Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
I believe Lenovo does ? (did?) And then there's Slimbook from Spain...didn't KDE also make a laptop...with Fedora as an offering? at least IIRC
EGO II
On 3/11/22 00:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
On 3/11/22 00:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
Yes, just got a Thinkpad X1 Gen 9 with Fedora 33 pre-installed for Black Friday in the US. I installed F35 directly. Everything seems to work ok but I need to dig into the power management as it seems the 3 'performance' modes didn't really worked as they should have, thus giving me rather subpar autonomy. Not sure why at this stage.
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
So you have a full report on this machine, but I didn't file any bug as I have been busy with other things.
Fred
On 3/10/22 21:54, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 3/11/22 00:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
Yes, just got a Thinkpad X1 Gen 9 with Fedora 33 pre-installed for Black Friday in the US. I installed F35 directly. Everything seems to work ok but I need to dig into the power management as it seems the 3 'performance' modes didn't really worked as they should have, thus giving me rather subpar autonomy. Not sure why at this stage.
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
So you have a full report on this machine, but I didn't file any bug as I have been busy with other things.
Fred
I wonder if the sell OS-less laptops, so you can install what you want?
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 02:55, Todd Chester via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On 3/10/22 21:54, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 3/11/22 00:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
Yes, just got a Thinkpad X1 Gen 9 with Fedora 33 pre-installed for Black Friday in the US. I installed F35 directly. Everything seems to work ok but I need to dig into the power management as it seems the 3 'performance' modes didn't really worked as they should have, thus giving me rather subpar autonomy. Not sure why at this stage.
Power management in linux often has issues. Have you checked for F33 problem reports?
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
Vendors selling laptops with linux preinstalled often add new drivers that are not yet in the upstream kernel. You may be able to find them at a vendor download site, but some work may be needed to install them.
You may want to install Lenovo's Fedora 33 (e.g., on an external drive or dual boot) to get Lenovo special support for updates. This will also help you identify missing drivers and determine which bugs were present with F33..
So you have a full report on this machine, but I didn't file any bug as I have been busy with other things.
Fred
I wonder if the sell OS-less laptops, so you can install what you want?
You need to check carefully for drivers that match the network, display, sound, touchpad/pointer hardware. Does the vendor provide firmware updates that can be installed without Windows?
I prefer to buy laptops that are used or have end-of-production discounts. It seems to take a couple years for drivers to work their way into official kernels, and this gives time for users to report any lingering issues I may be stuck with.
On 3/10/22 22:54, Todd Chester via users wrote:
On 3/10/22 21:54, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 3/11/22 00:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
Yes, just got a Thinkpad X1 Gen 9 with Fedora 33 pre-installed for Black Friday in the US. I installed F35 directly. Everything seems to work ok but I need to dig into the power management as it seems the 3 'performance' modes didn't really worked as they should have, thus giving me rather subpar autonomy. Not sure why at this stage.
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
So you have a full report on this machine, but I didn't file any bug as I have been busy with other things.
Fred
I wonder if the sell OS-less laptops, so you can install what you want? _______________________________________________
Framework computers come in a DIY version that you can self-configure and add the OS of your choice.
Not affiliate, just a customer.
-- ~~R
On 3/11/22 09:38, George N. White III wrote:
Vendors selling laptops with linux preinstalled often add new drivers that are not yet in the upstream kernel. You may be able to find them at a vendor download site, but some work may be needed to install them.
You may want to install Lenovo's Fedora 33 (e.g., on an external drive or dual boot) to get Lenovo special support for updates. This will also help you identify missing drivers and determine which bugs were present with F33..
If you check the devel list from some time back, there was a discussion by a Lenovo representative about these laptops. Their goal was to ship unmodified Fedora on them. So there shouldn't be any special packages involved. I think all firmware updates should be managed by fwupd as well.
On 3/10/22 21:54, Frederic Muller wrote:
Yes, just got a Thinkpad X1 Gen 9 with Fedora 33 pre-installed for Black Friday in the US. I installed F35 directly. Everything seems to work ok but I need to dig into the power management as it seems the 3 'performance' modes didn't really worked as they should have, thus giving me rather subpar autonomy. Not sure why at this stage.
