Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[John Mellor]

On 2021-10-18 08:41, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> I was read llvm is a virtual manager for lang C and i was launch a lot 
> of c scripts finaly did this work had crash my fedora server because 
> they were too much c scripts ?

???  What are "c scripts"?  What has the number of "c scripts" got to do 
with Fedora crashing?  It sounds like you corrupted your machine or 
broke some hardware more than anything else.

Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This does not 
make sense on multiple levels.

--

John Mellor

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/18/21 12:50 PM, John Mellor wrote:
> ???  What are "c scripts"?  What has the number of "c scripts" got to do 
> with Fedora crashing?  It sounds like you corrupted your machine or 
> broke some hardware more than anything else.

I'm guessing that he means shell scripts.

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Hello,

All the c extension scripts and h extension scripts in the laster vulkan github fork by khronos group !

The other computer crash After install llvm is a windows setup kind laptop with an b980 pentium,

Thank you in advance for yours answers,

Regards.

Dorian Rosse.
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From: Joe Zeff 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:34:00 PM
To: [e-mail] 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On 10/18/21 12:50 PM, John Mellor wrote:
> ???  What are "c scripts"?  What has the number of "c scripts" got to do
> with Fedora crashing?  It sounds like you corrupted your machine or
> broke some hardware more than anything else.

I'm guessing that he means shell scripts.
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Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 14:50 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This does
> not make sense on multiple levels.

I was about to say the same thing, but:

$ dnf info llvm
...
Summary      : The Low Level Virtual Machine
...

I think the OP is confused about what this means.

poc

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[John Mellor]

On 2021-10-18 6:12 p.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 14:50 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> > Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This does
> > not make sense on multiple levels.
> >
> > I was about to say the same thing, but:
> >
> > $ dnf info llvm
> > ...
> > Summary      : The Low Level Virtual Machine

Hmmm.  Interesting.  I'm not sure why llvm describes itself as a "Low 
Level Virtual Machine", when it has nothing to do with that. Does the 
llvm team seem to think that machine language is virtual or something 
equally weird?  It sounds like llvm needs to fix what the package 
description says.  Its a compiler suite and an associated runtime lib, 
and that's all.

--

John Mellor

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Oct 18, 2021, at 19:11, John Mellor  wrote:
> 
> > On 2021-10-18 6:12 p.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 14:50 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> > > Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This does
> > > not make sense on multiple levels.
> > >
> > > I was about to say the same thing, but:
> > >
> > > $ dnf info llvm
> > > ...
> > > Summary      : The Low Level Virtual Machine
>
> Hmmm.  Interesting.  I'm not sure why llvm describes itself as a "Low Level Virtual Machine", when it has nothing to do with that. Does the llvm team seem to think that machine language is virtual or something equally weird?  It sounds like llvm needs to fix what the package description says.  Its a compiler suite and an associated runtime lib, and that's all.

The first paragraph on llvm.org:

The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is the full name of the project.

--
Jonathan Billings

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 09:50:41PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is the full name of the project.

I think a PR at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/llvm/blob/rawhide/f/llvm.spec to update
the Summary would be the most helpful thing in this case (along with, of
course, an explanatory comment).

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Matthew : what is a PR please ?

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Regards.

Dorian Rosse.
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From: Matthew Miller 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:35:58 AM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 09:50:41PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is the full name of the project.

I think a PR at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/llvm/blob/rawhide/f/llvm.spec to update
the Summary would be the most helpful thing in this case (along with, of
course, an explanatory comment).

--
Matthew Miller

Fedora Project Leader
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Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

Matthew after update my password i can't log in for publish the problem i fall on error 501 unauthorized !

I will try again next weekend,

Have a nice end of weekend from the France the weather is Sunny and it is seventeen to twenty here,

Regards.

Dorian Rosse.
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From: Matthew Miller 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:35:58 AM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 09:50:41PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is the full name of the project.

I think a PR at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/llvm/blob/rawhide/f/llvm.spec to update
the Summary would be the most helpful thing in this case (along with, of
course, an explanatory comment).

--
Matthew Miller

Fedora Project Leader
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Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

I have success to report the two broken,

Regards.

Dorian Rosse.
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From: Matthew Miller 
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 12:35:58 AM
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Subject: Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 09:50:41PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> The LLVM Project is a collection of modular and reusable compiler and toolchain technologies. Despite its name, LLVM has little to do with traditional virtual machines. The name "LLVM" itself is not an acronym; it is the full name of the project.

I think a PR at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/llvm/blob/rawhide/f/llvm.spec to update
the Summary would be the most helpful thing in this case (along with, of
course, an explanatory comment).

--
Matthew Miller

Fedora Project Leader
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Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 19:10 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> On 2021-10-18 6:12 p.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2021-10-18 at 14:50 -0400, John Mellor wrote:
> > > Llvm is a compiler suite, and has nothing to do with VMs.  This
> > > does
> > > not make sense on multiple levels.
> > >
> > > I was about to say the same thing, but:
> > >
> > > $ dnf info llvm
> > > ...
> > > Summary      : The Low Level Virtual Machine
>
> equally weird?  It sounds like llvm needs to fix what the package 
> description says.  Its a compiler suite and an associated runtime
> lib, 
> and that's all.

It appears to be what is sometimes called an "intermediate machine" as
used by code generators. CS is full of confusing overloaded terms, e.g
hash, port, etc.

poc

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[George N. White III]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 07:51, Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:
> It appears to be what is sometimes called an "intermediate machine" as
> used by code generators. CS is full of confusing overloaded terms, e.g
> hash, port, etc.

This is confusing enough for native English speakers; more confusing for
those whose native language is not English.   Debian calls llvm "Modular
compiler and toolchain technologies".   Wikipedia also uses this
description,
and says "The name *LLVM* was originally an initialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initialism for
*Low Level *
*Virtual Machine*."

Fedora packagers should not be propagating an outdated and potentially
misleading description.

Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 08:43 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 at 07:51, Patrick O'Callaghan
>
> wrote:
> > It appears to be what is sometimes called an "intermediate machine"
> > as
> > used by code generators. CS is full of confusing overloaded terms,
> > e.g
> > hash, port, etc.
>
> This is confusing enough for native English speakers; more confusing
> for
> those whose native language is not English.   Debian calls llvm
> "Modular
> compiler and toolchain technologies".   Wikipedia also uses this
> description,
> and says "The name *LLVM* was originally an initialism
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initialism for
> *Low Level *
> *Virtual Machine*."
>
> Fedora packagers should not be propagating an outdated and
> potentially
> misleading description.

I agree.

poc