Announcing Fedora 7 Test 3 (6.92)

[Jeremy Katz]

Welcome to Fedora 7 Test 3.

I am please to announce the third of four test releases for Fedora 7.

Downloads
========
DVD and network installation are available.

http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/
The recommended method of download is via BitTorrent from this site.

http://fedora.redhat.com/Download/mirrors.html
HTTP, FTP, and RSYNC downloads are available from Fedora Project mirrors
listed above.  Note that not all mirrors may be synced at this time.

New in Fedora 7 Test 3
========
This test release includes significant new versions of many key components and 
technologies. The following sections provide a brief overview of major 
changes from the last release of Fedora.

Merger of Core and Extras
========
    * The Fedora Core and Extras software repositories are being merged, 
resulting in a shared infrastructure and a single repository of packages to 
which everyone is invited to contribute.

* Fedora 7 Test 3 is packaged initially as a Desktop/Development 
Workstation/Server implementation, called "Prime".  This spin is delivered in 
DVD iso format only as a trial, see 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg00993.htm... 
for the discussion on this.

* Many more packages are available in the development repositories.

Live CD
========
    * This test release includes an i386 ISO for a Desktop Live CD. This Live 
CD features the ability to install to a hard disk using the same graphical 
Anaconda installer as the non-live CD variant.

* This test release also includes an x86_64 ISO for a Desktop Live
image.  Due to size, this will require a DVD.  As with the i386 Live
image, the ability to install to a hard disk is available.

* This test release features a new i386 ISO for a KDE Live CD.  Note
that as of this writing, this ISO is only available via bittorrent.  It
should be available via the mirrors in the near future.

Desktop
========
    * This test release features GNOME 2.18

* A brand new Echo icon theme is included as the default in this release. 
This icon theme is incomplete, but with appropriate feedback and progress, 
may become the default in the general release.

* Fast User Switching is now available via the fast-user-switch-applet. 
See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFastUserSwitching for more 
details.

Performance
========
    * System performance is generally slower in the test releases as compared 
to the general release since we enable several options that help with 
debugging.

System Administration
========
    * System administration tools may be modified under the testing process.

System Level Changes
========
    * Fedora 7 Test 3 features a 2.6.21rc5 based kernel. Current release 
information is being tracked on the kernel release notes source page. 
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Kernel)

Amanda

Users who upgrade from older releases need to read the amanda.conf and 
amanda-client.conf man pages to learn about the the new syntax for calling 
amandad, as well as edit the /etc/xinetd.d/amanda configuration file to 
follow the new syntax.

Road Map And Release Schedule
========
    * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/

Intended Audience for Test Releases
========
Test 1 is targeted for developers, who use it "at their own risk", and 
contains many bleeding edge packages.

Test 2 is for early adopters. Most things should work and we need to your help 
to find what is broken.

Test 3 is for early adopters. Most things should work and we need to your help 
to find what is broken.

Test 4 is for beta users. This is the time when we must have full community 
participation. Without this participation both hardware and software 
functionality suffers.

Quality Assurance for Test Releases
========
The Fedora Project has a process in place for ensuring the highest possible 
quality even in our test releases. Many bugs are identified, prioritized and 
fixed during the testing process. We also have a list of known bugs in this 
release. Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test3TreeTesting for 
more details.

Translations of Release Notes
========
Due to the rapidly changing nature of test releases, translations of release 
notes for test releases are not practical. The initial goal is to have a 
translation of the release notes included in the test4 release and to allow 
community review and correction before the general release. As always, the 
general release is translated following the established practices for 
localization (l10n) and internationalization (i18n) 
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N), which result in comprehensive, 
high-quality release notes in a variety of languages.

About Fedora
========
Fedora is a set of projects sponsored by Red Hat and guided by the 
contributors. These projects are developed by a large community of people who 
strive to provide and maintain the very best in free, open source software 
and standards. The central Fedora project is an operating system and platform 
based on Linux that is always free for anyone to use, modify, and distribute, 
now and forever.

