6:19 p.m.
How will this affect Linux using MP3
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/cbsm/SIG=12qc5oi18/*http://www.ma...
6:51 p.m.
jim tate wrote:
How will this affect Linux using MP3
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/cbsm/SIG=12qc5oi18/*http://www.ma...
Aside from confirming that mp3 is a patent nightmare and
that any OSS company not wanting to be sued should stay
well clear (which we already knew)? Not at all.
--
imalone
10:31 p.m.
On Thursday 22 February 2007, jim tate wrote:
How will this affect Linux using MP3
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/cbsm/SIG=12qc5oi18/*http://www.m
arketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-ordered-pay-alcatel-lucent-15/story.
aspx?guid=%7B1DD3996C%2D8037%2D4528%2D9203%2DA612C9AD2564%7D&siteid=yhoo
&dist=yhoo
I doubt it will have any long term effect, as IMO the suite was baseless
in the first place, and now we've had a died in the wool, red white &
blue judge who probably whistles yandee doodle while trimming his roses
in the back yard make a ruling that on the face of it, goes against
everything we know about MP3, eg Fahnhoffer own the patent and who the
hell is this alcatel/lucent if not just another patent troll? What
rights do they claim they have to kick a dog in this fight?
Surely this will be summarily tossed at the next appeals court hearing?
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10:49 p.m.
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2007, jim tate wrote:
> How will this affect Linux using MP3
>
>
> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/cbsm/SIG=12qc5oi18/*http://www.m
> arketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-ordered-pay-alcatel-lucent-15/story.
> aspx?guid=%7B1DD3996C%2D8037%2D4528%2D9203%2DA612C9AD2564%7D&siteid=yhoo
> &dist=yhoo
I doubt it will have any long term effect, as IMO the suite was baseless
in the first place, and now we've had a died in the wool, red white &
blue judge who probably whistles yandee doodle while trimming his roses
in the back yard make a ruling that on the face of it, goes against
everything we know about MP3, eg Fahnhoffer own the patent and who the
hell is this alcatel/lucent if not just another patent troll? What
rights do they claim they have to kick a dog in this fight?
Surely this will be summarily tossed at the next appeals court hearing?
For the first time in my life, I stand behind and support M$
(Now im going to have to wash my mouth out with lots of amber fluids
shorlty :P )
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Res
"We can be Heroes, just for one day" - Davey (Jones) Bowie
11:33 p.m.
On Thursday 22 February 2007, Res wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 22 February 2007, jim tate wrote:
>> How will this affect Linux using MP3
>>
>>
>> http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/cbsm/SIG=12qc5oi18/*http://ww
>>w.m
>> arketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-ordered-pay-alcatel-lucent-15/sto
>>ry.
>> aspx?guid=%7B1DD3996C%2D8037%2D4528%2D9203%2DA612C9AD2564%7D&siteid=y
>>hoo &dist=yhoo
>
> I doubt it will have any long term effect, as IMO the suite was
> baseless in the first place, and now we've had a died in the wool, red
> white & blue judge who probably whistles yandee doodle while trimming
> his roses in the back yard make a ruling that on the face of it, goes
> against everything we know about MP3, eg Fahnhoffer own the patent and
> who the hell is this alcatel/lucent if not just another patent troll?
> What rights do they claim they have to kick a dog in this fight?
>
> Surely this will be summarily tossed at the next appeals court
> hearing?
For the first time in my life, I stand behind and support M$
(Now im going to have to wash my mouth out with lots of amber fluids
shorlty :P )
Yeah, I'm working on that too, within the limits of my diabetes.
I think, if this stands, then M$ will have no choice but to sue Fahnhoffer
for breach of contract. I've since read that somehow, Fahnhoffer has
come into the clutches of the former AT&T behemoth, so there has to be
someone, somewhere within that organization who needs to wear the blame
for this one.
Of course to call a spade a bloody shovel, these guys have turned into the
same quality of patent troll that nailed RIM for 600+ million. I can
recall faintly when such things would have been handled with a shotgun &
a shovel. Things were still a bit wild & wooly back in the 30's... Ya
know, we still haven't found Jimmy Hoffa...
Whats even more interesting ATM is the days verbal arguments at the
Supremes, they both SIDES, are painting themselves into a corner that may
yet generate a ruling on the patentability of software even if that
wasn't the point of the suit in the first place. Breyer and Ginsberg are
both asking questions from what appear to be very well clued in
perspectives. There may yet be hope of real justice if we all pray real
hard.
