Neither VLC nor Amarok seem to come with Fedora. But late last night, I found VLC with "apper" and downloaded it. I got it to work for the two radio stations. It did not help with "Pipedreams". (By the way, Pipedreams is *not* a radio station.) Now this morning, the buttons on the second link (http://www.yourclassical.org/programs/pipedreams/episodes) for Pipedreams does work! The buttons on the first link (http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/listings/2016/1628/) still don't work. I'll open a new thread on that later, mainly focused on adobe applications.
Since VLC worked, I did not try the others.
I thank Rick, Andras, and Fred for their help.
Bill.
On 07/13/2016 08:04 AM, William Mattison wrote:
Neither VLC nor Amarok seem to come with Fedora. But late last night, I found VLC with "apper" and downloaded it. I got it to work for the two radio stations. It did not help with "Pipedreams". (By the way, Pipedreams is *not* a radio station.) Now this morning, the buttons on the second link (http://www.yourclassical.org/programs/pipedreams/episodes) for Pipedreams does work! The buttons on the first link (http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/listings/2016/1628/) still don't work. I'll open a new thread on that later, mainly focused on adobe applications.
Since VLC worked, I did not try the others.
Another one to try is Clementine. It handles playlists and internet radio. If it recognizes the title of a song in a stream it will even retrieve the lyrics. Much better than rhythmbox all the way around.
On 07/13/2016 08:04 AM, William Mattison wrote:
Neither VLC nor Amarok seem to come with Fedora. But late last night, I found VLC with "apper" and downloaded it.
Neither one is installed by default. Amarok is in the regular Fedora repositories, but vlc is in rpmfusion, so I'm assuming you've already set that up.
Now this morning, the buttons on the second link (http://www.yourclassical.org/programs/pipedreams/episodes) for Pipedreams does work! The buttons on the first link (http://pipedreams.publicradio.org/listings/2016/1628/) still don't work. I'll open a new thread on that later, mainly focused on adobe applications.
Both of those pages work for me. One plays in the page, I assume HTML5. Since it's mp3, I'm guessing that somewhere along the way of installing the other applications, the mp3 codec from rpmfusion was also installed, which is why it suddenly started working. The other page opens a popup window and uses flash to play the audio, so if you have the flash plugin installed it should work. Oh, check the system logs. You might need to toggle an selinux boolean to allow browser plugins network access (mozilla_plugin_can_network_connect).
The message I'm replying to was intended to be the closure of the thread "application to listen to on-line broadcasts?", but I failed to put the "Re: " at the beginning of the subject line. My apologies. On to the new thread that I intended to create...
1. I've encountered several websites that have media needing Adobe's Flash. "Pipedreams" is one. I can't at the moment recall others. What is the best Fedora (and/or Firefox) alternative for Flash? And how do I get Firefox to launch that application rather than Flash when the host website calls for Flash?
2. I also occasionally have to fill in a pdf form. In windows, Adobe's Reader used to handle that. Reader no longer fills in forms. What is the best Fedora application for both viewing and filling in pdf forms? What about a Firefox add-on?
3. The National Weather Service weather RADAR displays have the option to do looping and zooming. But those features need Java. I have Java installed and up-to-date, but Firefox doesn't find it. I haven't found a way to tell Firefox to use Java or where it is. How do I do that?
4. Earlier in this thread, Samuel recommended that I activate a flag "mozilla_plugin_can_network_connect)" in selinux. I'm not familiar with selinux (I'm just a home user struggling to be his own sys-admin.). How do I do that?
thanks, Bill.
On 07/13/2016 04:18 PM, William Mattison wrote:
The message I'm replying to was intended to be the closure of the thread "application to listen to on-line broadcasts?", but I failed to put the "Re: " at the beginning of the subject line. My apologies. On to the new thread that I intended to create...
- I've encountered several websites that have media needing Adobe's Flash. "Pipedreams" is one. I can't at the moment recall others. What is the best Fedora (and/or Firefox) alternative for Flash? And how do I get Firefox to launch that application rather than Flash when the host website calls for Flash?
There is no alternative right now. There was an attempt at an open-source flash replacement, but I can't remember what it was called and it doesn't seem to be in Fedora any longer. Mozilla was working on a JS-based flash replacement, but they have recently abandoned it as well.