You can help the Fedora Project community continue to improve Fedora if you 
file bug reports and enhancement requests. Refer to 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests for more information. 
Thank you for your participation.

To find out more general information about Fedora, refer to the following Web 
pages:

* Fedora Overview (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview)
    * Fedora FAQ (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ)
    * Help and Support (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate)
    * Participate in the Fedora Project 
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted)

[Sebastian Vahl]

Am Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:21:59 -0400
schrieb Jeremy Katz :
> * This test release features a new i386 ISO for a KDE Live CD.
>
> Note that as of this writing, this ISO is only available via
> bittorrent.

Actually the torrent for the KDE Live CD is also missing.

Sebastian

[John DeDourek]

Jeremy Katz wrote:
> Welcome to Fedora 7 Test 3.
>
> I am please to announce the third of four test releases for Fedora 7.
> Downloads
>
> DVD and network installation are available.
>
> http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/
> The recommended method of download is via BitTorrent from this site.
>
> http://fedora.redhat.com/Download/mirrors.html
> HTTP, FTP, and RSYNC downloads are available from Fedora Project mirrors
> listed above.  Note that not all mirrors may be synced at this time.
> New in Fedora 7 Test 3
>
> This test release includes significant new versions of many key components and 
> technologies. The following sections provide a brief overview of major 
> changes from the last release of Fedora.
> Merger of Core and Extras
> * The Fedora Core and Extras software repositories are being merged, 
>
> resulting in a shared infrastructure and a single repository of packages to 
> which everyone is invited to contribute.
> * Fedora 7 Test 3 is packaged initially as a Desktop/Development 
>
> Workstation/Server implementation, called "Prime".  This spin is delivered in 
> DVD iso format only as a trial, see 
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg00993.htm... 
> for the discussion on this.
> * Many more packages are available in the development repositories.
>
> Live CD
> * This test release includes an i386 ISO for a Desktop Live CD. This Live 
>
> CD features the ability to install to a hard disk using the same graphical 
> Anaconda installer as the non-live CD variant.
> * This test release also includes an x86_64 ISO for a Desktop Live
>
> image.  Due to size, this will require a DVD.  As with the i386 Live
> image, the ability to install to a hard disk is available.
> * This test release features a new i386 ISO for a KDE Live CD.  Note
>
> that as of this writing, this ISO is only available via bittorrent.  It
> should be available via the mirrors in the near future.
> Desktop
> * This test release features GNOME 2.18
>
> * A brand new Echo icon theme is included as the default in this release. 
>
> This icon theme is incomplete, but with appropriate feedback and progress, 
> may become the default in the general release.
> * Fast User Switching is now available via the fast-user-switch-applet. 
>
> See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFastUserSwitching for more 
> details.
> Performance
> * System performance is generally slower in the test releases as compared 
>
> to the general release since we enable several options that help with 
> debugging.
> System Administration
> * System administration tools may be modified under the testing process. 
>
> System Level Changes
> * Fedora 7 Test 3 features a 2.6.21rc5 based kernel. Current release 
>
> information is being tracked on the kernel release notes source page. 
> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Kernel)
>
> Amanda
>
> Users who upgrade from older releases need to read the amanda.conf and 
> amanda-client.conf man pages to learn about the the new syntax for calling 
> amandad, as well as edit the /etc/xinetd.d/amanda configuration file to 
> follow the new syntax.
> Road Map And Release Schedule
> * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/ 
>
> Intended Audience for Test Releases
>
> Test 1 is targeted for developers, who use it "at their own risk", and 
> contains many bleeding edge packages.
>
> Test 2 is for early adopters. Most things should work and we need to your help 
> to find what is broken.
>
> Test 3 is for early adopters. Most things should work and we need to your help 
> to find what is broken.
>
> Test 4 is for beta users. This is the time when we must have full community 
> participation. Without this participation both hardware and software 
> functionality suffers.
> Quality Assurance for Test Releases
>
> The Fedora Project has a process in place for ensuring the highest possible 
> quality even in our test releases. Many bugs are identified, prioritized and 
> fixed during the testing process. We also have a list of known bugs in this 
> release. Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test3TreeTesting for 
> more details.
> Translations of Release Notes
>
> Due to the rapidly changing nature of test releases, translations of release 
> notes for test releases are not practical. The initial goal is to have a 
> translation of the release notes included in the test4 release and to allow 
> community review and correction before the general release. As always, the 
> general release is translated following the established practices for 
> localization (l10n) and internationalization (i18n) 
> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N), which result in comprehensive, 
> high-quality release notes in a variety of languages.
> About Fedora
>
> Fedora is a set of projects sponsored by Red Hat and guided by the 
> contributors. These projects are developed by a large community of people who 
> strive to provide and maintain the very best in free, open source software 
> and standards. The central Fedora project is an operating system and platform 
> based on Linux that is always free for anyone to use, modify, and distribute, 
> now and forever.
>
> You can help the Fedora Project community continue to improve Fedora if you 
> file bug reports and enhancement requests. Refer to 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests for more information. 
> Thank you for your participation.
>
> To find out more general information about Fedora, refer to the following Web 
> pages:
> * Fedora Overview (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview)
> * Fedora FAQ (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ)
> * Help and Support (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate)
> * Participate in the Fedora Project 
>
> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HelpWanted)

