1:09 p.m.
I have a HP Envy 5530 printer on usb connection to a Windows 10 system.
KDE printer settings seems to find it with a smb URI.
smb:///%2F192.168.1.100%2FHPENVY5530
Keeps asking for a user and password but doesn't accept local users or
users on the remote machine.
An attempt to print a test page fails with a CIFS unable to connect
error NT_STATUS_NOT_FOUND. The setting window is not responsive to any
mouse clicks. Other windows systems print with no problems
What am I missing on getting access?
1:34 p.m.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
I have a HP Envy 5530 printer on usb connection to a Windows 10
system.
KDE printer settings seems to find it with a smb URI.
smb:///%2F192.168.1.100%2FHPENVY5530
Keeps asking for a user and password but doesn't accept local users or
users on the remote machine.
An attempt to print a test page fails with a CIFS unable to connect
error NT_STATUS_NOT_FOUND. The setting window is not responsive to any
mouse clicks. Other windows systems print with no problems
What am I missing on getting access?
Not what you asked, but this model seems to have Wifi, so why not go that route?
1:55 p.m.
On 4/21/22 14:34, Doug Herr wrote:
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
> I have a HP Envy 5530 printer on usb connection to a Windows 10 system.
> KDE printer settings seems to find it with a smb URI.
> smb:///%2F192.168.1.100%2FHPENVY5530
>
> Keeps asking for a user and password but doesn't accept local users or
> users on the remote machine.
>
> An attempt to print a test page fails with a CIFS unable to connect
> error NT_STATUS_NOT_FOUND. The setting window is not responsive to any
> mouse clicks. Other windows systems print with no problems
>
> What am I missing on getting access?
Not what you asked, but this model seems to have Wifi, so why not go that route?
_______________________________________________
Multiple systems without wifi. It
doesn't connect to the network server
and wifi at the same time.
2:27 p.m.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Robert
Multiple systems without wifi. It doesn't connect to the network
server
and wifi at the same time.
I might be missing something, but I think the wifi option would put it onto the local
network so that even the wired only systems would see it.
But I guess the wifi could be setup as an isolated network, in which case it would not
help.
Hopefully someone will know how to get Windows to stop being such a pain.
5:09 p.m.
On 22/04/2022 02:55, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
On 4/21/22 14:34, Doug Herr wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
>> I have a HP Envy 5530 printer on usb connection to a Windows 10 system.
>> KDE printer settings seems to find it with a smb URI.
>> smb:///%2F192.168.1.100%2FHPENVY5530
>>
>> Keeps asking for a user and password but doesn't accept local users or
>> users on the remote machine.
>>
>> An attempt to print a test page fails with a CIFS unable to connect
>> error NT_STATUS_NOT_FOUND. The setting window is not responsive to any
>> mouse clicks. Other windows systems print with no problems
>>
>> What am I missing on getting access?
> Not what you asked, but this model seems to have Wifi, so why not go that route?
> _______________________________________________
Multiple systems without wifi. It doesn't connect to the network server and wifi at
the same time.
I have an HP printer. Systems don't connect directly to the printer via wifi. So it
doesn't matter if a system
has wifi or not.
The printer connects tp a wifi access point and systems can use ehternet to access the
printer. And, in my case,
mobile phones that connect to the access point can access the pinter.
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ arp
Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface
_gateway ether 00:11:32:76:13:a8 C enp2s0
192.168.1.166 ether 10:62:e5:b2:ac:07 C enp2s0
The printer is connected to the "gateway" router which is a wifi access point.
As you can see, the system
"meimei" is conneted via the enternet interface.
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6:10 p.m.
On 2022-04-21 6:09 p.m., Ed Greshko wrote:
On 22/04/2022 02:55, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
> On 4/21/22 14:34, Doug Herr wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
>>> I have a HP Envy 5530 printer on usb connection to a Windows 10
>>> system.
>>> KDE printer settings seems to find it with a smb URI.
>>> smb:///%2F192.168.1.100%2FHPENVY5530
>>>
>>> Keeps asking for a user and password but doesn't accept local users or
>>> users on the remote machine.
>>>
>>> An attempt to print a test page fails with a CIFS unable to connect
>>> error NT_STATUS_NOT_FOUND. The setting window is not responsive to any
>>> mouse clicks. Other windows systems print with no problems
>>>
>>> What am I missing on getting access?
>> Not what you asked, but this model seems to have Wifi, so why not go
>> that route?
>> _______________________________________________
> Multiple systems without wifi. It doesn't connect to the network
> server and wifi at the same time.
I have an HP printer. Systems don't connect directly to the printer
via wifi. So it doesn't matter if a system
has wifi or not.
