Hi,
According to FedEx, my new machine is on a truck speeding to my local distribution center for delivery tomorrow. So hopefully it will be here tomorrow. I had two questions:
1) It comes with Windoze 7 (with an upgrade option/disc for W8). Not sure if I want to wipe it off (ideally, I would have liked to have not paid for it) but I was wondering if I wanted to do a dual boot, is there a set of instructions somewhere that I could follow? I have had no problems with earlier windoze xp unProfessional dual installs, but not with W7 or W8 (have not even seen a machine with this one). I do wonder about keeping an OS I am likely to only use when I am talking to some technical support for some service. Somehow the ones that require contacting technical support always want you to use IE. I bluff my way through on these ones.
2) This laptop has touchscreen abilities. While I could in general care less about this feature, again I did not have an option to get rid of it. So, I wonder if it is possible to use the touchscreen features with Fedora 20?
Am I better off trying CentOS on this machine because of the two questions above? I would however like to stick to Fedora.
Many shanks, Ranjan
On 2014-06-23 07:10, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Hi,
According to FedEx, my new machine is on a truck speeding to my local distribution center for delivery tomorrow. So hopefully it will be here tomorrow. I had two questions:
- It comes with Windoze 7 (with an upgrade option/disc for W8). Not
sure if I want to wipe it off (ideally, I would have liked to have not paid for it) but I was wondering if I wanted to do a dual boot, is there a set of instructions somewhere that I could follow? I have had no problems with earlier windoze xp unProfessional dual installs, but not with W7 or W8 (have not even seen a machine with this one). I do wonder about keeping an OS I am likely to only use when I am talking to some technical support for some service. Somehow the ones that require contacting technical support always want you to use IE. I bluff my way through on these ones.
- This laptop has touchscreen abilities. While I could in general care
less about this feature, again I did not have an option to get rid of it. So, I wonder if it is possible to use the touchscreen features with Fedora 20?
Am I better off trying CentOS on this machine because of the two questions above? I would however like to stick to Fedora.
Many shanks, Ranjan
Hi Ranjan regarding question 1) I got a PC (Desktop) with fully installed Windoze 7 as well. I then told the Fedora Installer to shrink the Windoze partition. Then I installed Fedora (without dual boot). And on Linux I installed VirtualBox and I made Windoze 7 to operate in VirtualBox. This way, I don't need to reboot, but can start Windoze like a Fedora application.
suomi
Hi Ranjan regarding question 1) I got a PC (Desktop) with fully installed Windoze 7 as well. I then told the Fedora Installer to shrink the Windoze partition. Then I installed Fedora (without dual boot). And on Linux I installed VirtualBox and I made Windoze 7 to operate in VirtualBox. This way, I don't need to reboot, but can start Windoze like a Fedora application.
suomi
Can the same be done with xp? If dual boot is used can we choose to boot to linux first without overwriting the MBR. Thanks Roger
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:45:57 +0200 fedora fedora@ayni.com wrote:
On 2014-06-23 07:10, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Hi,
According to FedEx, my new machine is on a truck speeding to my local distribution center for delivery tomorrow. So hopefully it will be here tomorrow. I had two questions:
- It comes with Windoze 7 (with an upgrade option/disc for W8). Not
sure if I want to wipe it off (ideally, I would have liked to have not paid for it) but I was wondering if I wanted to do a dual boot, is there a set of instructions somewhere that I could follow? I have had no problems with earlier windoze xp unProfessional dual installs, but not with W7 or W8 (have not even seen a machine with this one). I do wonder about keeping an OS I am likely to only use when I am talking to some technical support for some service. Somehow the ones that require contacting technical support always want you to use IE. I bluff my way through on these ones.
- This laptop has touchscreen abilities. While I could in general care
less about this feature, again I did not have an option to get rid of it. So, I wonder if it is possible to use the touchscreen features with Fedora 20?
Am I better off trying CentOS on this machine because of the two questions above? I would however like to stick to Fedora.
Many shanks, Ranjan
Hi Ranjan regarding question 1) I got a PC (Desktop) with fully installed Windoze 7 as well. I then told the Fedora Installer to shrink the Windoze partition. Then I installed Fedora (without dual boot). And on Linux I installed VirtualBox and I made Windoze 7 to operate in VirtualBox. This way, I don't need to reboot, but can start Windoze like a Fedora application.
Thank you! This is a great idea! Are there detailed instructions on how to do this, telling the obscure Fedora installer to shrink the Windoze partition? Can the Windoze partition stay updated?
I would also like to have 2) answered.
