I am a new user of Linux, I am planning to install Fedora to my computer and I did downloaded Fedora 6.0 but I am planning to upgrade my computer to Intel Core II with E6750 CPU and somebody told me Fedora 6.0 didn't support E6750 CPU and need to download 7.0 version; so I just want to confirm about this before I am upgrade my computer, please somebody can able to help me!
I think I better post the hardware details to see if Fedora 6.0 or 7.0 support those hardware:
Asus Striker Extreme Moterboard 2GB Kit-800(2 X 1GB A Apacer) DDR2 Ram Seagate SATA 250GB Intel (Core 2 Duo) 6750 CPU
I hope someone can able to help me, thank you very much and wish you all have a good day!
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Tong Nelson wrote:
I am a new user of Linux, I am planning to install Fedora to my computer and I did downloaded Fedora 6.0 but I am planning to upgrade my computer to Intel Core II with E6750 CPU and somebody told me Fedora 6.0 didn't support E6750 CPU and need to download 7.0 version; so I just want to confirm about this before I am upgrade my computer, please somebody can able to help me!
I think I better post the hardware details to see if Fedora 6.0 or 7.0 support those hardware:
Asus Striker Extreme Moterboard 2GB Kit-800(2 X 1GB A Apacer) DDR2 Ram Seagate SATA 250GB Intel (Core 2 Duo) 6750 CPU
I hope someone can able to help me, thank you very much and wish you all have a good day!
From Mr.WaiWah (Nelson) Tong
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I know there might be an issue with the new CPU but it should be answered on both FC6 and F7. I suggest you try FC6 and see if it loads up properly. Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD image. If that is a problem then you will need to try FC6 :-)
Karl Larsen wrote:
Tong Nelson wrote:
I am a new user of Linux, I am planning to install Fedora to my computer and I did downloaded Fedora 6.0 but I am planning to upgrade my computer to Intel Core II with E6750 CPU and somebody told me Fedora 6.0 didn't support E6750 CPU and need to download 7.0 version; so I just want to confirm about this before I am upgrade my computer, please somebody can able to help me!
I think I better post the hardware details to see if Fedora 6.0 or 7.0 support those hardware:
Asus Striker Extreme Moterboard 2GB Kit-800(2 X 1GB A Apacer) DDR2 Ram Seagate SATA 250GB Intel (Core 2 Duo) 6750 CPU
I know there might be an issue with the new CPU but it should be answered on both FC6 and F7. I suggest you try FC6 and see if it loads up properly. Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD image. If that is a problem then you will need to try FC6 :-)
The current fedora 6 kernel {not the install dvd} is close to the same version as for fedora 7, so I would expect similar hardware support.
A sure way to check would be to download the rescue iso for either release, write it to CD, and see if it boots OK. You might be able to get someone who already has one to try it, or a retailer who has a demo system with such a motherboard, to let you boot the fedora rescue cd
Other options are to check the hardware compatibility list at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/
DaveT.
On 9/24/07, Karl Larsen k5di@zianet.com wrote:
Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD image. If that is a problem then you will need to try FC6 :-)
That's simply not true. You can install from one of the "Live CD" versions.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora7/FAQ
Chris
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 06:14 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
Tong Nelson wrote:
I am a new user of Linux, I am planning to install Fedora to my computer and I did downloaded Fedora 6.0 but I am planning to upgrade my computer to Intel Core II with E6750 CPU and somebody told me Fedora 6.0 didn't support E6750 CPU and need to download 7.0 version; so I just want to confirm about this before I am upgrade my computer, please somebody can able to help me!
I think I better post the hardware details to see if Fedora 6.0 or 7.0 support those hardware:
Asus Striker Extreme Moterboard 2GB Kit-800(2 X 1GB A Apacer) DDR2 Ram Seagate SATA 250GB Intel (Core 2 Duo) 6750 CPU
I hope someone can able to help me, thank you very much and wish you all have a good day!
From Mr.WaiWah (Nelson) Tong
隨身的 Windows Live Messenger 和 Hotmail，不限時地掌握資訊盡在指間— MSN Mobile http://www.msn.com.tw/msnmobile/%20
I know there might be an issue with the new CPU but it should be answered on both FC6 and F7. I suggest you try FC6 and see if it loads up properly. Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image. that is a problem then you will need to try FC6 :-)
Why do you say things like this Karl, since f7 can be installed from a f7 Live CD.