See https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/10217/sticky-how-do-i-install-adob... for your options on installing the flash player.
- I also occasionally have to fill in a pdf form. In windows, Adobe's Reader used to handle that. Reader no longer fills in forms. What is the best Fedora application for both viewing and filling in pdf forms? What about a Firefox add-on?
Evince (document viewer) works great for viewing pdfs and generally works ok with filling forms.
- The National Weather Service weather RADAR displays have the option to do looping and zooming. But those features need Java. I have Java installed and up-to-date, but Firefox doesn't find it. I haven't found a way to tell Firefox to use Java or where it is. How do I do that?
Make sure you have the "icedtea-web" package installed.
- Earlier in this thread, Samuel recommended that I activate a flag "mozilla_plugin_can_network_connect)" in selinux. I'm not familiar with selinux (I'm just a home user struggling to be his own sys-admin.). How do I do that?
setsebool -P unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition on
On 07/13/2016 04:55 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 07/13/2016 04:18 PM, William Mattison wrote:
The message I'm replying to was intended to be the closure of the thread "application to listen to on-line broadcasts?", but I failed to put the "Re: " at the beginning of the subject line. My apologies. On to the new thread that I intended to create...
- I've encountered several websites that have media needing Adobe's
Flash. "Pipedreams" is one. I can't at the moment recall others. What is the best Fedora (and/or Firefox) alternative for Flash? And how do I get Firefox to launch that application rather than Flash when the host website calls for Flash?
There is no alternative right now. There was an attempt at an open-source flash replacement, but I can't remember what it was called and it doesn't seem to be in Fedora any longer.
If you mean "gnash", it's still around. It's primarily a movie viewer, however and not all opcodes, etc. are implemented. "dnf info gnash" for details.
Mozilla was working on a JS-based flash replacement, but they have recently abandoned it as well.
See https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/10217/sticky-how-do-i-install-adob... for your options on installing the flash player.
- I also occasionally have to fill in a pdf form. In windows,
Adobe's Reader used to handle that. Reader no longer fills in forms. What is the best Fedora application for both viewing and filling in pdf forms? What about a Firefox add-on?
Evince (document viewer) works great for viewing pdfs and generally works ok with filling forms.
- The National Weather Service weather RADAR displays have the option
to do looping and zooming. But those features need Java. I have Java installed and up-to-date, but Firefox doesn't find it. I haven't found a way to tell Firefox to use Java or where it is. How do I do that?
Make sure you have the "icedtea-web" package installed.
- Earlier in this thread, Samuel recommended that I activate a flag
"mozilla_plugin_can_network_connect)" in selinux. I'm not familiar with selinux (I'm just a home user struggling to be his own sys-admin.). How do I do that?
setsebool -P unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition on
Note that command must be run as root. If you are a mortal user with a "$" prompt, then do:
sudo setsebool -P unconfined_mozilla_plugin_transition on
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On 07/13/2016 05:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 07/13/2016 04:55 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
There is no alternative right now. There was an attempt at an open-source flash replacement, but I can't remember what it was called and it doesn't seem to be in Fedora any longer.
If you mean "gnash", it's still around. It's primarily a movie viewer, however and not all opcodes, etc. are implemented. "dnf info gnash" for details.
Yes, that's the one I was thinking of. "dnf info gnash" gives me "Error: No matching Packages to list". But I just checked on a F23 computer and it is there, so it must have been retired for F24.
On 07/13/2016 05:21 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 07/13/2016 05:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 07/13/2016 04:55 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
There is no alternative right now. There was an attempt at an open-source flash replacement, but I can't remember what it was called and it doesn't seem to be in Fedora any longer.
If you mean "gnash", it's still around. It's primarily a movie viewer, however and not all opcodes, etc. are implemented. "dnf info gnash" for details.
Yes, that's the one I was thinking of. "dnf info gnash" gives me "Error: No matching Packages to list". But I just checked on a F23 computer and it is there, so it must have been retired for F24.
Ah, yeah. I haven't "gone over to the dark side" of F24 yet so I can't check that.
