Chinese support

[gh]

Hi,

I am trying to install Chinese simplified support for a colleague in FC 1 but 
I have some issues.

I need an English desktop with occasional Chinese text input for kmail, OO 
etc.. Now my colleague has to change the "language" (system 
setttings-->language, with root password!!), logout and log back in.
- How can I avoid the language/user change?

I believe that the Chinese input program installed is XCin. The feedback that 
I get is that it is very slow and inefficient compared to the Windoze 
version.
- Has anybody seen/installed something better?

Some guidance would be appreciated.

gh

[Jingcao Hu]

I installed simsun font just as what I did for Redhat 9.0, and I use
chinput. And I did not feel any difference compared with my RH 9 experience.

gh  writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to install Chinese simplified support for a colleague in FC 1 but 
> I have some issues.
>
> I need an English desktop with occasional Chinese text input for kmail, OO 
> etc.. Now my colleague has to change the "language" (system 
> setttings-->language, with root password!!), logout and log back in.
> How can I avoid the language/user change?
>
> I believe that the Chinese input program installed is XCin. The feedback that 
> I get is that it is very slow and inefficient compared to the Windoze 
> version.
> Has anybody seen/installed something better?
>
> Some guidance would be appreciated.
>
> gh

[Chris Hewitt]

gh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to install Chinese simplified support for a colleague in FC 1 but 
> I have some issues.
>
> I need an English desktop with occasional Chinese text input for kmail, OO 
> etc.. Now my colleague has to change the "language" (system 
> setttings-->language, with root password!!), logout and log back in.
> How can I avoid the language/user change?

----------------snip-------------------------
If doing a graphical login (runlevel 5) then the login screen has 
options at the bottom, one of which is to select the language for this 
session.  I selected simplified Chinese and logged in.  Does this help?

Chris

[gh]

On Friday 21 November 2003 01:09, Jingcao Hu wrote:
> I installed simsun font just as what I did for Redhat 9.0, and I use
> chinput. And I did not feel any difference compared with my RH 9
> experience.

Thanks for taking the time to answer and read this busy list but my questions 
still stand. (miniChinput is what FC1 is using, but it seems to be very 
innefficient)

gh
> > I need an English desktop with occasional Chinese text input for kmail,
> > OO etc.. Now my colleague has to change the "language" (system
> > setttings-->language, with root password!!), logout and log back in.
> > How can I avoid the language/user change?
> >
> > I believe that the Chinese input program installed is XCin. The feedback
> > that I get is that it is very slow and inefficient compared to the
> > Windoze version.
> > Has anybody seen/installed something better?
> >
> > Some guidance would be appreciated.
> >
> > gh

[gh]

On Friday 21 November 2003 03:57, Chris Hewitt wrote:
> gh wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am trying to install Chinese simplified support for a colleague in FC 1
> > but I have some issues.
> >
> > I need an English desktop with occasional Chinese text input for kmail, OO
> > etc.. Now my colleague has to change the "language" (system
> > setttings-->language, with root password!!), logout and log back in.
> > How can I avoid the language/user change?
>
> ----------------snip-------------------------
> If doing a graphical login (runlevel 5) then the login screen has
> options at the bottom, one of which is to select the language for this
> session.  I selected simplified Chinese and logged in.  Does this help?
>
> Chris

It does help a bit. Thank you.
But the user still needs go "all Chinese" or " "all English" and I am trying 
to avoid that.

Also, like I posted recently, miniChinput does not seem to very efficient have 
you tried something different (SCIM or  XSIM or fcitx)?

gh

[Jingcao Hu]

gh  writes:
> On Friday 21 November 2003 01:09, Jingcao Hu wrote:
> > I installed simsun font just as what I did for Redhat 9.0, and I use
> > chinput. And I did not feel any difference compared with my RH 9
> > experience.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to answer and read this busy list but my questions 
> still stand. (miniChinput is what FC1 is using, but it seems to be very 
> innefficient)

I see. guess what you mean by "inefficient" is that it's not smart enough. I
totally agree. But all I need is to use that to write to my mum once a day,
that's not a serious problem for me. If you know other better solution,
please let me know so that I can give it a try.

thanks.