I would like to test this on a bunch of machines that we use in
the lab. They have CD's only (no DVD) but do have a network
connection to a machine with a DVD and to the Internet via a NAT.
Is there a FAQ somewhere on how to get Test 3 on one of these
machines?

[Rahul Sundaram]

John DeDourek wrote:
> >
>
> I would like to test this on a bunch of machines that we use in
> the lab. They have CD's only (no DVD) but do have a network
> connection to a machine with a DVD and to the Internet via a NAT.
> Is there a FAQ somewhere on how to get Test 3 on one of these
> machines?

You can download either one of the Live CD's which are single CD's and 
installable to your hard disk or you can download the 6MB boot.iso from 
the images folder and boot with "linux askmethod" and select 
nfs/http/ftp for doing a network installation.

Rahul

[Todd Zullinger]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> You can download either one of the Live CD's which are single CD's
> and installable to your hard disk or you can download the 6MB
> boot.iso from the images folder and boot with "linux askmethod" and
> select nfs/http/ftp for doing a network installation.

To take this on a mild tangent...

One downside of just grabbing the boot.iso and installing is that
there is no signature for that file (or the others in the images/ dir
of the Fedora os tree.  I asked about this on the devel list last week
but didn't get much in the way of replies.

It seems to me that starting the OS install from a bootable file that
cannot be easily verified[1] is a problem that shouldn't exist.  All
of the packages Fedora pushes are gpg signed, as are the full .iso
images.  I've not looked at the anaconda source to see if gpg checking
is enabled during installation, but I would think (hope) that it would
(should) be.

Do you see this as a problem Rahul?  I think it is and would like to
see it corrected but I'm not sure where to take it.  I may end up
opening a bug about it some afternoon, just so it doesn't go away
(assuming there isn't one opened already).

I think the boot.iso and other network install methods are really cool
and very handy.  I would recommend it more often if it weren't for the
problem of it not being verifiable.

[1] yes, you could download the .iso for disc 1 or the dvd, verify it,
then extract the boot.iso from that.  But that rather defeats the
purpose of having that small boot.iso in the first place. :)

[Rahul Sundaram]

Todd Zullinger wrote:
> One downside of just grabbing the boot.iso and installing is that
> there is no signature for that file (or the others in the images/ dir
> of the Fedora os tree.  I asked about this on the devel list last week
> but didn't get much in the way of replies.