The printer connects tp a wifi access point and systems can use
ehternet to access the printer. And, in my case,
mobile phones that connect to the access point can access the pinter.
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ arp
Address HWtype HWaddress Flags
Mask Iface
_gateway ether 00:11:32:76:13:a8
C enp2s0
192.168.1.166 ether 10:62:e5:b2:ac:07
C enp2s0
The printer is connected to the "gateway" router which is a wifi
access point. As you can see, the system
"meimei" is conneted via the enternet interface.
That depends upon the printer. I have an HP6962 that has its own wifi
node that broadcasts and is automatically found by Fedora. Its a pain in
the behind, as all the other equipment also finds and lists the option
to use this as the main uplink router even though that is never going to
work. That also means that it is taking channels and cutting the
available bandwidth on my main wifi router.
As an aside, the driver for this automatic connection is just plain
broken, and can never connect to actually print anything. Deleting the
found printer and discovering it again always fixes the problem.
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7:14 p.m.
On 22/04/2022 07:10, John Mellor wrote:
That depends upon the printer. I have an HP6962 that has its own wifi node that
broadcasts and is automatically found by Fedora. Its a pain in the behind, as all the
other equipment also finds and lists the option to use this as the main uplink router even
though that is never going to work. That also means that it is taking channels and
cutting the available bandwidth on my main wifi router.
As an aside, the driver for this automatic connection is just plain broken, and can never
connect to actually print anything. Deleting the found printer and discovering it again
always fixes the problem.
It sounds like you've setup you printer to use WiFi-Direct
Guidelines for using Wi-Fi Direct
● Make sure your computer or mobile device has the necessary software.
– If you are using a computer, make sure you have installed the HP printer software.
If you have not installed the HP printer software on the computer, connect to Wi-Fi Direct
first and
then install the printer software. Select Wireless when prompted by the printer software
for a
connection type.
– If you are using a mobile device, make sure you have installed a compatible printing
app. For more
information about mobile printing, visit www.hp.com/global/us/en/eprint/
mobile_printing_apps.html.
● Make sure Wi-Fi Direct for your printer is turned on.
● Up to five computers and mobile devices can use the same Wi-Fi Direct connection.
● Wi-Fi Direct can be used while the printer is also connected either to a computer using
a USB cable or to
a network using a wireless connection.
● Wi-Fi Direct cannot be used to connect a computer, mobile device, or printer to the
Internet
Bullet point #4 suggests to me that WiFi-Direct can be used at the same time as the
printer is configured to
connect to an access point.
At the moment, I don't have time to look into the HP manuals that closely. I'm
not impressed by the
HP manuals. :-)
Oh, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAvEUsz3t_A shows how to setup wireless connecting to
a
WiFi access point using the touch screen.
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1:17 a.m.
On 4/21/22 20:14, Ed Greshko wrote:
Guidelines for using Wi-Fi Direct
● Make sure your computer or mobile device has the necessary software.
– If you are using a computer, make sure you have installed the HP
printer software.
If you have not installed the HP printer software on the computer,
connect to Wi-Fi Direct first and
then install the printer software. Select Wireless when prompted by
the printer software for a
connection type.
– If you are using a mobile device, make sure you have installed a
compatible printing app. For more
information about mobile printing, visit www.hp.com/global/us/en/eprint/
mobile_printing_apps.html.
● Make sure Wi-Fi Direct for your printer is turned on.
● Up to five computers and mobile devices can use the same Wi-Fi
Direct connection.
● Wi-Fi Direct can be used while the printer is also connected either
to a computer using a USB cable or to
a network using a wireless connection.
● Wi-Fi Direct cannot be used to connect a computer, mobile device, or
printer to the Internet
Bullet point #4 suggests to me that WiFi-Direct can be used at the
same time as the printer is configured to
connect to an access point.
At the moment, I don't have time to look into the HP manuals that
closely. I'm not impressed by the
HP manuals. :-)
Oh, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAvEUsz3t_A shows how to setup
wireless connecting to a
WiFi access point using the touch screen.
Connected the printer to WIFI. Windows systems print. In F35 "configure
printers" finds it with the address
dnssd://HP%20ENVY%205530%20series%20%5B203D69%5D._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=1c852a4d-b800-1f08-abcd-a45d36203d69
There are three drivers listed for the found for the HP ENVY 5530
HP Envy 5530 series hpijs, 3.22.2
HP Envy 5530 series hpcups, 3.22.2
The response with either driver is 'unable to locate printer
"HPA45D36203D69.local"'
Tried using the various form of the ipps address with the ip address of
the printer get the reply that the printer does not respond.
3:16 a.m.