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On 9/24/07, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 06:14 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
Tong Nelson wrote:
I am a new user of Linux, I am planning to install Fedora to my computer and I did downloaded Fedora 6.0 but I am planning to upgrade my computer to Intel Core II with E6750 CPU and somebody told me Fedora 6.0 didn't support E6750 CPU and need to download 7.0 version; so I just want to confirm about this before I am upgrade my computer, please somebody can able to help me!
I think I better post the hardware details to see if Fedora 6.0 or 7.0 support those hardware:
Asus Striker Extreme Moterboard 2GB Kit-800(2 X 1GB A Apacer) DDR2 Ram Seagate SATA 250GB Intel (Core 2 Duo) 6750 CPU
I hope someone can able to help me, thank you very much and wish you all have a good day!
From Mr.WaiWah (Nelson) Tong
隨身的 Windows Live Messenger 和 Hotmail，不限時地掌握資訊盡在指間― MSN Mobile http://www.msn.com.tw/msnmobile/%20
I know there might be an issue with the new CPU but it should be answered on both FC6 and F7. I suggest you try FC6 and see if it loads up properly. Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image. that is a problem then you will need to try FC6 :-)
Why do you say things like this Karl, since f7 can be installed from a f7 Live CD.
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I'm hungry, time to eat lunch.
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What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available. If you want a set you need to roll your own. So give the guy a break.
Perhaps you can provide the OP with the trade-offs from using a live-CD versus the DVD?
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:03 -0800, Kam Leo wrote:
What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available. If you want a set you need to roll your own. So give the guy a break.
Not quite... You can install FC7 from a non-DVD source, it is possible. Your initial install might have less packages available than the DVD, but that's just the initial stage. You can get CD images, but not from the usual mirrors. It's a third party offering, and *could* be offered with just the same content as the DVD source.
On 9/24/07, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 11:03 -0800, Kam Leo wrote:
What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available. If you want a set you need to roll your own. So give the guy a break.
Not quite... You can install FC7 from a non-DVD source, it is possible. Your initial install might have less packages available than the DVD, but that's just the initial stage. You can get CD images, but not from the usual mirrors. It's a third party offering, and *could* be offered with just the same content as the DVD source.
I should have stipulated "from Fedora" in the above. You knew that. ;-)
Fedora usage is not going to spread if getting access to compatible media is difficult. Since you mentioned a third party, please provide the link(s).
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 12:06 -0800, Kam Leo wrote:
I should have stipulated "from Fedora" in the above. You knew that. ;-)
No, no I didn't. I did *know*, however, that it is entirely possible to install without a DVD, despite a strong assertion to the contrary. That was my quibble.
Fedora usage is not going to spread if getting access to compatible media is difficult. Since you mentioned a third party, please provide the link(s).
I agree that DVD-only is a limiting factor, I encountered that myself. I had to disassemble boxes to temporarily make use of drives from other PCs, as I was unlucky enough to have a box that didn't want to network install at the time.
I'll see if I can find them again, but they've been mentioned on this list. There were some places supplying discs, there were some torrents for them, I recall reading about one or two download sites, and there's ways to spin your own. I'm sure I read a FAQ about this, allowing people stuck in that boat to approach it the way that suited them best.
On 9/24/07, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 2007-09-24 at 12:06 -0800, Kam Leo wrote:
I should have stipulated "from Fedora" in the above. You knew that. ;-)
No, no I didn't. I did *know*, however, that it is entirely possible to install without a DVD, despite a strong assertion to the contrary. That was my quibble.
Strange? My first reply was in response to Aaron's in which he specifically mentioned using the "Live" CD for an install. Perhaps you glossed over it.
Fedora usage is not going to spread if getting access to compatible media is difficult. Since you mentioned a third party, please provide the link(s).
I agree that DVD-only is a limiting factor, I encountered that myself. I had to disassemble boxes to temporarily make use of drives from other PCs, as I was unlucky enough to have a box that didn't want to network install at the time.
I'll see if I can find them again, but they've been mentioned on this list. There were some places supplying discs, there were some torrents for them, I recall reading about one or two download sites, and there's ways to spin your own. I'm sure I read a FAQ about this, allowing people stuck in that boat to approach it the way that suited them best.
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Kam Leo:
Strange? My first reply was in response to Aaron's in which he specifically mentioned using the "Live" CD for an install. Perhaps you glossed over it.
I glossed over nothing. Your unequivocal "there is no non-DVD" response was to Aaron was about Karl Larsen.