And no, I'm not a preacher, nor do I play one on tv, so don't send your
money to me. :)
--
Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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3:29 a.m.
Gene Heskett wrote:
in the back yard make a ruling that on the face of it, goes against
everything we know about MP3, eg Fahnhoffer own the patent and who the
The wonderful thing about patents is that there can be more than
one for a particular technology, and in the case of software you
may end up using something that was originally patented for
an utterly different application.
--
imalone
3:08 p.m.
Gene Heskett wrote:
On Thursday 22 February 2007, Res wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Gene Heskett wrote:
Yeah, I'm working on that too, within the limits of my diabetes.
I think, if this stands, then M$ will have no choice but to sue Fahnhoffer
for breach of contract. I've since read that somehow, Fahnhoffer has
come into the clutches of the former AT&T behemoth, so there has to be
someone, somewhere within that organization who needs to wear the blame
for this one.
Of course to call a spade a bloody shovel, these guys have turned into the
same quality of patent troll that nailed RIM for 600+ million. I can
recall faintly when such things would have been handled with a shotgun &
a shovel. Things were still a bit wild & wooly back in the 30's... Ya
know, we still haven't found Jimmy Hoffa...
Whats even more interesting ATM is the days verbal arguments at the
Supremes, they both SIDES, are painting themselves into a corner that may
yet generate a ruling on the patentability of software even if that
wasn't the point of the suit in the first place. Breyer and Ginsberg are
both asking questions from what appear to be very well clued in
perspectives. There may yet be hope of real justice if we all pray real
hard.
And no, I'm not a preacher, nor do I play one on tv, so don't send your
money to me. :)
The issue isn't the license MS has but with whom they don't have
licenses. This was on CNET today.
Patent fights are a legacy of MP3's tangled origins
http://news.com.com/Patent+fights+are+a+legacy+of+MP3s+tangled+origins/21...
This article covers this mess. In basic points, the MP3 patent is not a
single patent but multiple patents owned by multiple organizations.
Maybe the end of mp3 and the move to ogg or something open source. :)
A time to end software patents.
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Robin Laing
3:27 p.m.
On Monday 05 March 2007, Robin Laing wrote:
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 22 February 2007, Res wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm working on that too, within the limits of my diabetes.
>
> I think, if this stands, then M$ will have no choice but to sue
> Fahnhoffer for breach of contract. I've since read that somehow,
> Fahnhoffer has come into the clutches of the former AT&T behemoth, so
> there has to be someone, somewhere within that organization who needs
> to wear the blame for this one.
>
> Of course to call a spade a bloody shovel, these guys have turned into
> the same quality of patent troll that nailed RIM for 600+ million. I
> can recall faintly when such things would have been handled with a
> shotgun & a shovel. Things were still a bit wild & wooly back in the
> 30's... Ya know, we still haven't found Jimmy Hoffa...
>
> Whats even more interesting ATM is the days verbal arguments at the
> Supremes, they both SIDES, are painting themselves into a corner that
> may yet generate a ruling on the patentability of software even if
> that wasn't the point of the suit in the first place. Breyer and
> Ginsberg are both asking questions from what appear to be very well
> clued in perspectives. There may yet be hope of real justice if we
> all pray real hard.
>
> And no, I'm not a preacher, nor do I play one on tv, so don't send
> your money to me. :)
The issue isn't the license MS has but with whom they don't have
licenses. This was on CNET today.
Patent fights are a legacy of MP3's tangled origins
http://news.com.com/Patent+fights+are+a+legacy+of+MP3s+tangled+origins/2
100-1027_3-6164165.html
This article covers this mess. In basic points, the MP3 patent is not a
single patent but multiple patents owned by multiple organizations.
And page 2 notes that they were enjoined from any patent considerations
when setting the std. That should have been the first consideration, and
has resulted here in the US with the invalidation of patents that were
both post FCC rulemaking granted, and in one case obviously overheard in
a restaurant and they ran to the USTPO and filed. We broadcasters were
not about to pay a patent troll $15,000+ a year use royalties to
implement a system that was the result of a government mandate.
Maybe the end of mp3 and the move to ogg or something open source.
:)
A time to end software patents.
--
Due to the move to M$ Exchange Server,
anything that is a priority, please phone.
Robin Laing
--
Cheers, Gene
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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