[David Sungmin Joo]

Probably for the frist part.

Why don't you have .i18n file under your home directory with

LANG="zh_CN.GB18030"

In that way, if you want to use chinese settings you can log into 
different person and use it and when your colleges need to use it, they 
can login as different person.

To do this also, your global setting should be en_US.UTF-8 for others to 
use.

Regards,

David Joo

gh wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to install Chinese simplified support for a colleague in FC 1 but 
> I have some issues.
>
> I need an English desktop with occasional Chinese text input for kmail, OO 
> etc.. Now my colleague has to change the "language" (system 
> setttings-->language, with root password!!), logout and log back in.
> How can I avoid the language/user change?
>
> I believe that the Chinese input program installed is XCin. The feedback that 
> I get is that it is very slow and inefficient compared to the Windoze 
> version.
> Has anybody seen/installed something better?
>
> Some guidance would be appreciated.
>
> gh
>
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[gh]

<snip>
> > I am trying to install Chinese simplified support for a colleague in FC 1
> > but I have some issues.
> >
> > I need an English desktop with occasional Chinese text input for kmail, OO
> > etc.. Now my colleague has to change the "language" (system
> > setttings-->language, with root password!!), logout and log back in.
> > How can I avoid the language/user change?
> >
> > I believe that the Chinese input program installed is XCin. The feedback
> > that I get is that it is very slow and inefficient compared to the
> > Windoze version.
> > Has anybody seen/installed something better?

For anyone following this thread:

A "partial" fix to the first issue above:

create a .i18n file in your home directory:

LC_CTYPE="zh_CN.GB18030"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8"

log in with the language set in Chinese and your should have an English 
desktop with Chinese support.
It is not perfect (fonts are horrible and chinput (CTRL+Space) has to be 
started and stopped before you open each app.) but it works.

For the sencond issue I have not tried the other input methods yet (SCIM or 
fcitx).

gh

[Gordon Messmer]

gh wrote:
> <snip>
> > > I need an English desktop with occasional Chinese text input for kmail, OO
> > > etc.. Now my colleague has to change the "language" (system
> > > setttings-->language, with root password!!), logout and log back in.
> > > How can I avoid the language/user change?

...
> A "partial" fix to the first issue above:
>
> create a .i18n file in your home directory:

...
> It is not perfect (fonts are horrible and chinput (CTRL+Space) has to be 
> started and stopped before you open each app.) but it works.

I normally avoid the .i18n file entirely, leave the language support at 
English (since that's what should be the default), and create icons for 
the applications I need in Japanese (should be able to do the same with 
Chinese) that launch like this:

env XMODIFIERS="@im=kinput2" LANG=ja_JP.eucJP gedit

This way, the xinput (kinput2) program runs all the time, and only 
applications which I've specifically set up an icon for will use it.  If 
you set up an icon for a terminal, you can use that to start other 
Chinese locale applications.

[Shi-Ming Chen]

Gordon Messmer wrote:
> I normally avoid the .i18n file entirely, leave the language support 
> at English (since that's what should be the default), and create icons 
> for the applications I need in Japanese (should be able to do the same 
> with Chinese) that launch like this:
>
> env XMODIFIERS="@im=kinput2" LANG=ja_JP.eucJP gedit
>
> This way, the xinput (kinput2) program runs all the time, and only 
> applications which I've specifically set up an icon for will use it.  
> If you set up an icon for a terminal, you can use that to start other 
> Chinese locale applications.

This is what I want. But how to let the xinput (kinput2) program "runs 
all the time"?
In my situation, I use xcin to input with traditional chinese, and I 
think the solution is the same with xinput or kinput2. I started gedit 
with LANG corectly, but I could not type words except English in it 
(that is, no xcin).

Can you explan the method more detail?
Thank a lot.