Thanks, Ranjan
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On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:16:44 +1000 Roger arelem@bigpond.com wrote:
Hi Ranjan regarding question 1) I got a PC (Desktop) with fully installed Windoze 7 as well. I then told the Fedora Installer to shrink the Windoze partition. Then I installed Fedora (without dual boot). And on Linux I installed VirtualBox and I made Windoze 7 to operate in VirtualBox. This way, I don't need to reboot, but can start Windoze like a Fedora application.
suomi
Can the same be done with xp? If dual boot is used can we choose to boot to linux first without overwriting the MBR. Thanks Roger
Hello Roger,
Yes, this can be done with XP. My wife (who prefers the Debian-based distributions) does exactly that with her minimal ubuntu-based distribution.
Note, however, that XP is no longer supported/updated so stuff will eventually break on that side.
Ranjan
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:55:24 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:45:57 +0200 fedora fedora@ayni.com wrote:
On 2014-06-23 07:10, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Hi,
According to FedEx, my new machine is on a truck speeding to my local distribution center for delivery tomorrow. So hopefully it will be here tomorrow. I had two questions:
- It comes with Windoze 7 (with an upgrade option/disc for W8). Not
sure if I want to wipe it off (ideally, I would have liked to have not paid for it) but I was wondering if I wanted to do a dual boot, is there a set of instructions somewhere that I could follow? I have had no problems with earlier windoze xp unProfessional dual installs, but not with W7 or W8 (have not even seen a machine with this one). I do wonder about keeping an OS I am likely to only use when I am talking to some technical support for some service. Somehow the ones that require contacting technical support always want you to use IE. I bluff my way through on these ones.
- This laptop has touchscreen abilities. While I could in general care
less about this feature, again I did not have an option to get rid of it. So, I wonder if it is possible to use the touchscreen features with Fedora 20?
Am I better off trying CentOS on this machine because of the two questions above? I would however like to stick to Fedora.
Many shanks, Ranjan
Hi Ranjan regarding question 1) I got a PC (Desktop) with fully installed Windoze 7 as well. I then told the Fedora Installer to shrink the Windoze partition. Then I installed Fedora (without dual boot). And on Linux I installed VirtualBox and I made Windoze 7 to operate in VirtualBox. This way, I don't need to reboot, but can start Windoze like a Fedora application.
Thank you! This is a great idea! Are there detailed instructions on how to do this, telling the obscure Fedora installer to shrink the Windoze partition? Can the Windoze partition stay updated?
So, I found this:
http://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/how-to-install-windows-7-in-virtualbox-...
Is this on the lines of what you are suggesting? Even though I have windows on the other partition? Do I need to create this bootable usb?
I would also really like to have 2) answered also if possible.
Thanks, Ranjan
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On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 1:45 AM, fedora fedora@ayni.com wrote:
Hi Ranjan regarding question 1) I got a PC (Desktop) with fully installed Windoze 7 as well. I then told the Fedora Installer to shrink the Windoze partition. Then I installed Fedora (without dual boot). And on Linux I installed VirtualBox and I made Windoze 7 to operate in VirtualBox. This way, I don't need to reboot, but can start Windoze like a Fedora application.
suomi
With one (HUGE) caveat: Running the windows partition under VB causes windows to detect that it is running on a totally different machine than it was installed on and registered with MS. Later when I tried to boot into the windows native partition (Dual Boot), it froze!!!! I had to call MS and tell them about the problem and they issued me a new key - and that allowed me to boot windows natively.
On 06/23/2014 09:57 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Can the same be done with xp?
If dual boot is used can we choose to boot to linux first without overwriting the MBR. Thanks Roger
Hello Roger,
Yes, this can be done with XP. My wife (who prefers the Debian-based distributions) does exactly that with her minimal ubuntu-based distribution.
Note, however, that XP is no longer supported/updated so stuff will eventually break on that side.
Ranjan
Thanks Ranjan The user is keeping windows only as long as it takes to learn ubuntu, More of a comfort zone thing.. Roger
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:45:57 +0200 fedora fedora@ayni.com wrote:
On 2014-06-23 07:10, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
Hi,
According to FedEx, my new machine is on a truck speeding to my local distribution center for delivery tomorrow. So hopefully it will be here tomorrow. I had two questions:
- It comes with Windoze 7 (with an upgrade option/disc for W8). Not
sure if I want to wipe it off (ideally, I would have liked to have not paid for it) but I was wondering if I wanted to do a dual boot, is there a set of instructions somewhere that I could follow? I have had no problems with earlier windoze xp unProfessional dual installs, but not with W7 or W8 (have not even seen a machine with this one). I do wonder about keeping an OS I am likely to only use when I am talking to some technical support for some service. Somehow the ones that require contacting technical support always want you to use IE. I bluff my way through on these ones.
