While a long-time user, I never liked getting all of the messages in my email box, considering that only 5% or so are relevant to me. The digest form has the additional problem of how to reply to a post. Then, I discovered Gmane a few years back.I was bothered somewhat by using a third party interface and, it seemed, that not 100% of the posts ever showed up, depending on who posted where. It has worked well for me, but I had to set up the news program, typically knode, which also took a fair bit of time. Nothing ever seemed satisfactory.
This morning I discovered Fedora's own web interface. I never even knew it existed!!! I think it could be the best solution yet... although sometimes it seems slow.
What have you found to be he easiest, most convenient, etc. method of accessing the message boards?
On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 19:56 +0000, Peter Gueckel wrote:
While a long-time user, I never liked getting all of the messages in my email box, considering that only 5% or so are relevant to me. The digest form has the additional problem of how to reply to a post.
Most digests are now in MIME format, so replying to a post is easy with a modern mail client, while preserving threading.
However using digests isn't going to reduce the amount of mail you get. It's really an obsolete method with little to recommend it any more. Just subscribe normally and use filters. With IMAP you don't even need to download the messages you aren't interested in.
Then, I discovered Gmane a few years back.I was bothered somewhat by using a third party interface and, it seemed, that not 100% of the posts ever showed up, depending on who posted where. It has worked well for me, but I had to set up the news program, typically knode, which also took a fair bit of time. Nothing ever seemed satisfactory.
This morning I discovered Fedora's own web interface. I never even knew it existed!!! I think it could be the best solution yet... although sometimes it seems slow.
It didn't exist until fairly recently, and I find it clunky compared to mail. YMMV of course.
What have you found to be he easiest, most convenient, etc. method of accessing the message boards?
What message boards? If you mean the mailing lists, then I use a mail client with IMAP (Evolution in my case).
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
What message boards? If you mean the mailing lists, then I
use a mail
client with IMAP (Evolution in my case).
poc
Mailing lists, I meant.
I was hoping someone knew of some super cool way of dealing with this dated messaging system.
I'll look into how IMAP might help me manage it all. Gmail claims they 'do' mailing lists, so maybe there's a way to make it do what I want.
Thanks :-)
On 05/24/16 08:23, Peter G. wrote:
I'll look into how IMAP might help me manage it all. Gmail claims they 'do' mailing lists, so maybe there's a way to make it do what I want.
I use the message filtering of gmail to put messages from mailing lists in their individual folders which are labeled with the name of the list. Then I simply access them via IMAP capable email clients. This way the lists are available no matter what platform I'm using at the time.
I've used this method for *years* and it serves my needs. YMMV.
That means you are storing the entire contents of all of the lists you read!?
Well, Google does say you never need to delete anything, don't they? ;-)
On 05/24/16 08:44, Peter Gueckel wrote:
That means you are storing the entire contents of all of the lists you read!?
No. I should have mentioned that I have a retention policy set for each list. Some for 30 days, some for 14.
Well, Google does say you never need to delete anything, don't they? ;-)
They say that...but I don't follow their "recommendation". :-)
On 05/24/16 08:53, Ed Greshko wrote:
No. I should have mentioned that I have a retention policy set for each list. Some for 30 days, some for 14.
Oh, the policy is set in my T-Bird client. I don't think gmail itself offers this.
But since I use IMAP all clients I use see the same contents.
(Sorry to have left off that detail. A bit distracted this AM)
On 24/05/16 10:59, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 05/24/16 08:53, Ed Greshko wrote:
No. I should have mentioned that I have a retention policy set for each list. Some for 30 days, some for 14.
Oh, the policy is set in my T-Bird client. I don't think gmail itself offers this.
But since I use IMAP all clients I use see the same contents.
(Sorry to have left off that detail. A bit distracted this AM)
Hi Ed, just to be a bit off topic here, I used Thunderbird as well, and as of the last couple of months, using Imap, mainly because of not being able to get pop to work when I upgraded my internet service from adsl to cable, and my isp not understanding that when you connect your cable service to a different domain to what their adsl services are connected to, and they create a userid in the new domain of the same name as the orginal one, that in Tbird to continue to use the original mailbox you have to add the domain name to your login credentials. Using Imap does not alleviate this, I just found this when I couldn't get Imap to work for the same reason, and the isp's support guys were of no help in identifying this.
