I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Bob
Did you check, whether you are in a directory where the files are without write permission for the owner?
suomi
On 10/28/2009 02:45 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Bob
Bob Look into the permissions by using the 'chmod' command. You may need to pull the man pages to understand the sintax of how to use it.
Daniel J Celta
On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:45 AM, Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@wildblue.net wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Bob
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On 28/10/09 10:17, Daniel J Celta wrote:
Bob Look into the permissions by using the 'chmod' command. You may need to pull the man pages to understand the sintax of how to use it.
Daniel J Celta
I've been changing permissions, I know well how to do that but hate to change things "willy-nilly."
Nothing I have changed so far has helped. I haven't had this problems with any other applications, just OO!
Thanks for your response.
Bob
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:45 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it.
Are you working on other people's files? Are you one of those people who log in as root?
On 28/10/09 10:36, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:45 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it.
Are you working on other people's files? Are you one of those people who log in as root?
The files are for user "bobg." Neither computer has ever been booted to root. Obviously there are many things that must be done as "su." I don't think the OO install is one of them. Both systems were originally installed from the Omega live cd but I don't recall if OO comes with it or not. But I have had to install a lot of other app's and have had no such trouble.
Bob
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Bob Goodwin bobgoodwin@wildblue.netwrote:
On 28/10/09 10:36, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:45 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it.
Are you working on other people's files? Are you one of those people who log in as root?
The files are for user "bobg." Neither computer has ever been booted to root. Obviously there are many things that must be done as "su." I don't think the OO install is one of them. Both systems were originally installed from the Omega live cd but I don't recall if OO comes with it or not. But I have had to install a lot of other app's and have had no such trouble.
Bob
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I have seen like this before when files have been copied back from CD/DVD and are flagged as "read-only." I know that you have not said that you had done this. I know that you have checked the ownership. My last several version upgrades have been done using preupgrade. My data "home" is on another disk separate from the currently installed home and I have never seen these symptoms except when having copied data back from archival (read-only) media. Hope this helps think of something....
Fennix
On 28/10/09 11:11, Fennix wrote:
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin@wildblue.net mailto:bobgoodwin@wildblue.net> wrote:
On 28/10/09 10:36, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:45 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything? I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it. Are you working on other people's files? Are you one of those people who log in as root? The files are for user "bobg." Neither computer has ever been booted to root. Obviously there are many things that must be done as "su." I don't think the OO install is one of them. Both systems were originally installed from the Omega live cd but I don't recall if OO comes with it or not. But I have had to install a lot of other app's and have had no such trouble. Bob -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com <mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelinesI have seen like this before when files have been copied back from CD/DVD and are flagged as "read-only." I know that you have not said that you had done this. I know that you have checked the ownership. My last several version upgrades have been done using preupgrade. My data "home" is on another disk separate from the currently installed home and I have never seen these symptoms except when having copied data back from archival (read-only) media. Hope this helps think of something....
Fennix
This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions to 776:
[bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll total 12 -rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odt
Bob
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 11:29 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions to 776:
[bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll total 12 -rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odt
The group ownership is rather telling. Why is there a "root" in there? And what do you mean by copied from OO? Open a file from one place in OpenOffice.org and saved to somewhere else? Something else? What's the process that your files have been through from initial creation to you working on them? Any backups in the middle? And, if so, how were they done?
None of *my* files ever get "root" in the user or group ownerships.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 11:29 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions to 776:
[bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll total 12 -rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odtThe group ownership is rather telling. Why is there a "root" in there? And what do you mean by copied from OO? Open a file from one place in OpenOffice.org and saved to somewhere else? Something else? What's the process that your files have been through from initial creation to you working on them? Any backups in the middle? And, if so, how were they done?
None of *my* files ever get "root" in the user or group ownerships.
-- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
Hmmm, I have changed one file named unknown.odt to permissions of 776 with ownership fennix:root and subsequently have no difficulty with editing and saving my changes. This file is also is on the data disk that has been remounted after installation/upgrade through 4 fedora versions and retaining my user and group id's (uid and gid) which always is the same. But if your files are somehow "copied" rather than the originals as mine are perhaps some other question is involved. My user ID is just the installation default so has no groups added to it such as root. My uid and gid is always 500. I always use the default OO package supplied from Fedora. There seems to be more involved with whatever you have done through your upgrade process and perhaps we have not yet asked the right question yet.
Yours, Fennix
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Fennix cn.stefan@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.auwrote:
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 11:29 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions to 776:
[bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll total 12 -rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odtThe group ownership is rather telling. Why is there a "root" in there? And what do you mean by copied from OO? Open a file from one place in OpenOffice.org and saved to somewhere else? Something else? What's the process that your files have been through from initial creation to you working on them? Any backups in the middle? And, if so, how were they done?
None of *my* files ever get "root" in the user or group ownerships.
-- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
Hmmm, I have changed one file named unknown.odt to permissions of 776 with ownership fennix:root and subsequently have no difficulty with editing and saving my changes. This file is also is on the data disk that has been remounted after installation/upgrade through 4 fedora versions and retaining my user and group id's (uid and gid) which always is the same. But if your files are somehow "copied" rather than the originals as mine are perhaps some other question is involved. My user ID is just the installation default so has no groups added to it such as root. My uid and gid is always 500. I always use the default OO package supplied from Fedora. There seems to be more involved with whatever you have done through your upgrade process and perhaps we have not yet asked the right question yet.