"Come to the dark side.........we have cookies!" (from bumper sticker I saw a few weeks ago)
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I was wrong about the National Weather Service weather RADAR pages. When I click a "Loop" button, the display shows a message "A plugin is needed to display this content." message. I used Firefox's "Inspect Element" function, and what I see includes this: <object id="FlAniS" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="./flanis.swf" AniS" height="700" width="620"></object> followed by a small gray-filled rounded rectangle with "ev" inside. So these animations do not need Java, they need flash.
There is still a "gnash" website, but it shows the most recent release being about 4 years old. The Wikipedia page for "gnash" gives me the sense that it's dying thanks to legal risks and lack of programmers. I wonder... Does Redhat have the money and programmers (and legal eagles) to make a good flash substitute?! Redhat: are you listening?
In the next day or 2, I'll try working through ask.fedora question 10217 as suggested by Samuel.
I did the "setsebool" command. One of these days, I'll find a web page that will provide a test. The NWS RADAR sites are no good for this.
Thank-you. Bill.
On 07/14/2016 07:46 PM, William Mattison wrote:
There is still a "gnash" website, but it shows the most recent release being about 4 years old. The Wikipedia page for "gnash" gives me the sense that it's dying thanks to legal risks and lack of programmers. I wonder... Does Redhat have the money and programmers (and legal eagles) to make a good flash substitute?! Redhat: are you listening?
And it is mostly only useful for playing videos, not general flash apps.
Mozilla was working on a Firefox addon called shumway, but has since abandoned it. It seemed to be at a reasonable level of usability. You might be able to get it to work.
In the next day or 2, I'll try working through ask.fedora question 10217 as suggested by Samuel.
It's really easy. Just install the adobe-release rpm from the link provided. Then "dnf install flash-plugin". And keep it up-to-date. Every couple of weeks, firefox disables it for security issues.
Once upon a time, Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net said:
It's really easy. Just install the adobe-release rpm from the link provided. Then "dnf install flash-plugin". And keep it up-to-date. Every couple of weeks, firefox disables it for security issues.
The Adobe-released Linux Flash is woefully out of date. If you must have Flash on Linux, IMHO the best way is to install Google Chrome (even if you don't use it) and freshplayer (a plugin wrapper to run the Google Pepper API variant of Flash in Firefox's NPAPI plugin environment).
On 07/15/2016 11:04 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Samuel Sieb samuel@sieb.net said:
It's really easy. Just install the adobe-release rpm from the link provided. Then "dnf install flash-plugin". And keep it up-to-date. Every couple of weeks, firefox disables it for security issues.
The Adobe-released Linux Flash is woefully out of date. If you must have Flash on Linux, IMHO the best way is to install Google Chrome (even if you don't use it) and freshplayer (a plugin wrapper to run the Google Pepper API variant of Flash in Firefox's NPAPI plugin environment).
The Linux version is still at 11.x instead of whatever windows gets. But they keep patching it and I haven't found any sites that it doesn't work on.
I finally found time to do some more of this. (Samuel: I'm looking to go the pepper flash player + freshplayer route, not the old flash route.)
First I looked in the places that I trust most. I used Fedora's "apper" to look for Chrome, Chromium, pepper, and freshplayer in the Fedora and rpmfusion repositories. I struck out, so apparently none of these are available from the Fedora and RPM Fusion repositories. I tried the Firefox app (or plug-in) search, same search words. Nothing. So these must all come somewhere else. Did I miss something?
Am I correct in concluding that to get the pepper flash player, I must go to the Google site for downloading Chrome and download the whole Chrome? or am I missing something?
Bill.
On 07/19/2016 04:26 PM, William Mattison wrote:
I finally found time to do some more of this. (Samuel: I'm looking to go the pepper flash player + freshplayer route, not the old flash route.)
Your choice, but that's definitely the harder route.
First I looked in the places that I trust most. I used Fedora's "apper" to look for Chrome, Chromium, pepper, and freshplayer in the Fedora and rpmfusion repositories. I struck out, so apparently none of these are available from the Fedora and RPM Fusion repositories. I tried the Firefox app (or plug-in) search, same search words. Nothing. So these must all come somewhere else. Did I miss something?
Chrome you have to get from Google. Chromium will soon be available in Fedora. And I know nothing about freshplayer or getting pepper flash in anything other than Chrome.
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