How do you configure Tbird for the way you use the mail service (different retention periods on folders and only downloading mail you are interested in), as relative to the retention period of mail on the remote server, the version of Tbird I am using appears to only provide 1 setting relative to retention on the server which I have set to 7 days, rather than as I used to have it set to, to delete when downloaded (Are you implementing it via folder level mail rules?). Experience also indicates that this setting doesn't work properly anyway (I haven't determined yet whether this failure was relative to imap or pop) as the mailbox at the isp's end retained mail that was significantly older than than the retention period threshold. I also ran into the issue when I switched to imap that for several days afterwards I got duplicate emails in my Tbird inbox. My isp's support guys were unable to explain why, and also not explain why it was the all the emails that were duplicated did not physically exist in their mailbox and emails for the same days that were not duplicated still existed in their mailbox.
How do you work around the stated functionality of imap, that if you have a mail sitting in your inbox in Tbird and that mail is deleted from the server mailbox it is automatically deleted from your Tbird inbox as well. When I mentioned to my isp's support that I wanted to retain old emails in my inbox and that functionality would not work for me, they told me if I wanted to do that then I would have to switch back to pop because I would not get it using Imap.?
regards, Steve
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 06:19 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote:
How do you configure Tbird for the way you use the mail service (different retention periods on folders and only downloading mail you are interested in), as relative to the retention period of mail on the remote server, the version of Tbird I am using appears to only provide 1 setting relative to retention on the server which I have set to 7 days, rather than as I used to have it set to, to delete when downloaded (Are you implementing it via folder level mail rules?). Experience also indicates that this setting doesn't work properly anyway (I haven't determined yet whether this failure was relative to imap or pop) as the mailbox at the isp's end retained mail that was significantly older than than the retention period threshold. I also ran into the issue when I switched to imap that for several days afterwards I got duplicate emails in my Tbird inbox. My isp's support guys were unable to explain why, and also not explain why it was the all the emails that were duplicated did not physically exist in their mailbox and emails for the same days that were not duplicated still existed in their mailbox.
I don't know why you're having this problem, but it has nothing to do with IMAP per se. IMAP has no concept of a retention period. Looks like your difficulties arise from something in your TBird configuration but as I use Evolution I couldn't say what it is.
poc
On 05/25/16 04:19, Stephen Morris wrote:
Yes, slightly off topic. So, if you have additional questions feel free to make direct contact.
How do you configure Tbird for the way you use the mail service (different retention periods on folders and only downloading mail you are interested in), as relative to the retention period of mail on the remote server, the version of Tbird I am using appears to only provide 1 setting relative to retention on the server which I have set to 7 days, rather than as I used to have it set to, to delete when downloaded (Are you implementing it via folder level mail rules?). Experience also indicates that this setting doesn't work properly anyway (I haven't determined yet whether this failure was relative to imap or pop) as the mailbox at the isp's end retained mail that was significantly older than than the retention period threshold. I also ran into the issue when I switched to imap that for several days afterwards I got duplicate emails in my Tbird inbox. My isp's support guys were unable to explain why, and also not explain why it was the all the emails that were duplicated did not physically exist in their mailbox and emails for the same days that were not duplicated still existed in their mailbox.
The email retention policy is a function available in T-Bird. It isn't an IMAP server function.
Simply right-click on any folder and select "Properties". One of the tabs will be "Retention Policy" which you can set for each folder.
I have no problems with this feature. Changes made to the policy may not have immediate effect but can be "forced" by right-clicking on the folder and selecting "Compact".
When you have an issue with copies of the the same email appearing in a folder this is normally resolved by going to the Properties of the folder and selecting "Repair Folder" on the General Information tab.
How do you work around the stated functionality of imap, that if you have a mail sitting in your inbox in Tbird and that mail is deleted from the server mailbox it is automatically deleted from your Tbird inbox as well. When I mentioned to my isp's support that I wanted to retain old emails in my inbox and that functionality would not work for me, they told me if I wanted to do that then I would have to switch back to pop because I would not get it using Imap.?
I don't have this problem since if I want to delete an email from my inbox or a folder I actually want to delete it. If I wanted to delete a message that was on the server but retain a copy I would simply create a folder under "Local Folders" in T-Bird and copy/move the email to that folder.
Allegedly, on or about 25 May 2016, Stephen Morris sent:
How do you work around the stated functionality of imap, that if you have a mail sitting in your inbox in Tbird and that mail is deleted from the server mailbox it is automatically deleted from your Tbird inbox as well. When I mentioned to my isp's support that I wanted to retain old emails in my inbox and that functionality would not work for me, they told me if I wanted to do that then I would have to switch back to pop because I would not get it using Imap.?