Karl: "Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image. that is a problem then you will need to try FC6"
Aaron: "Why do you say things like this Karl, since f7 can be installed from a f7 Live CD."
Kam: "What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available. If you want a set you need to roll your own. So give the guy a break."
That statement, your statement, was *factually* wrong, to use your own words. So was Karl's. Aaron's was correct, but not comprehensive.
A multiple disc CD-ROM set *is* available, albeit not from the same source as the DVD ISO files. And you do *not* have to roll your own, although that is an option.
Stop squirming, you were wrong. You *can* install FC7 from CDs, you can do so just as totally as you can from DVDs, if you want to.
On 9/25/07, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Kam Leo:
Strange? My first reply was in response to Aaron's in which he specifically mentioned using the "Live" CD for an install. Perhaps you glossed over it.
I glossed over nothing. Your unequivocal "there is no non-DVD" response was to Aaron was about Karl Larsen.
Karl: "Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image. that is a problem then you will need to try FC6"
Aaron: "Why do you say things like this Karl, since f7 can be installed from a f7 Live CD."
Kam: "What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available. If you want a set you need to roll your own. So give the guy a break."
That statement, your statement, was *factually* wrong, to use your own words. So was Karl's. Aaron's was correct, but not comprehensive.
Your interpretations of what Karl and I wrote are way off base. Neither of us said you can not install from a "Live" CD. Neither of us said that the DVD was the only way to install F7.
A multiple disc CD-ROM set *is* available, albeit not from the same source as the DVD ISO files. And you do *not* have to roll your own, although that is an option.
You wrote that before. Where? Link(s) please.
Stop squirming, you were wrong. You *can* install FC7 from CDs, you can do so just as totally as you can from DVDs, if you want to.
I'm not squirming. ;-) I'm patiently waiting for the link(s).
Kam Leo:
Your interpretations of what Karl and I wrote are way off base.
No, they're *exactly* what you said. Not an interpretation.
Neither of us said you can not install from a "Live" CD. Neither of us said that the DVD was the only way to install F7.
Before you were not arguing about live CDs, and I didn't mention live CDs. The point I brought up was that you (both) said you could only install from a DVD. You're trying to skirt the issue again. What do you not understand about the words "only" and "not available"?
Karl: "Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image."
Kam: "What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available."
Karl proclaimed you can only install from a DVD, you backed him up. There is no other interpretation of those words. If you meant something else, you certainly didn't say it.
If you bothered looking in the obvious place [1], never mind using Google, you'd find at least one way to get install CDs that you don't have to roll your own [2]. The subject has been brought up on this list quite a few times, before. If you look further, yourself, you'll most likely find others, too.
1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora7/FAQ 2: http://fedora.kanarip.com/torrents/
Heading off the next daft diversion: The official DVD isn't the same as what's available in the repos, it's only a small subset. A CD version doesn't have to be an exact equivelent of the DVD install ISO for you to install Fedora 7.
Tim wrote:
Kam Leo:
Your interpretations of what Karl and I wrote are way off base.
No, they're *exactly* what you said. Not an interpretation.
Neither of us said you can not install from a "Live" CD. Neither of us said that the DVD was the only way to install F7.
Before you were not arguing about live CDs, and I didn't mention live CDs. The point I brought up was that you (both) said you could only install from a DVD. You're trying to skirt the issue again. What do you not understand about the words "only" and "not available"?
Karl: "Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image."
Kam: "What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available."
Karl proclaimed you can only install from a DVD, you backed him up. There is no other interpretation of those words. If you meant something else, you certainly didn't say it.
If you bothered looking in the obvious place [1], never mind using Google, you'd find at least one way to get install CDs that you don't have to roll your own [2]. The subject has been brought up on this list quite a few times, before. If you look further, yourself, you'll most likely find others, too.
1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora7/FAQ 2: http://fedora.kanarip.com/torrents/
Heading off the next daft diversion: The official DVD isn't the same as what's available in the repos, it's only a small subset. A CD version doesn't have to be an exact equivelent of the DVD install ISO for you to install Fedora 7.
Add to that that you can just get the rescue CD image, and use that to do a network install. You can put the DVD image on the hard drive, and install from that. Do you really want to get into the more exotic install methods? Remember, you can install Fedora on a machine that does not have an optical drive. (PXE boot, USB "pen drive" boot, etc.)
Mikkel
On 9/26/07, Mikkel L. Ellertson mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
Tim wrote:
Kam Leo:
Your interpretations of what Karl and I wrote are way off base.