- This laptop has touchscreen abilities. While I could in general care
less about this feature, again I did not have an option to get rid of it. So, I wonder if it is possible to use the touchscreen features with Fedora 20?
Am I better off trying CentOS on this machine because of the two questions above? I would however like to stick to Fedora.
Many shanks, Ranjan
Hi Ranjan regarding question 1) I got a PC (Desktop) with fully installed Windoze 7 as well. I then told the Fedora Installer to shrink the Windoze partition. Then I installed Fedora (without dual boot). And on Linux I installed VirtualBox and I made Windoze 7 to operate in VirtualBox. This way, I don't need to reboot, but can start Windoze like a Fedora application.
So, I first defragmented and then tried to shrink the W7 partition on Windoze. However, the 500 GBib disk is shown as having only 226 GB availability. What is in the rest of it? This is new and I have only logged in, not added anything. What would happen if I used the Fedora Installer (anaconda? ) to shrink? How does one do this without removing/erasing/damaging the partition?
Thanks, Ranjan
suomi
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On 06/23/2014 08:18 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
So, I first defragmented and then tried to shrink the W7 partition on Windoze. However, the 500 GBib disk is shown as having only 226 GB availability. What is in the rest of it? This is new and I have only logged in, not added anything. What would happen if I used the Fedora Installer (anaconda? ) to shrink? How does one do this without removing/erasing/damaging the partition?
My understanding is that it's safer, in general, to shrink ntfs partitions from within Windows. However, you might consider getting a live image of GParted from here: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php making a LiveCD/USB and using that to see just what's on your hard drive and doing whatever shrinking is needed from that first. Anaconda may be able to shrink partitions, but I've never needed to do it and don't know how reliable it is. In any event, please make sure that you have a backup of that partition before you modify it.
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 06/23/2014 08:18 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
So, I first defragmented and then tried to shrink the W7 partition on Windoze. However, the 500 GBib disk is shown as having only 226 GB availability. What is in the rest of it? This is new and I have only logged in, not added anything. What would happen if I used the Fedora Installer (anaconda? ) to shrink? How does one do this without removing/erasing/damaging the partition?
My understanding is that it's safer, in general, to shrink ntfs partitions from within Windows. However, you might consider getting a live image of GParted from here: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php making a LiveCD/USB and using that to see just what's on your hard drive and doing whatever shrinking is needed from that first. Anaconda may be able to shrink partitions, but I've never needed to do it and don't know how reliable it is. In any event, please make sure that you have a backup of that partition before you modify it.
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The only software I have used that CONSISTENTLY and RELIABLY shrunk an NTFS partition to make room for dual boot (installation of another OS), has been ParttionMagic 8.0. Unfortunately, it is only available for win32. It will NOT run on win64. I know, because I tried it!
On win32, it will shrink NTFS to the desired size and fix any dependencies in the bootstrap code and the boot sector. After it finishes, you need to reboot windows for it to complete the operation, and you're done. I have tried Linux based software for shrinking NTFS windows partitions - and windows became unbootable, so that using the windows install DVD to run fixboot and fixmbr did not work at all!!! Was a big loss!!
On 06/24/14 11:46, JD wrote:
The only software I have used that CONSISTENTLY and RELIABLY shrunk an NTFS partition to make room for dual boot (installation of another OS), has been ParttionMagic 8.0. Unfortunately, it is only available for win32. It will NOT run on win64. I know, because I tried it!
Since the OP's system will come with Win7 he may as well just shrink it using the Win7 utilities.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/gg309169.aspx
On 06/23/2014 08:46 PM, JD wrote:
The only software I have used that CONSISTENTLY and RELIABLY shrunk an NTFS partition to make room for dual boot (installation of another OS), has been ParttionMagic 8.0.
Thank you; I've never needed to shrink an ntfs partition, and didn't know what programs to trust although I've had good results with GParted with other file systems.
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:00:33 +0800 Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 06/24/14 11:46, JD wrote:
The only software I have used that CONSISTENTLY and RELIABLY shrunk an NTFS partition to make room for dual boot (installation of another OS), has been ParttionMagic 8.0. Unfortunately, it is only available for win32. It will NOT run on win64. I know, because I tried it!
Since the OP's system will come with Win7 he may as well just shrink it using the Win7 utilities.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/gg309169.aspx
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Hi,
I tried exactly the above but I got a message which says that I can only shrink it to some 226 GB (or something like that). The HD is 500 GB. So where did the rest go? All on Windows? Containing what? I did not fill anything.
