xournal. You could make it full-screen and share the program output with zoom or a screen recorder.
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 17:26, Ranjan Maitra maitra@email.com wrote:
Dear friends,
With online instruction for large classes continuing into the near future, I am looking at writing tablets and wondering if any of these can be integrated into Fedora. My examples are from:
https://www.amazon.com/Mice-Keyboards-Computer-Add-Ons-Computers/b?node=1724...
I am not sure if these can do what I am hoping that they can, but I am thinking of something hooked to my machine that is essentially like an Elmo and can be "projected" via a share screen (using zoom) and recorded (using, say, simplescreenrecorder).
Do these things exist? Any suggestions? I do not want to give up my current machine, and buying an unnecessary tablet laptop because that would fragment my workspace (computer).
I have a large Wacom drawing board with a mouse and a stylus. It is good for tweaking artwork, but for live video it is no substitute for writing mathematics on a whiteboard.
You may find it better to point a camera at a whiteboard or pad of paper and use an erasable marker or Sharpie. Last I checked, (Fedora 31) the Wacom drivers didn't work with Wayland.
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 13:33:20 -0700 Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
On 9/5/20 1:25 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Dear friends,
With online instruction for large classes continuing into the near future, I am looking at writing tablets and wondering if any of these can be integrated into Fedora. My examples are from:
https://www.amazon.com/Mice-Keyboards-Computer-Add-Ons-Computers/b?node=1724...
I am not sure if these can do what I am hoping that they can, but I am thinking of something hooked to my machine that is essentially like an Elmo and can be "projected" via a share screen (using zoom) and recorded (using, say, simplescreenrecorder).
Do these things exist? Any suggestions? I do not want to give up my current machine, and buying an unnecessary tablet laptop because that would fragment my workspace (computer).
I've found they generally all work out of the box. However, they are only an input device, so you need some program to do the actual drawing. Maybe something like xournal. You could make it full-screen and share the program output with zoom or a screen recorder.
Thanks! I use xournalpp (successor to xournal). So, I am sorry: how does this work. It is plugged in through USB(?) or Bluetooth, and where does the xournalpp point to (connect to) or take its drawing area from? Sorry, I have been searching online for more information, but have so far drawn a blank (I am not very adept at DDG searching and that is generally true). Part of the issue is that calling it a writing tablet does not restrict the other searches about tablet laptops and generic tablets.
Many thanks again and best wishes, Ranjan
On 9/5/20 3:40 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Thanks! I use xournalpp (successor to xournal). So, I am sorry: how does this work. It is plugged in through USB(?) or Bluetooth, and where does the xournalpp point to (connect to) or take its drawing area from? Sorry, I have been searching online for more information, but have so far drawn a blank (I am not very adept at DDG searching and that is generally true). Part of the issue is that calling it a writing tablet does not restrict the other searches about tablet laptops and generic tablets.
In most cases, it just appears as another mouse. However, it is flagged as a tablet, so programs that can use that information, like xournalpp, can get pressure information or multitouch if they're available or other bits like that.
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:30:12 -0300 "George N. White III" gnwiii@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 17:26, Ranjan Maitra maitra@email.com wrote:
Dear friends,
With online instruction for large classes continuing into the near future, I am looking at writing tablets and wondering if any of these can be integrated into Fedora. My examples are from:
https://www.amazon.com/Mice-Keyboards-Computer-Add-Ons-Computers/b?node=1724...
I am not sure if these can do what I am hoping that they can, but I am thinking of something hooked to my machine that is essentially like an Elmo and can be "projected" via a share screen (using zoom) and recorded (using, say, simplescreenrecorder).
Do these things exist? Any suggestions? I do not want to give up my current machine, and buying an unnecessary tablet laptop because that would fragment my workspace (computer).
I have a large Wacom drawing board with a mouse and a stylus. It is good for tweaking artwork, but for live video it is no substitute for writing mathematics on a whiteboard.
You may find it better to point a camera at a whiteboard or pad of paper and use an erasable marker or Sharpie. Last I checked, (Fedora 31) the Wacom drivers didn't work with Wayland.