On Thu, 2022-04-21 at 19:10 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
That depends upon the printer. I have an HP6962 that has its own
wifi node that broadcasts and is automatically found by Fedora. Its a
pain in the behind, as all the other equipment also finds and lists
the option to use this as the main uplink router even though that is
never going to work. That also means that it is taking channels and
cutting the available bandwidth on my main wifi router.
I concur with Ed, that sounds like WiFi direct, because of you
mentioning other things think it's a gateway. That's kind of the point
of WiFi direct, it's a kind of peer-to-peer thing for things like
visiting mobile phones that aren't in your network, or to allow them in
places that don't have a WiFi network.
Looking up that model, it has WiFi, ethernet, and USB. You can change
how it connects, and you have a lot of control (on the printer) over
its network configuration. You may, or may not, be able to have more
than one kind of connection simultaneously (I never rely on the manuals
for this, the product may behave differently from the manual). I have
one Pixma printer that is USB-connected to the adjacent PC, while being
networked to everything else, and I don't think that's supposedly
supported.
https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-officejet-6960-all-in-one-printer...
I wouldn't think you lose much in the way of bandwidth. It's only
going to announce itself periodically. You'd have to be using it for
it take up lots of bandwidth. Having said that, I avoid WiFi and use
ethernet wherever possible, it's just more predictable and reliable.
Here's another thing with WiFi: Even if things aren't using much in
the way of bandwidth, some devices can only handle there being so many
things connected to it. So, a house full of smart devices (e.g. lamps,
etc), can reach its limit, even though they don't really have much data
traffic. Most people using WiFi at home are just using some domestic
WiFi router, it's a tiny unimpressive computer running in a plastic
box, probably built to minimum specification for what they think the
average person might do.
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On 23/04/2022 04:01, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
On 4/22/22 04:16, Tim via users wrote:
> Back to the original question of accessing a printer on a windows share.
I have a HP Envy 5530 printer on usb connection to a Windows 10 system.
That is an old printer. It has been discontinued. I don't think it is capable of
using 2 interfaces at the same time.
I can't help you with a Windows system being able to share printers. I've always
had trouble with Windows systems
sharing resources. I don't even have a Windows system to try testing this.
But it does seem capable to join a SSID/Local Access Point. So why not switch to that
route. Then all systems will just
connect via the LAN?
FWIW, I've never even connected a printer to a USB port on Linux.
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10:28 p.m.
Robert McBroom:
> Back to the original question of accessing a printer on a
windows
> share.
Oops, I hadn't noticed that the printer question I responded to wasn't
the origin of the thread.
I tried looking up that printer on the HP support website and the
manual is very basic. Their old sales advert for says that it only has
USB or WiFi connectivity. Nothing I saw said whether it could use
both. As Ed said, using WiFi instead, for everything, may be the
easiest solution. The printer has an embedded webserver, so it's a
standalone network printer, if you want to use it that way.
Trying to use a printer across a network share (where a PC is a host
for the printer) gives you two options to begin with, whether that be
CUPs or SMB used for networking:
1. Each computer has a local driver and sends the kind of data the
printer wants over the network.
2. Each computer sends a common printing language over the network, and
a print server acts as a driver to convert it to the language the
printer wants.
It's years since I tried Windows networking (between Windows and
between Linux), and there were some peculiarities about how it tried to
support the first method (supposedly the printer share could supply the
driver to the other side, but that'd be some Windows magic between
Windows computers). And to stop tearing your hair out, people usually
manually installed the right driver on each client PC (the automatic
thing would only work on the specifically supported OSs).
I always went the other way: Shared the printer from a Linux computer
running CUPS, and let the Windows machine access an IPP printer. That
worked reasonably well.
Then later, got a networked printer, and was always able to directly
access it from each computer. That was easier than trying to use one
PC as the gateway, driving the printer, and all other PCs sending print
data to the gateway.
Since the printer claims to use HP PCL3, I would think it not
impossible for each computer to be able directly access it. HP PCL
data is a bit like PostScript in that many things know how to deal with
it.
To do it the way you stated in your first post, you'd have to configure
the PC directly connected to the printer. If you can't set up a user-
account on the PC with credentials you want to use with the remote
users, you'd have to make its printer share accessible by all (I don't
know if you can still do that on Windows). I think that with taking
that approach, you're in the context of solving how do you configure
Windows, rather than what do you do on Linux.
It's possible that you can have Windows share it as an IPP printer,
that may bypass SMB nightmares.
Can you plug the printer directly into Linux and print from it? As a
test, to see that you can do it? And is that a viable way to always
use the printer with your systems?
NB: I don't have a Windows PC to do tests on to offer any direct help.
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