Thanks, Ranjan
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 06/23/2014 08:46 PM, JD wrote:
The only software I have used that CONSISTENTLY and RELIABLY shrunk an NTFS partition to make room for dual boot (installation of another
OS),
has been ParttionMagic 8.0.
Thank you; I've never needed to shrink an ntfs partition, and didn't know
what programs to trust although I've had good results with GParted with other file systems.
Certainly you can shrink partitions using gparted, but if the partition happens to be a bootable NTFS partition, then gparted will not work :(
On 06/24/14 12:16, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
I tried exactly the above but I got a message which says that I can only shrink it to some 226 GB (or something like that). The HD is 500 GB. So where did the rest go? All on Windows? Containing what? I did not fill anything.
When you bring up the disk management you'd see a line for each volume. You have a single volume defined on the 500GB drive? What says.... Capacity= Free Space= and %Free
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
On 06/24/14 12:16, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
I tried exactly the above but I got a message which says that I can only shrink it to some 226 GB (or something like that). The HD is 500 GB. So where did the rest go? All on Windows? Containing what? I did not fill anything.
When you bring up the disk management you'd see a line for each volume. You have a single volume defined on the 500GB drive? What says.... Capacity= Free Space= and %Free
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Myself, I have tried the windows built-in partition resizer. It has limited functionality because there are certain files or dirs that are for some reason I do not quite understand yet, are not relocatable to other sectors (blocks :) ). Interesting that an app like PartitionMagic can do it, but windows native partition manager cannot :)
On 06/23/2014 09:30 PM, JD wrote:
It has limited functionality because there are certain files or dirs that are for some reason I do not quite understand yet, are not relocatable to other sectors (blocks :) ).
I don't know if it's still true, but back in the days of DOS and FAT, any file that was Read Only was considered to be unmovable.
Allegedly, on or about 23 June 2014, JD sent:
Certainly you can shrink partitions using gparted, but if the partition happens to be a bootable NTFS partition, then gparted will not work :(
I've done that, it worked fine for me. Perhaps its more to do with your partitioning, than the file system on it?
On 06/24/2014 11:18 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
So, I first defragmented and then tried to shrink the W7 partition on Windoze. However, the 500 GBib disk is shown as having only 226 GB availability. What is in the rest of it? This is new and I have only logged in, not added anything. What would happen if I used the Fedora Installer (anaconda? ) to shrink? How does one do this without removing/erasing/damaging the partition? Thanks, Ranjan
To get more free space, you need to turn off windows system recovery function on that partition.
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:12:39 -0700 Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 06/23/2014 09:30 PM, JD wrote:
It has limited functionality because there are certain files or dirs that are for some reason I do not quite understand yet, are not relocatable to other sectors (blocks :) ).
I don't know if it's still true, but back in the days of DOS and FAT, any file that was Read Only was considered to be unmovable. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
OK, thanks, all! After struggling with this a bit, I have decided to delete Windoze and write away my forced purchase of W7 as a donation to the charity called MS. Life will be so much easier now.
Ranjan
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:24:39 -0500 Ranjan Maitra maitra.mbox.ignored@inbox.com wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:12:39 -0700 Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 06/23/2014 09:30 PM, JD wrote:
It has limited functionality because there are certain files or dirs that are for some reason I do not quite understand yet, are not relocatable to other sectors (blocks :) ).
I don't know if it's still true, but back in the days of DOS and FAT, any file that was Read Only was considered to be unmovable. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
OK, thanks, all! After struggling with this a bit, I have decided to delete Windoze and write away my forced purchase of W7 as a donation to the charity called MS. Life will be so much easier now.
Sorry but I wanted to thank everyone for helping out with their suggestions!
Best wishes, Ranjan
Ranjan
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Allegedly, on or about 24 June 2014, Ranjan Maitra sent:
OK, thanks, all! After struggling with this a bit, I have decided to delete Windoze and write away my forced purchase of W7 as a donation to the charity called MS. Life will be so much easier now.
If you want another challenge, try getting a refund for Windows 7. ;-\
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:36:45 +0930 Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 24 June 2014, Ranjan Maitra sent:
OK, thanks, all! After struggling with this a bit, I have decided to delete Windoze and write away my forced purchase of W7 as a donation to the charity called MS. Life will be so much easier now.
If you want another challenge, try getting a refund for Windows 7. ;-\
:-)
Well, it actually also came with a Windoze 8.1 Update USB.
Ranjan