I see, thanks for this. Surprising that Wacom drivers don't work with Wayland. Wacom tablet seem to work fine for me all the way to Fedora 32. Perhaps I am not understanding your point.
Ranjan
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 15:47:56 -0700 Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
On 9/5/20 3:40 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Thanks! I use xournalpp (successor to xournal). So, I am sorry: how does this work. It is plugged in through USB(?) or Bluetooth, and where does the xournalpp point to (connect to) or take its drawing area from? Sorry, I have been searching online for more information, but have so far drawn a blank (I am not very adept at DDG searching and that is generally true). Part of the issue is that calling it a writing tablet does not restrict the other searches about tablet laptops and generic tablets.
In most cases, it just appears as another mouse. However, it is flagged as a tablet, so programs that can use that information, like xournalpp, can get pressure information or multitouch if they're available or other bits like that.
OK, this sounds like it will work. I hope that there are no more specifics with regard to the choice.
Ranjan
On 9/5/20 6:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:30:12 -0300 "George N. White III" gnwiii@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 17:26, Ranjan Maitra maitra@email.com wrote:
Dear friends,
With online instruction for large classes continuing into the near future, I am looking at writing tablets and wondering if any of these can be integrated into Fedora. My examples are from:
https://www.amazon.com/Mice-Keyboards-Computer-Add-Ons-Computers/b?node=1724...
I am not sure if these can do what I am hoping that they can, but I am thinking of something hooked to my machine that is essentially like an Elmo and can be "projected" via a share screen (using zoom) and recorded (using, say, simplescreenrecorder).
Do these things exist? Any suggestions? I do not want to give up my current machine, and buying an unnecessary tablet laptop because that would fragment my workspace (computer).
If the tablet is going to be used by a child for remote schooling, it must have stylus capability, for handwriting and drawing, as well as math, because the keyboard does not have things like square-root signs, etc. --doug
I have a large Wacom drawing board with a mouse and a stylus. It is good for tweaking artwork, but for live video it is no substitute for writing mathematics on a whiteboard.
You may find it better to point a camera at a whiteboard or pad of paper and use an erasable marker or Sharpie. Last I checked, (Fedora 31) the Wacom drivers didn't work with Wayland.
I see, thanks for this. Surprising that Wacom drivers don't work with Wayland. Wacom tablet seem to work fine for me all the way to Fedora 32. Perhaps I am not understanding your point.
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On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 19:59, Ranjan Maitra maitra@email.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:30:12 -0300 "George N. White III" gnwiii@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 17:26, Ranjan Maitra maitra@email.com wrote:
Dear friends,
With online instruction for large classes continuing into the near
future,
I am looking at writing tablets and wondering if any of these can be integrated into Fedora. My examples are from:
https://www.amazon.com/Mice-Keyboards-Computer-Add-Ons-Computers/b?node=1724...
I am not sure if these can do what I am hoping that they can, but I am thinking of something hooked to my machine that is essentially like an Elmo and can be "projected" via a share screen (using zoom) and
recorded
(using, say, simplescreenrecorder).
Do these things exist? Any suggestions? I do not want to give up my current machine, and buying an unnecessary tablet laptop because that
would
fragment my workspace (computer).
I have a large Wacom drawing board with a mouse and a stylus. It is good for tweaking artwork, but for live video it is no substitute for writing mathematics on a whiteboard.
You may find it better to point a camera at a whiteboard or pad of paper and use an erasable marker or Sharpie. Last I checked, (Fedora 31) the Wacom drivers didn't work with Wayland.
I see, thanks for this. Surprising that Wacom drivers don't work with Wayland. Wacom tablet seem to work fine for me all the way to Fedora 32. I think some Wacom devices can use generic support for touchpad and tablet devices.
Perhaps I am not understanding your point.
Upstream is https://github.com/linuxwacom/ https://github.com/linuxwacom/input-wacom. See https://github.com/linuxwacom/xf86-input-wacom/issues/101
The Professional Wacom has a "mouse" with a wheel and multiple buttons, the stylus has one button and is pressure sensitive. The generic support mentioned in the above issue wasn't usable with my tablet.
