Is it possible to run X with no KDE software installed? If yes, how would the KDE software be deleted? (And how would it be restored if I changed my mind?)
Thanks.
On Tuesday 30 December 2008 00:21:17 Dave Feustel wrote:
Is it possible to run X with no KDE software installed? If yes, how would the KDE software be deleted? (And how would it be restored if I changed my mind?)
Thanks.
Of course, KDE is just one of the many DE(Desktop Environment) available. The other most common one is GNOME. You are free to choose whichever one you like!
If you want to remove KDE completely, you can do:
su -c 'yum groupremove kde-desktop'
and if you want to install it back:
su -c 'yum groupinstall kde-desktop'
But beware, when you remove it, there are some other things that might get removed like (I think) NetworkManager!
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:21:17 -0500 Dave Feustel wrote:
Is it possible to run X with no KDE software installed? If yes, how would the KDE software be deleted? (And how would it be restored if I changed my mind?)
Probably, but unless you are trying to reduce the amount of junk you need to download updates for, you can just not run KDE without having to actually remove it.
The simplest way to get a bare-bones desktop going is to "yum install xorg-x11-xinit-session". That will give you the "user defined script" login option in gdm and you can run exactly what you want to run by putting whatever you want in your own ~/.xsession script.
On Monday, Dec 29th 2008 at 23:21 -0000, quoth Dave Feustel:
=>Is it possible to run X with no KDE software installed? =>If yes, how would the KDE software be deleted? =>(And how would it be restored if I changed my mind?)
Sure! A quick look at things in the Everything directory that have the magic letter "wm" in them shows twm, fvwm, icewm, pekwm, wmx and after that I'm sure there are more that don't have wm in theiur names ;-)
You're welcome to delete as many packages as you like and then reinstall them later on, but first a few basic questions need to be asked:
Why are you deleting them? Is it to see how much space you can save? How many packages you can delete? Your better bet would be to use rpm to answer the questions about dependancies to first get an idea of what you're trying to do.
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:46:38AM -0500, Steven W. Orr wrote:
On Monday, Dec 29th 2008 at 23:21 -0000, quoth Dave Feustel:
=>Is it possible to run X with no KDE software installed? =>If yes, how would the KDE software be deleted? =>(And how would it be restored if I changed my mind?)
Sure! A quick look at things in the Everything directory that have the magic letter "wm" in them shows twm, fvwm, icewm, pekwm, wmx and after that I'm sure there are more that don't have wm in theiur names ;-)
You're welcome to delete as many packages as you like and then reinstall them later on, but first a few basic questions need to be asked:
Why are you deleting them?
I'm doing an experiment to see if removing KDE files reduces the number of incidences of apparent security exploits ocurring on my system.
Is it to see how much space you can save? How many packages you can delete? Your better bet would be to use rpm to answer the questions about dependancies to first get an idea of what you're trying to do.
What's a good place to read up on how RPM works?
Dave Feustel wrote:
I'm doing an experiment to see if removing KDE files reduces the number of incidences of apparent security exploits ocurring on my system.
FWIW, if you are having successful attacks against your system it may be your configuration rather than a specific specific set of packages. Besides, you should identify the actual exploit that occurred and determine the point of entry.
Have you identified the actual exploit? How will you know if you have actually found the issue and corrected it? What if you delete files/applications and the attacker stops attacking? Have you actually fixed anything? If the attack is coming over the network, have you captured indications with a packet capture?
With little information that you've supplied some may think you are jumping the gun.
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 06:59:41AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Dave Feustel wrote:
I'm doing an experiment to see if removing KDE files reduces the number of incidences of apparent security exploits ocurring on my system.
FWIW, if you are having successful attacks against your system it may be your configuration rather than a specific specific set of packages. Besides, you should identify the actual exploit that occurred and determine the point of entry.
Have you identified the actual exploit? How will you know if you have actually found the issue and corrected it? What if you delete files/applications and the attacker stops attacking? Have you actually fixed anything? If the attack is coming over the network, have you captured indications with a packet capture?
You are asking a lot of good questions. The answer to the last question is no.
With little information that you've supplied some may think you are jumping the gun.
They are welcome to think what they want.
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