F37 in Beta?

[Bill Cunningham]

I noticed that the "beta" label was taken off of the latest fedora 37 
release. I use rufus to create a fedora server net install and usually I 
can create an ISO with it and all is fine. But it seems, when in beta, I 
have to use 'dd' version to copy bit for bit to the USB to repair or net 
install. That seems to be what I am having to do. I use 'fdisk /dev/sdb' 
too and the contents say EFI partition names and GPT, my machine is an 
old MBR.

     Now all of this is really no big deal, but it all seems to be with 
something still in beta. Is this true or my imagination? The grub gui is 
different too than it is with a regular release stage. If I am right and 
this is beta stuff? Is F37 then, still in beta? I usually wait until 
after beta but I will use it anyway.

Bill

[Samuel Sieb]

On 11/19/22 19:38, Bill Cunningham wrote:
>  I noticed that the "beta" label was taken off of the latest
> fedora 37 
>  release. I use rufus to create a fedora server net install and usually I 
>  can create an ISO with it and all is fine. But it seems, when in beta, I 
>  have to use 'dd' version to copy bit for bit to the USB to repair or net 
>  install. That seems to be what I am having to do. I use 'fdisk /dev/sdb' 
>  too and the contents say EFI partition names and GPT, my machine is an 
>  old MBR.
>  
>       Now all of this is really no big deal, but it all seems to be with 
>  something still in beta. Is this true or my imagination? The grub gui is 
>  different too than it is with a regular release stage. If I am right and 
>  this is beta stuff? Is F37 then, still in beta? I usually wait until 
>  after beta but I will use it anyway. 
Previously it wasn't GRUB that was used for booting BIOS installs.  Now 
it is.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BIOSBootISOWithGrub2

Also, this might be relevant:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GPTforBIOSbyDefault

[Bill Cunningham]

On 11/19/2022 10:47 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>  On 11/19/22 19:38, Bill Cunningham wrote: 
>  Previously it wasn't GRUB that was used for booting BIOS
> installs.  
>  Now it is.
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BIOSBootISOWithGrub2
>
>  Also, this might be relevant:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GPTforBIOSbyDefault
>  
OK thanks. Then I will simply use dd and boot from that with the 
netinstall. That's what I normally use. The fdisk complains about 
something being off, probably the way it reads the data and I simply 
write it to disk again and that seems to get rid of the error. 
Everything seems to work there.

B

[Jonathan Billings]

>  On Nov 19, 2022, at 22:38, Bill Cunningham
> <bill.cu1234(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  I noticed that the "beta" label was taken off of the latest fedora 37 release.
> I use rufus to create a fedora server net install and usually I can create an ISO with it
> and all is fine. But it seems, when in beta, I have to use 'dd' version to copy
> bit for bit to the USB to repair or net install. That seems to be what I am having to do.
> I use 'fdisk /dev/sdb' too and the contents say EFI partition names and GPT, my
> machine is an old MBR. 
You will always need to use dd mode with Rufus for Fedora images, because they are Hybrid
ISOs and the Rufus developer really doesn’t like them and refuses to auto detect them:

https://github.com/pbatard/rufus/wiki/FAQ#Why_doesnt_Rufus_recommend_DD_m...

>      Now all of this is really no big deal, but it all seems to be
> with something still in beta. Is this true or my imagination? The grub gui is different
> too than it is with a regular release stage. If I am right and this is beta stuff? Is F37
> then, still in beta? I usually wait until after beta but I will use it anyway. 
Fedora 37 is no longer beta, it was released last week. 

As others have said, in this release, even the legacy non EFI boot use GRUB. Previously
only EFI boot systems got GRUB, legacy boot used isolinux. 

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Jonathan Billings