No, they're *exactly* what you said. Not an interpretation.
Neither of us said you can not install from a "Live" CD. Neither of us said that the DVD was the only way to install F7.
Before you were not arguing about live CDs, and I didn't mention live CDs. The point I brought up was that you (both) said you could only install from a DVD. You're trying to skirt the issue again. What do you not understand about the words "only" and "not available"?
Karl: "Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image."
Kam: "What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available."
Karl proclaimed you can only install from a DVD, you backed him up. There is no other interpretation of those words. If you meant something else, you certainly didn't say it.
If you bothered looking in the obvious place [1], never mind using Google, you'd find at least one way to get install CDs that you don't have to roll your own [2]. The subject has been brought up on this list quite a few times, before. If you look further, yourself, you'll most likely find others, too.
1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora7/FAQ 2: http://fedora.kanarip.com/torrents/
Heading off the next daft diversion: The official DVD isn't the same as what's available in the repos, it's only a small subset. A CD version doesn't have to be an exact equivelent of the DVD install ISO for you to install Fedora 7.
Add to that that you can just get the rescue CD image, and use that to do a network install. You can put the DVD image on the hard drive, and install from that. Do you really want to get into the more exotic install methods? Remember, you can install Fedora on a machine that does not have an optical drive. (PXE boot, USB "pen drive" boot, etc.)
Mikkel
Hi, Mikkel.
You're late to the discussion. Tim believes it is not about installation methods but it is not. Please join in. In case you missed it here's a quick recap:
1. Nelson was concerned whether FC6 supported his Intel processor. He said he was told that F7 provided support.
2. Karl replied, recommending the F7 DVD.
3. Aaron replied, dissing Karl, and said F7 can be installed from a Live CD.
4. I responded to Aaron's post and told him to stop dissing Karl. I stated that Karl who may not have properly conveyed the thought is factually correct. My interpretation of what Karl posted is "For F7 go with the DVD because unlike previous releases a CD-ROM set does not exist." I further stated that if you want the DVD equivalent you have to roll your own set of CD-ROMs.
5. Tim took issue with the statement regarding rolling your own set. Tim agrees that Fedora does not offer such a set but that a set is available from a third party. (I'm still waiting for a link, Tim.) I really don't know where Tim got the impression that either Karl or I said that F7 could only be installed using a DVD. Neither of us stated such thing.
This thread began as a media recommendation for F7. It was never about installation method. For some reason Tim believes that it is. What the heck, I like diversions!
Kam Leo wrote:
Hi, Mikkel.
You're late to the discussion. Tim believes it is not about installation methods but it is not. Please join in. In case you missed it here's a quick recap:
No, I just didn't feel like commenting.
- Nelson was concerned whether FC6 supported his Intel processor. He
said he was told that F7 provided support.
- Karl replied, recommending the F7 DVD.
Not accurate - he said that you could only do a DVD install. Then again, I guess CD and DVD installs are the only methods he knows about, and he doesn't know about the live CDs.
- Aaron replied, dissing Karl, and said F7 can be installed from a Live CD.
Karl deserves it - between incomplete answers, Telling people they are wrong when he doesn't understand what is being talked about, and his blog-type posts, he is not an asset to the mailing list. He tries to come across as an expert when he knows almost nothing about the subject. I think the worst part is that he does not know how the gaps in his knowledge make his statements false, and his advice almost useless. (I can give examples, if you want.) Add to that his blaming everything on the piece of software he is currently trying to understand, and it is almost funny. His intentions may be good, but his following his advice can be dangerous.
- I responded to Aaron's post and told him to stop dissing Karl. I
stated that Karl who may not have properly conveyed the thought is factually correct. My interpretation of what Karl posted is "For F7 go with the DVD because unlike previous releases a CD-ROM set does not exist." I further stated that if you want the DVD equivalent you have to roll your own set of CD-ROMs.
If the way he conveyed the though leads people to the wrong conclusion, then the answer is wrong. If nobody corrects him, then he will continue to give this type of answer. On the other hand, correcting Karl usually leads to personal attacks on the person doing the correcting. I have noticed some people are giving him short answers without explaining the answer. Maybe trying to show Karl what is wrong with his answers. It does not seem to be working.
- Tim took issue with the statement regarding rolling your own set.
