I usually use the net installer, but it's possible that I used the Workstation live to install F34 on this system. I noticed Thunderbird seemed to be a bit strange, not integrated well. For example, I couldn't open pdf files normally. I couldn't pick the pdf viewer, only an option to use the default system opener or save the file. I discovered what had happened when I tried to update it and dnf said it wasn't installed. It took a while, but eventually I figured out that it was a flatpack. I would never intentionally install a flatpack, particularly when there's a perfectly good rpm available.
So my question is, how did Thunderbird get installed as a flatpack? Is that the default for the workstation install now?
When I opened Gnome Software, it gave me the initial welcome dialog, so I didn't use that to install it. I did use that to remove the flatpack and I could see that it would be very easy to accidentally install the flatpack version instead of the rpm one.
On 12/10/2021 09:53, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I usually use the net installer, but it's possible that I used the Workstation live to install F34 on this system. I noticed Thunderbird seemed to be a bit strange, not integrated well. For example, I couldn't open pdf files normally. I couldn't pick the pdf viewer, only an option to use the default system opener or save the file. I discovered what had happened when I tried to update it and dnf said it wasn't installed. It took a while, but eventually I figured out that it was a flatpack. I would never intentionally install a flatpack, particularly when there's a perfectly good rpm available.
So my question is, how did Thunderbird get installed as a flatpack? Is that the default for the workstation install now?
When I opened Gnome Software, it gave me the initial welcome dialog, so I didn't use that to install it. I did use that to remove the flatpack and I could see that it would be very easy to accidentally install the flatpack version instead of the rpm one.
Not sure if this is a valid data point. I installed F35 Workstation from the Live Beta Image. There was no thunderbird installed. If I click on Activities and type thunderbird it shows up in "Software" and I suppose if I click on it it would get installed. From where? I can't tell.
Also, my F34 Workstation has no thunderbird, but I can;t recall how I installed it.
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On 10/12/21 00:38, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 12/10/2021 09:53, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I usually use the net installer, but it's possible that I used the Workstation live to install F34 on this system. I noticed Thunderbird seemed to be a bit strange, not integrated well. For example, I couldn't open pdf files normally. I couldn't pick the pdf viewer, only an option to use the default system opener or save the file. I discovered what had happened when I tried to update it and dnf said it wasn't installed. It took a while, but eventually I figured out that it was a flatpack. I would never intentionally install a flatpack, particularly when there's a perfectly good rpm available.
So my question is, how did Thunderbird get installed as a flatpack? Is that the default for the workstation install now?
When I opened Gnome Software, it gave me the initial welcome dialog, so I didn't use that to install it. I did use that to remove the flatpack and I could see that it would be very easy to accidentally install the flatpack version instead of the rpm one.
Not sure if this is a valid data point. I installed F35 Workstation from the Live Beta Image. There was no thunderbird installed. If I click on Activities and type thunderbird it shows up in "Software" and I suppose if I click on it it would get installed. From where? I can't tell.
Now that you mention it, I do have a vague recollection that I might have done that. I would certainly hope that it doesn't default to the flatpack, but that might be possible.
On 12/10/2021 15:38, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 12/10/2021 09:53, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I usually use the net installer, but it's possible that I used the Workstation live to install F34 on this system. I noticed Thunderbird seemed to be a bit strange, not integrated well. For example, I couldn't open pdf files normally. I couldn't pick the pdf viewer, only an option to use the default system opener or save the file. I discovered what had happened when I tried to update it and dnf said it wasn't installed. It took a while, but eventually I figured out that it was a flatpack. I would never intentionally install a flatpack, particularly when there's a perfectly good rpm available.
So my question is, how did Thunderbird get installed as a flatpack? Is that the default for the workstation install now?
When I opened Gnome Software, it gave me the initial welcome dialog, so I didn't use that to install it. I did use that to remove the flatpack and I could see that it would be very easy to accidentally install the flatpack version instead of the rpm one.
Not sure if this is a valid data point. I installed F35 Workstation from the Live Beta Image. There was no thunderbird installed. If I click on Activities and type thunderbird it shows up in "Software" and I suppose if I click on it it would get installed. From where? I can't tell.
Also, my F34 Workstation has no thunderbird, but I can;t recall how I installed it.
Oh, I went a bit further.
I clicked on "Software" and there are 2 entries for thunderbird .
One says "Source: registry.fedoraproject.org" the other "Source: fedoraproject.org"
One has a 4-star rating the other a 3-star rating.
I'm guessing one is from the repo and the other a flatpack. Based on you comments, 3-star is probably the flatpak.
-- On Facebook it is called Vaguebooking.
On 2021-10-12 00:51, Ed Greshko wrote:
Oh, I went a bit further.
I clicked on "Software" and there are 2 entries for thunderbird .
One says "Source: registry.fedoraproject.org" the other "Source: fedoraproject.org"
One has a 4-star rating the other a 3-star rating.
I'm guessing one is from the repo and the other a flatpack. Based on you comments, 3-star is probably the flatpak.
Yes. I didn't give the specifics, but that was why I said it would be very easy to accidentally install the flatpak instead of the rpm.
Hi,
I think it's a bug, so I filed one. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2015569
-- Chris Murphy
On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 10:30 AM Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
Hi,
I think it's a bug, so I filed one. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2015569
Yep. So the bug is that the RPM and flatpak versions use different ID's for the same application, therefore Software lists them in search results as separate apps. There should be only one result for Thunderbird and Firefox. And then there's a drop down menu on the upper right side that let's you choose whether to install RPM or flatpak and if flatpak from which source because it could be from flathub.org or fedoraproject.org. I think any confusion in this area is at least suspicious of a bug (or suboptimal UI/UX). So I recommend constructive criticism with bug reporting for this. My understanding is the intent is to favor RPM on conventional desktop edition/spins. And to favor flatpak on rpm-ostree spins (Silverblue, Kinoite).
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