With the merge of core and extras, the traffic on fedora-devel is a bit 
insane.  Guess that's just the pain of growing up. Finding a good 
subject is essential. I just looked up your post and it wasn't 
particularly clear to me. If you don't attention in the first post might 
as well as try again after a few days or file a report if that's a 
(potential" bug. Bug reports get assigned to specific folks and ignoring 
them is harder.
> It seems to me that starting the OS install from a bootable file that
> cannot be easily verified[1] is a problem that shouldn't exist.  All
> of the packages Fedora pushes are gpg signed, as are the full .iso
> images.  I've not looked at the anaconda source to see if gpg checking
> is enabled during installation, but I would think (hope) that it would
> (should) be.
>
> Do you see this as a problem Rahul?  I think it is and would like to
> see it corrected but I'm not sure where to take it.  I may end up
> opening a bug about it some afternoon, just so it doesn't go away
> (assuming there isn't one opened already).

Yep, that's a issue. File a bug report against the "distribution" 
component. Jesse Keating or Bill Nottingham should be looking into that.

Rahul

[Kevin Kempter]

On Sunday 01 April 2007 11:37:51 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > One downside of just grabbing the boot.iso and installing is that
> > there is no signature for that file (or the others in the images/ dir
> > of the Fedora os tree.  I asked about this on the devel list last week
> > but didn't get much in the way of replies.
>
> With the merge of core and extras, the traffic on fedora-devel is a bit
> insane.  Guess that's just the pain of growing up. Finding a good
> subject is essential. I just looked up your post and it wasn't
> particularly clear to me. If you don't attention in the first post might
> as well as try again after a few days or file a report if that's a
> (potential" bug. Bug reports get assigned to specific folks and ignoring
> them is harder.
> > It seems to me that starting the OS install from a bootable file that
> > cannot be easily verified[1] is a problem that shouldn't exist.  All
> > of the packages Fedora pushes are gpg signed, as are the full .iso
> > images.  I've not looked at the anaconda source to see if gpg checking
> > is enabled during installation, but I would think (hope) that it would
> > (should) be.
> >
> > Do you see this as a problem Rahul?  I think it is and would like to
> > see it corrected but I'm not sure where to take it.  I may end up
> > opening a bug about it some afternoon, just so it doesn't go away
> > (assuming there isn't one opened already).
>
> Yep, that's a issue. File a bug report against the "distribution"
> component. Jesse Keating or Bill Nottingham should be looking into that.
>
> Rahul

Hi List;

Is FC7, Test 3 available with a KDE desktop? I've read some talk about KDE 
going away, KDE moving to a separate Install DVD, etc.. Not sure what the 
real status/direction is for KDE. plus I'd like to test FC7.

Thanks in advance for any help/direction.

[Rex Dieter]

Kevin Kempter wrote:
> Is FC7, Test 3 available with a KDE desktop?

KDE is included in the F7t3-KDE-LiveCD and F7t3-prime spin.
> Not sure what the
> real status/direction is for KDE. plus I'd like to test FC7.

For more info, see
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFedoraKDE
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureFedoraKDE/KDELiveCD/Test3

-- Rex

[Todd Zullinger]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> With the merge of core and extras, the traffic on fedora-devel is a
> bit insane.  Guess that's just the pain of growing up.

Yeah, and it was also while F7T3 was being spun.  :)
> Finding a good subject is essential. I just looked up your post and
> it wasn't particularly clear to me. If you don't attention in the
> first post might as well as try again after a few days or file a
> report if that's a (potential" bug. Bug reports get assigned to
> specific folks and ignoring them is harder.

I'll file a bug since that will be less noise on the list and it'll be
sure to get the attention of the proper folks.  Before I do that I'll
try to verify that anaconda is doing gpg checks at install time.  If
it's not, verifying the iso is moot.

Thanks,