Tim agrees that Fedora does not offer such a set but that a set is available from a third party. (I'm still waiting for a link, Tim.) I really don't know where Tim got the impression that either Karl or I said that F7 could only be installed using a DVD. Neither of us stated such thing.
This thread began as a media recommendation for F7. It was never about installation method. For some reason Tim believes that it is. What the heck, I like diversions!
What is the difference between a media recommendation and install methods? Unless you are talking about what type of DVD-R to use, how to burn it, or the advantages/disadvantages of burning your own verses buying a copy, you are talking about install methods.
If your description of what Karl said was accurate, then he was recommending an install method. But the way he worded it, it sounded like a DVD install was the only install method. So is the problem that Karl is ignorant of other install methods, or that he is not articulate enough to make his point clearly enough that he is not misunderstood? It is a problem in ether case.
In any case, I usually ignore Karl's threads, and his problems. It is not worth putting up with his personal attacks, and his refusal to entertain the idea that his assumptions may be wrong. Any advice that does not go along with he current idea of what is wrong is bad advice... If Karl want to act like he knows it all, he can fix his own problems.
Mikkel
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Kam Leo wrote:
Hi, Mikkel.
You're late to the discussion. Tim believes it is not about installation methods but it is not. Please join in. In case you missed it here's a quick recap:
No, I just didn't feel like commenting.
- Nelson was concerned whether FC6 supported his Intel processor. He
said he was told that F7 provided support.
- Karl replied, recommending the F7 DVD.
Not accurate - he said that you could only do a DVD install. Then again, I guess CD and DVD installs are the only methods he knows about, and he doesn't know about the live CDs.
- Aaron replied, dissing Karl, and said F7 can be installed from a Live CD.
Karl deserves it - between incomplete answers, Telling people they are wrong when he doesn't understand what is being talked about, and his blog-type posts, he is not an asset to the mailing list. He tries to come across as an expert when he knows almost nothing about the subject. I think the worst part is that he does not know how the gaps in his knowledge make his statements false, and his advice almost useless. (I can give examples, if you want.) Add to that his blaming everything on the piece of software he is currently trying to understand, and it is almost funny. His intentions may be good, but his following his advice can be dangerous.
- I responded to Aaron's post and told him to stop dissing Karl. I
stated that Karl who may not have properly conveyed the thought is factually correct. My interpretation of what Karl posted is "For F7 go with the DVD because unlike previous releases a CD-ROM set does not exist." I further stated that if you want the DVD equivalent you have to roll your own set of CD-ROMs.
If the way he conveyed the though leads people to the wrong conclusion, then the answer is wrong. If nobody corrects him, then he will continue to give this type of answer. On the other hand, correcting Karl usually leads to personal attacks on the person doing the correcting. I have noticed some people are giving him short answers without explaining the answer. Maybe trying to show Karl what is wrong with his answers. It does not seem to be working.
- Tim took issue with the statement regarding rolling your own set.
Tim agrees that Fedora does not offer such a set but that a set is available from a third party. (I'm still waiting for a link, Tim.) I really don't know where Tim got the impression that either Karl or I said that F7 could only be installed using a DVD. Neither of us stated such thing.
This thread began as a media recommendation for F7. It was never about installation method. For some reason Tim believes that it is. What the heck, I like diversions!
What is the difference between a media recommendation and install methods? Unless you are talking about what type of DVD-R to use, how to burn it, or the advantages/disadvantages of burning your own verses buying a copy, you are talking about install methods.
If your description of what Karl said was accurate, then he was recommending an install method. But the way he worded it, it sounded like a DVD install was the only install method. So is the problem that Karl is ignorant of other install methods, or that he is not articulate enough to make his point clearly enough that he is not misunderstood? It is a problem in ether case.
In any case, I usually ignore Karl's threads, and his problems. It is not worth putting up with his personal attacks, and his refusal to entertain the idea that his assumptions may be wrong. Any advice that does not go along with he current idea of what is wrong is bad advice... If Karl want to act like he knows it all, he can fix his own problems.
Mikkel
And his never wrong, always right super man Mikkel just loves to run down other people. If it makes him feel good then fine.
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 22:09 -0700, Kam Leo wrote:
On 9/26/07, Mikkel L. Ellertson mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
Tim wrote:
If you bothered looking in the obvious place [1], never mind using Google, you'd find at least one way to get install CDs that you don't have to roll your own [2]. The subject has been brought up on this list quite a few times, before. If you look further, yourself, you'll most likely find others, too.