You won't, since that's not how IMAP is supposed to work. But with the right mail client you can set it to only show the last few days mail in each folder. The server has everything that you don't delete, you just only *see* the most recent mail.
You have other options, that you could do with the appropriate software. Such as moving so-many-days-old messages from your inbox to other archiving folders, using automatic rules.
e.g. Using psuedo-code: If mail is older than 7 days AND to lists.fedoraproject.org move to fedora folder.
That lets you read through your inbox for new mail, and be able to follow on-going threads, but not have a too-cluttered inbox. If you needed to see something older, you'd look through your archive folders.
On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 18:23 -0600, Peter G. wrote:
I'll look into how IMAP might help me manage it all. Gmail claims they 'do' mailing lists, so maybe there's a way to make it do what I want.
Gmail don't do mailing lists in the sense we usually mean here. They have something called Google Groups, which is fairly different.
That said, I access Gmail via IMAP and use Evolution to read my mailing lists, which works fine.
poc
On Mon, 2016-05-23 at 19:56 +0000, Peter Gueckel wrote:
I discovered Gmane a few years back.I was bothered somewhat by using a third party interface and, it seemed, that not 100% of the posts ever showed up, depending on who posted where. It has worked well for me, but I had to set up the news program, typically knode, which also took a fair bit of time.
I can't see that setting up gmail and filtering is going to be any *easier* than using a news client with a news server (like gmane). But it *may* be more practical, if it gives you a better searching ability.
For what it's worth, I always found usenet the most practical for the kind of thing this mailing list does. News clients tended to be geared towards handling masses of mail (proper threading, auto purging, ignoring, watching, etc), most mail clients are awful at it, and awful at quoting. And usenet doesn't require you to expose an email address to abuse.
Websites are a pain, you can manage the odd one, but having to separately log into several different websites to keep abreast of a number of things is a major chore. And you have to deal with designers who like to continuously re-engineer the service. As far as I'm concerned, they're only of use for someone who wants to solve a particular problem, and not be part of any on-going participation.
Tim wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, they're only of use for someone who wants to
solve a
particular problem, and not be part of any on-going
participation.
I participate where I think my input could be useful, but Iǘe learned to stay out of conversations where the extent of my knowledge isn't going to add to the conversation. As such, aside from some newbie help and testing feedback, my use is primarily for problem-solving h/t
Yes, I think Hyperkitty has potential, PWF :-) I like the FAS account (I've had one for years, but there is getting to be a bit more that one can do with the login :-)
On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 07:56:28PM -0000, Peter Gueckel wrote:
While a long-time user, I never liked getting all of the messages in my email box, considering that only 5% or so are relevant to me. The digest form has the additional problem of how to reply to a post. Then, I discovered Gmane a few years back.I was bothered somewhat by using a third party interface and, it seemed, that not 100% of the posts ever showed up, depending on who posted where. It has worked well for me, but I had to set up the news program, typically knode, which also took a fair bit of time. Nothing ever seemed satisfactory.
This morning I discovered Fedora's own web interface. I never even knew it existed!!! I think it could be the best solution yet... although sometimes it seems slow.
I'm assuming you mean Hyperkitty, for example via this very thread: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
What have you found to be he easiest, most convenient, etc. method of accessing the message boards?
This really differs by person. The great thing about Hyperkitty is it doesn't change the use of email for those who prefer that old school method. In fact, I'm writing a response to you right now on Mutt, my text based email client, where I read mail and compose replies.
But I could just as easily login to Hyperkitty, and compose a reply there. There are also ways to rank messages; later we hope to give you the option to see more of what you like, and less of what you don't.
On Tue, 24 May 2016 10:53:01 -0400 Paul W. Frields wrote:
later we hope to give you the option to see more of what you like, and less of what you don't.
Like maybe getting the plain text message bodies rendered in fixed width fonts so code snippits and such come out displayed reasonably?
On 05/24/2016 09:46 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2016 10:53:01 -0400 Paul W. Frields wrote:
later we hope to give you the option to see more of what you like, and less of what you don't.
Like maybe getting the plain text message bodies rendered in fixed width fonts so code snippits and such come out displayed reasonably?
+1 - especially since they may contain code or command examples
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