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
How are you trying to install the updates and what is happening?
On Mar 11, 2022, at 12:39, George N. White III gnwiii@gmail.com wrote:
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
Vendors selling laptops with linux preinstalled often add new drivers that are not yet in the upstream kernel. You may be able to find them at a vendor download site, but some work may be needed to install them.
You may want to install Lenovo's Fedora 33 (e.g., on an external drive or dual boot) to get Lenovo special support for updates. This will also help you identify missing drivers and determine which bugs were present with F33..
That may be the case with some vendors (I’m looking at you Dell + Ubuntu) but Lenovo works directly with Red Hat and Fedora to get their devices certified and any drivers upstreamed and included in Fedora kernels (and eventually RHEL too).
Props to the Lenovo and Red Hat engineers who make this happen.
-- Jonathan Billings
On Mar 11, 2022, at 00:55, Frederic Muller fred@cm17.com wrote:
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
I’ve seen this happen if you have the AMT disabled in the BIOS. You can’t install the BIOS firmware updates without it.
I support the Lenovo X1 with RHEL at work. I have a X1 gen9 with RHEL8 on my desk right now, and it applies updates from fwupdmgr just fine.
-- Jonathan Billings
On 3/11/22 10:50, Richard England wrote:
On 3/10/22 22:54, Todd Chester via users wrote:
On 3/10/22 21:54, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 3/11/22 00:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
Yes, just got a Thinkpad X1 Gen 9 with Fedora 33 pre-installed for Black Friday in the US. I installed F35 directly. Everything seems to work ok but I need to dig into the power management as it seems the 3 'performance' modes didn't really worked as they should have, thus giving me rather subpar autonomy. Not sure why at this stage.
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
So you have a full report on this machine, but I didn't file any bug as I have been busy with other things.
Fred
I wonder if the sell OS-less laptops, so you can install what you want? _______________________________________________
Framework computers come in a DIY version that you can self-configure and add the OS of your choice.
Not affiliate, just a customer.
-- ~~R
Awesome! Thank you!
Did you get power management tyo work right?
On 3/12/22 04:21, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 3/10/22 21:54, Frederic Muller wrote:
Yes, just got a Thinkpad X1 Gen 9 with Fedora 33 pre-installed for Black Friday in the US. I installed F35 directly. Everything seems to work ok but I need to dig into the power management as it seems the 3 'performance' modes didn't really worked as they should have, thus giving me rather subpar autonomy. Not sure why at this stage.
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
How are you trying to install the updates and what is happening?
Thank you for your help. I actually thought that wasn't really this list problem, as I specifically bought a Fedora Lenovo laptop.
I did both through fwupdmgr and through Software where you can see them. I also verified the "right settings" where in the BIOS, and other firmware updates do install.
On both method the update seems to be running ok and ask for a restart, and are still available for install after the update. FWIW the 2 updates are Lenovo System Firmware Version 1.51 and Lenovo Embedded Controller Firmware Version 1.32.
Thank you ... again.
Fred
On 3/11/22 20:07, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 3/12/22 04:21, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 3/10/22 21:54, Frederic Muller wrote:
Yes, just got a Thinkpad X1 Gen 9 with Fedora 33 pre-installed for Black Friday in the US. I installed F35 directly. Everything seems to work ok but I need to dig into the power management as it seems the 3 'performance' modes didn't really worked as they should have, thus giving me rather subpar autonomy. Not sure why at this stage.
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
How are you trying to install the updates and what is happening?
Thank you for your help. I actually thought that wasn't really this list problem, as I specifically bought a Fedora Lenovo laptop.
I did both through fwupdmgr and through Software where you can see them. I also verified the "right settings" where in the BIOS, and other firmware updates do install.
On both method the update seems to be running ok and ask for a restart, and are still available for install after the update. FWIW the 2 updates are Lenovo System Firmware Version 1.51 and Lenovo Embedded Controller Firmware Version 1.32.