1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora7/FAQ 2: http://fedora.kanarip.com/torrents/
[ much snip ]
(I'm still waiting for a link, Tim.)
You *quoted* the link, Kam.
On 9/27/07, Alan M. Evans fedoralist@alanevans.org wrote:
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 22:09 -0700, Kam Leo wrote:
On 9/26/07, Mikkel L. Ellertson mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
Tim wrote:
If you bothered looking in the obvious place [1], never mind using Google, you'd find at least one way to get install CDs that you don't have to roll your own [2]. The subject has been brought up on this list quite a few times, before. If you look further, yourself, you'll most likely find others, too.
1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora7/FAQ 2: http://fedora.kanarip.com/torrents/
[ much snip ]
(I'm still waiting for a link, Tim.)
You *quoted* the link, Kam.
All I saw initially were the 14 CD "Everything" and the various architecture torrents. The CD torrent did not have any descriptive meaning. (Labeling it CD1-CD4 would have clarified what was included.) The 4 CD disc equivalent of the DVD was inside the CD directory. (A table of contents text file in the main directory would be a nice touch.)
Thank you.
On 9/27/07, Kam Leo kam.leo@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/27/07, Alan M. Evans fedoralist@alanevans.org wrote:
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 22:09 -0700, Kam Leo wrote:
On 9/26/07, Mikkel L. Ellertson mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
Tim wrote:
If you bothered looking in the obvious place [1], never mind using Google, you'd find at least one way to get install CDs that you don't have to roll your own [2]. The subject has been brought up on this list quite a few times, before. If you look further, yourself, you'll most likely find others, too.
1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora7/FAQ 2: http://fedora.kanarip.com/torrents/
[ much snip ]
(I'm still waiting for a link, Tim.)
You *quoted* the link, Kam.
All I saw initially were the 14 CD "Everything" and the various architecture torrents. The CD torrent did not have any descriptive meaning. (Labeling it CD1-CD4 would have clarified what was included.) The 4 CD disc equivalent of the DVD was inside the CD directory. (A table of contents text file in the main directory would be a nice touch.)
Thank you.
P.S. I have been visiting http://torrent.fedoraunity.org/spins off and on since F7 was released. Only found links to the FC6 re-spin torrents. It is really depressing to have to find news about the project's spins via another site's FAQ.
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:19 -0800, Kam Leo wrote:
P.S. I have been visiting http://torrent.fedoraunity.org/spins off and on since F7 was released. Only found links to the FC6 re-spin torrents. It is really depressing to have to find news about the project's spins via another site's FAQ.
If you also on the Fedora announce list, you would have received this message at some time over the last day or so:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-September/msg00004.html
"The Fedora Unity Project is proud to announce the release of new ISO Re-Spins (DVD and CD Sets) of Fedora 7..."
On 9/29/07, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 10:19 -0800, Kam Leo wrote:
P.S. I have been visiting http://torrent.fedoraunity.org/spins off and on since F7 was released. Only found links to the FC6 re-spin torrents. It is really depressing to have to find news about the project's spins via another site's FAQ.
If you also on the Fedora announce list, you would have received this message at some time over the last day or so:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2007-September/msg00004.html
"The Fedora Unity Project is proud to announce the release of new ISO Re-Spins (DVD and CD Sets) of Fedora 7..."
I do not subscribe to the fedora-announce list.
Well, someone at Unity finally updated the web page. I clicked on the Unity spins link and found a page with the following:
"Fedora Unity Re-Spin 20070912 — by jon — last modified Sep 28, 2007 02:09 PM This is the jigdo for the 20070912 i386, x86_64 and source DVDs plus the i386 and x86_64 CD sets."
Can you tell from the description that the re-spin is for F7? I couldn't. I had to click on "Fedora Unity Re-Spin 20070912" to find out.
Personally, I would not use this jigdo link. Here's why:
http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/fedora-unity-7-20070912.jigdo/at_download... "This is the jigdo for the 20070912 i386, x86_64 and source DVDs plus the i386 and x86_64 CD sets."
If I recall correctly using this jigdo file would be a whole hog or nothing proposition.They could have created jigdo files for subsets of the re-spin, e.g. i386 DVD, x86_64 DVD, i386 CD set, etc.
There is still no link on the Unity site to http://fedora.kanarip.com/torrents/ just to the official Fedora torrents.
Anyone know if a torrent is available for this re-spin?
Kam Leo wrote:
I do not subscribe to the fedora-announce list.