Yours, Fennix
Forgot to mention the file unknown.odt was not just created to test your question. It is a file from 2005.10.27 and predates my current data disk by several years (so was copied there from another disk(s) and was created on a 4 year old version of OO). I have never changed the ownership nor permissions on this file until today to test your question and to attempt to duplicate your problem.
Yours,
Fennix
On 28/10/09 11:54, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 11:29 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions to 776:
[bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll total 12 -rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odtThe group ownership is rather telling. Why is there a "root" in there? And what do you mean by copied from OO? Open a file from one place in OpenOffice.org and saved to somewhere else? Something else? What's the process that your files have been through from initial creation to you working on them? Any backups in the middle? And, if so, how were they done?
None of *my* files ever get "root" in the user or group ownerships.
The origins of this file are long lost. It probably began as a StarOffice file, I don't remember. It's a form I use to keep track of the pills I take. Routine stuff that is easily lost track of, did I or didn't I? It has been modified numerous times over the last ten years or so as med's change, etc. I probably changed permissions and owner, usually all I want is to print ten more copies and do whatever it takes to get it done.
The problem was with the directory ootext which apparently had it's permissions corrupted somehow when I transferred it from the F-10 computer. I don't know what I might have done wrong but I removed the directory and created a new one with the same name.
[bobg@box9 ~]$ ll /home/bobg/ootext
-rw-rw-r--. 1 bobg bobg 9425 2009-10-28 15:01 bp-meds-091028.odt
OpenOffice no longer treats it as read only. It should not have taken me that long to find the problem but I thought it was something in the OpenOffice configuration and wasted time on that tangent.
Thanks for the help.
Bob
Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Can we assume that the border around OOWriter reads some like....
File_Name_you_are_working_on (read-only) OpenOffice.org Writer
Now, you've looked at the permissions of the file you wish to edit....but did you also check the permissions of the parent directories? If, for example, the directory that contains the file is 500 even if the directory is owned by "bobg" and even if the file is set to 666 you won't be able to edit the file.....
Around 01:45pm on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 (UK time), Bob Goodwin scrawled:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
I saw similar symptoms a while back.
Are the files on the local machine, or are they on an NFS mount? If the latter, try (temporarily) taking down the firewall on the server.
If that works, look here for more details: http://www.stevesearle.com/tech/faq.html#nfs0010
Steve
On 28/10/09 15:05, Steve Searle wrote:
Around 01:45pm on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 (UK time), Bob Goodwin scrawled:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything? I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it. Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?I saw similar symptoms a while back.
Are the files on the local machine, or are they on an NFS mount? If the latter, try (temporarily) taking down the firewall on the server.
If that works, look here for more details: http://www.stevesearle.com/tech/faq.html#nfs0010
Steve
I don't remember how I copied them but I had all the old F-10 files on the nfs server and quite likely took them from there. At any rate I've got things working with some external stimulation from this mailing list.
Thanks again
Bob
Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Have you checked SELinux: do you have setroubleshoot installed?
James.
On 28/10/09 17:12, James Wilkinson wrote:
Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything? I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it. Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?Have you checked SELinux: do you have setroubleshoot installed?
James.
I guess I do, not sure how to tell but when I do locate "setroubleshoot" it produces a long list of files. I haven't had any selinux error messages since installing F-11.
My problems appear to occur when I transfer files via sftp. That changed the owner to root. I created a new directory as user "bobg" and moved the files to it, then removed the original directory and recreated it as bobg and put the files back in and things work normally. I imagine all that really needs to be done is to change the owner, the permissions were ok.
Things are working and I know how to cause the problem, another case of knowing what doesn't work. I'm sure it is the result of doing something wrong with sftp. That will take some more investigation I've transferred a lot of iles that way without a problem?
Bob
Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 28/10/09 17:12, James Wilkinson wrote:
Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything? I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't see where to change it. Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?Have you checked SELinux: do you have setroubleshoot installed?
James.
I guess I do, not sure how to tell but when I do locate "setroubleshoot" it produces a long list of files. I haven't had any selinux error messages since installing F-11.
"locate setroubleshoot" will show you a list of files with 'setroubleshoot' somewhere in the path. If you get a long list, then you have it installed. Under Gnome, you can run it by going to:
Applications->System Tools->SELinux Troubleshooter
My problems appear to occur when I transfer files via sftp. That changed the owner to root. I created a new directory as user "bobg" and moved the files to it, then removed the original directory and recreated it as bobg and put the files back in and things work normally. I imagine all that really needs to be done is to change the owner, the permissions were ok.
Unless you use the "-P" option to the "get" command, then sftp will change the ownership to whomever you ran sftp as and the permissions will be set to the umask for that user. I don't think sftp has any concept of SELinux contexts, though, so the files may need to be "restorecon"ned as well after downloading.
Things are working and I know how to cause the problem, another case of knowing what doesn't work. I'm sure it is the result of doing something wrong with sftp. That will take some more investigation I've transferred a lot of files that way without a problem?
Note that "scp" works as well, but the option is "-p", not "-P":
scp -p remote-machine:/path/to/files /local/path
I prefer it because you can pull down multiple files and subdirectories as well by using the "-r" option:
scp -rp remote-machine:/path/to/files /local/path
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