Sounds like you've done it all correctly. You have a couple of options and you could even try both at the same time. File a bug on fwupdmgr and contact Lenovo support. See if they are actually prepared for Linux support requests.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 05:21:36PM -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote:
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
I’ve seen this happen if you have the AMT disabled in the BIOS. You can’t install the BIOS firmware updates without it.
Also needs SecureBoot turned off, AIUI (which is unfortunate!).
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:54:57PM -0800, Todd Chester via users wrote:
I wonder if the sell OS-less laptops, so you can install what you want?
This sounds great, but as always the devil is in the details. Any modern computer has dozens of different components and parts which all need to have proper OS support -- graphics, wifi, obviously; and visible things like fingerprint readers, cameras; but also power subsystems, controllers, bunch of other stuff.
If you buy an OS-less system, you've got no idea that _any_ OS will work with the components that make up that system.
On 3/14/22 14:47, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 05:21:36PM -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote:
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
I’ve seen this happen if you have the AMT disabled in the BIOS. You can’t install the BIOS firmware updates without it.
Also needs SecureBoot turned off, AIUI (which is unfortunate!).
I'm not *quite* sure what you mean by that. I don't own any Lenovo laptops, but my friend Ian does. I asked him, and he confirmed that fwupdmgr can update firmware as expected with Secure Boot on. I'd be pretty surprised to learn of any systems that couldn't.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 03:20:23PM -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
I’ve seen this happen if you have the AMT disabled in the BIOS. You can’t install the BIOS firmware updates without it.
Also needs SecureBoot turned off, AIUI (which is unfortunate!).
I'm not *quite* sure what you mean by that. I don't own any Lenovo laptops, but my friend Ian does. I asked him, and he confirmed that fwupdmgr can update firmware as expected with Secure Boot on. I'd be pretty surprised to learn of any systems that couldn't.
On the X1 Carbon Gen 8, in specific, there is (or was... possibly addressed?) an issue where firmware updates weren't working with Secure Boot on.
On 3/15/22 05:43, Matthew Miller wrote:
On the X1 Carbon Gen 8, in specific, there is (or was... possibly addressed?) an issue where firmware updates weren't working with Secure Boot on.
-- Matthew Miller
On my 9th gen I have secure boot on and most firmware updates update, except the 2 I mentioned previously so far. I am having similar issues with a 6th gen with 2 updates also not updating (Consumer ME update & System update - not the same version as 9th gen).
I filed a bug and reported the issue to Lenovo as recommended, let's see what happens. FWIW Lenovo doesn't seem to have a specific software support channel, if not the community forum.
Thank you.
Fred
On 3/10/22 21:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
Are these guys legit? Any feedback on them?
This site allows you to select Fedora as the OS:
On 3/15/22 21:10, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 3/10/22 21:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
How about system76? _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
These guys have a Fedora option as well:
On 3/16/22 09:13, Sbob wrote:
This site allows you to select Fedora as the OS:
On 3/15/22 21:10, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 3/10/22 21:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
How about system76? _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
On 3/11/22 18:10, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 3/11/22 10:50, Richard England wrote:
On 3/10/22 22:54, Todd Chester via users wrote:
On 3/10/22 21:54, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 3/11/22 00:10, Todd Chester via users wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know of someone selling laptops with Fedora preinstalled?
Many thanks, -T
Yes, just got a Thinkpad X1 Gen 9 with Fedora 33 pre-installed for Black Friday in the US. I installed F35 directly. Everything seems to work ok but I need to dig into the power management as it seems the 3 'performance' modes didn't really worked as they should have, thus giving me rather subpar autonomy. Not sure why at this stage.
I also have 2 firmware updates which don't seem to install.
So you have a full report on this machine, but I didn't file any bug as I have been busy with other things.
Fred
I wonder if the sell OS-less laptops, so you can install what you want? _______________________________________________
Framework computers come in a DIY version that you can self-configure and add the OS of your choice.
Not affiliate, just a customer.
-- ~~R
Awesome! Thank you!
Did you get power management tyo work right?
I'm using MATE so the power management seems limited compared to GNOME. I'm afraid I have little to no input on that particular point.
Sorry, but so far everything seems to work very well.
--
~~R
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