Well, someone at Unity finally updated the web page. I clicked on the Unity spins link and found a page with the following:
"Fedora Unity Re-Spin 20070912 — by jon — last modified Sep 28, 2007 02:09 PM This is the jigdo for the 20070912 i386, x86_64 and source DVDs plus the i386 and x86_64 CD sets."
Can you tell from the description that the re-spin is for F7? I couldn't. I had to click on "Fedora Unity Re-Spin 20070912" to find out.
Personally, I would not use this jigdo link. Here's why:
http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/fedora-unity-7-20070912.jigdo/at_download... "This is the jigdo for the 20070912 i386, x86_64 and source DVDs plus the i386 and x86_64 CD sets."
If I recall correctly using this jigdo file would be a whole hog or nothing proposition.They could have created jigdo files for subsets of the re-spin, e.g. i386 DVD, x86_64 DVD, i386 CD set, etc.
If you haven't used jigdo before, please don't complain about how it works badly. I just used it (for the first time) to build the i386 and x86_64 DVDs. Each builds, one at a time. I used the original F7 ISOs as a starting point, mounted them on my system, and ran jigdo, selected the i386 ISO, pointed it at my mounted i386 DVD, and let it run. It took about 2 hours to download the 560 some changed RPMs, and created a new ISO image for me. *THEN* I was able to select the x86_64 DVD, and do the same thing for the almost 800 RPMs. I let this one run and some 3 hours later, I burned it as well. (Was there some overlap of the changed RPMs between the 2? probably, its not perfect, and doesn't remember what was already downloaded for a previous disk. Could it have? Maybe, I'm not sure, I haven't used it enough to proclaim myself an expert in it.) What I *did* find lacking was the documentation. It was written by people who had been using it probably for some time, and while it did a good job of telling you what dependencies you needed installed, it did a lousy job of showing you examples of running it. I guess its par for the course today where everyone who writes new programs just assumes you'll just jump in and run it and figure it all out on your own. But, that's my experience with it.
Would a torrent have done just as well? Maybe, but it would've downloaded the entire 2.9 and 3.4 GB ISO images for both, not just the changed RPMs.
Did I build any of the other 14 or so options? No, but interestingly enough, 5 CD sets were some of the choices, as were the SRPMS. I didn't want them, I didn't have to download them.
The .jigdo file isn't much more than a structured text file listing the RPM contents of each disk. Comparing this list to a local repo structure allows it to figure out what's changed and only download those changed RPMs and rebuilds the ISO, then verifies the result against a known good checksum.
There is still no link on the Unity site to http://fedora.kanarip.com/torrents/ just to the official Fedora torrents.
Anyone know if a torrent is available for this re-spin?
Given how jigdo works, I don't think they plan on ever providing one. If all their server has to do is serve up the much smaller .jigdo file, and then put the entire download load on the updates mirrors. You are free to edit your .jigdo files to specify whatever mirrors you wish to choose to, or use the default list they provide. My experience is that the default servers weren't as fast as some of the ones tried for the "missing" RPMs after the first pass. But I had no way of knowing that up front.
Of course, YMMV
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 22:09 -0700, Kam Leo wrote:
- Karl replied, recommending the F7 DVD.
No, Karl replied, saying that there wasn't any way to do it other than with the DVD. As I quoted:
Karl: "Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image."
That was not a recommendation, or some other form of assistance, it was an unequivocal (incorrect, as it was) statement that it was *only* available as a DVD.
'twasn't meant as an attack on Karl for that issue, he just made one erroneous statement about it. I just quoted it. Aaron questioned it. You, on the other hand, tried to leap to Karl's defense, and compounded things by continuing to try and say that he said something else.
Read what he said, read it now. There's only one message in that statement, it's not open to interpretation. He didn't say that Fedora (Red Hat) only provides it as a DVD, he said something else.
Add to that that you can just get the rescue CD image, and use that to do a network install. You can put the DVD image on the hard drive, and install from that. Do you really want to get into the more exotic install methods? Remember, you can install Fedora on a machine that does not have an optical drive. (PXE boot, USB "pen drive" boot, etc.)
Mikkel
Agreed. The only CD I ever use is the boot cd, I've never used an actual DVD to install.
~Aldo.
On 9/27/07, Aldo Foot lunixer@gmail.com wrote:
Add to that that you can just get the rescue CD image, and use that to do a network install. You can put the DVD image on the hard drive, and install from that. Do you really want to get into the more exotic install methods? Remember, you can install Fedora on a machine that does not have an optical drive. (PXE boot, USB "pen drive" boot, etc.)