The Wacom consumer grade tablets (Bamboo) I have used had Windows and macOS drivers that added features, but generally worked well on Windows (until the next updates), macOS, and linux when used with generic USB pointing device drivers. I think there were Bamboo models that used a stylus (I retired from a job working with people who spent time on research vessels in the North Atlantic. Mice are not useful on ships at sea, so tablets and trackballs were needed when you couldn't use a laptop with a touchpad. Users suffering from RSI using mice discovered that tablets and trackballs were helpful even on land).
All the simpler pointing devices are fine when working with text, but become cumbersome when working on detailed drawings or even simple line graphs for use in presentations. If you wanted to illustrate a point with a simple graph it was far better to make a crude drawing on paper, scan it, trace it in inkscape to replace giggly hand-drawn lines with smooth curves, and paste in annotations generated with TeX. Clean looking text saves time in lectures when students ask "is that an 'a' or an 'alpha'?", so I imagine it is even more important for students using low res displays in a zoom meeting.
On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 15:47:56 -0700 Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
On 9/5/20 3:40 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Thanks! I use xournalpp (successor to xournal). So, I am sorry: how does this work. It is plugged in through USB(?) or Bluetooth, and where does the xournalpp point to (connect to) or take its drawing area from? Sorry, I have been searching online for more information, but have so far drawn a blank (I am not very adept at DDG searching and that is generally true). Part of the issue is that calling it a writing tablet does not restrict the other searches about tablet laptops and generic tablets.
In most cases, it just appears as another mouse. However, it is flagged as a tablet, so programs that can use that information, like xournalpp, can get pressure information or multitouch if they're available or other bits like that.
So, my tablet: https://www.amazon.com/10x6-25-Graphics-Battery-Free-Shortcut-Pressure/dp/B0... has arrived. It does work fairly out of the box, (and while made of plastic, appears to be of fairly decent quality) even though I can not tell what some of the buttons do. Thanks for everybody's help and suggestions.
But, there is something that i was wondering how to get around, and if someone had an answer. So, the entire screen of the tablet maps to the screen of the desktop (monitor). This is kind of irritating, for instance if the xournalpp is only half of the screen. Not only does it mean that the cursor of the mouse easily switches back to the extents of the screen, but it also severely reduces the area in which I can write. I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on how I can map the tablet to the area of the xournalpp window (that I also do not want to occupy the entire screen).
Any suggestions?
Many thanks and best wishes, Ranjan
On 9/13/20 9:01 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
But, there is something that i was wondering how to get around, and if someone had an answer. So, the entire screen of the tablet maps to the screen of the desktop (monitor). This is kind of irritating, for instance if the xournalpp is only half of the screen. Not only does it mean that the cursor of the mouse easily switches back to the extents of the screen, but it also severely reduces the area in which I can write. I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on how I can map the tablet to the area of the xournalpp window (that I also do not want to occupy the entire screen).
The display server is the one listening to the tablet and by default it maps it to a screen. I'm not sure what it does if there is more than one screen. I expect that if you want to map the tablet to the window of a specific application, it's up to that application to grab access to the tablet and manage it itself.
On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 22:27:31 -0700 Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net wrote:
On 9/13/20 9:01 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
But, there is something that i was wondering how to get around, and if someone had an answer. So, the entire screen of the tablet maps to the screen of the desktop (monitor). This is kind of irritating, for instance if the xournalpp is only half of the screen. Not only does it mean that the cursor of the mouse easily switches back to the extents of the screen, but it also severely reduces the area in which I can write. I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on how I can map the tablet to the area of the xournalpp window (that I also do not want to occupy the entire screen).
The display server is the one listening to the tablet and by default it maps it to a screen. I'm not sure what it does if there is more than one screen. I expect that if you want to map the tablet to the window of a specific application, it's up to that application to grab access to the tablet and manage it itself.
Hi,
Thanks, I have only one screen (and am happy to have a situation where it is restricted to one desktop). But I would like it to be restricted to one window (or rectangle, as is allowed in simplescreenrecorder for instance, but that is a different application).
I will see if xournalpp users/developers can provide some advice.
Many thanks, Ranjan
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