Mikkel
Agreed. The only CD I ever use is the boot cd, I've never used an actual DVD to install.
~Aldo.
Works when you have the networking bandwidth, i.e. high download quota (10s of GB per month) and speed megabits vs. Hz.
I haven't tried this recently. If I recall, each boot/rescue CD is specific to a given release. So if I boot an older release rescue CD (e.g. FC3), type "askmethod", select NFS, and point the URL to a F7 repository the install would fail. Does that problem still exist? Would be nice if there was a reusable network installer CD. It would keep old CDs from filling the landfills.
Kam Leo wrote:
On 9/27/07, Aldo Foot lunixer@gmail.com wrote:
The only CD I ever use is the boot cd, I've never used an actual DVD to install.
~Aldo.
Works when you have the networking bandwidth, i.e. high download quota (10s of GB per month) and speed megabits vs. Hz.
If you are installing a single system, it should not make a difference in the download quote, and may even help, because you will not be downloading packages you are not going to install, as you most likely would if you downloaded the DVD and installed from that. On the other hand, if you have more then one Linux box, you should consider having one host the DVD image, and a local repo with the updates, and install from the local network. I have not measured it, but it feels like a network install from a local server is faster then a DVD install. Things like network speed, and server load, or DVD drive speed would have an effect on the install speed.
The fastest, if you are deploying several identical machines, would be to do a full install on the first one, and then clone the drive. There is some interesting software to let you clone over the network...
Mikkel
On 9/27/07, Mikkel L. Ellertson mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
Kam Leo wrote:
On 9/27/07, Aldo Foot lunixer@gmail.com wrote:
The only CD I ever use is the boot cd, I've never used an actual DVD to install.
~Aldo.
Works when you have the networking bandwidth, i.e. high download quota (10s of GB per month) and speed megabits vs. Hz.
If you are installing a single system, it should not make a difference in the download quote, and may even help, because you will not be downloading packages you are not going to install, as you most likely would if you downloaded the DVD and installed from that. On the other hand, if you have more then one Linux box, you should consider having one host the DVD image, and a local repo with the updates, and install from the local network. I have not measured it, but it feels like a network install from a local server is faster then a DVD install. Things like network speed, and server load, or DVD drive speed would have an effect on the install speed.
With the exception of creating a local repository I've used the above installation methods (previous releases and other distros). For me the biggest advantages of using a network install are avoidance of CD/DVD drive compatibility issues and disc shuffling.
The fastest, if you are deploying several identical machines, would be to do a full install on the first one, and then clone the drive.
For Windows machines Ghost and similar utilities allow you to clone to different sized drives and/or partitions. Can the open software counterpart(s) do the same?
There is some interesting software to let you clone over the network...
The corporate version of Ghost already does that. Have not tried using it on a ext3 partition.
Mikkel
Kam Leo wrote:
On 9/27/07, Mikkel L. Ellertson mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
The fastest, if you are deploying several identical machines, would be to do a full install on the first one, and then clone the drive.
For Windows machines Ghost and similar utilities allow you to clone to different sized drives and/or partitions. Can the open software counterpart(s) do the same?
parted will do this. It works well with 2 drives in the same machine. I am not sure about g4l, but I think it will as well.
There is some interesting software to let you clone over the network...
The corporate version of Ghost already does that. Have not tried using it on a ext3 partition.
If I remember right, the newer versions do support it.
Mikkel
On 9/26/07, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Kam Leo:
Your interpretations of what Karl and I wrote are way off base.
No, they're *exactly* what you said. Not an interpretation.
Neither of us said you can not install from a "Live" CD. Neither of us said that the DVD was the only way to install F7.
Before you were not arguing about live CDs, and I didn't mention live CDs. The point I brought up was that you (both) said you could only install from a DVD. You're trying to skirt the issue again. What do you not understand about the words "only" and "not available"?
Karl: "Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image."
Kam: "What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available."
Karl proclaimed you can only install from a DVD, you backed him up. There is no other interpretation of those words. If you meant something else, you certainly didn't say it.
If you bothered looking in the obvious place [1], never mind using Google, you'd find at least one way to get install CDs that you don't have to roll your own [2]. The subject has been brought up on this list quite a few times, before. If you look further, yourself, you'll most likely find others, too.
1: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora7/FAQ 2: http://fedora.kanarip.com/torrents/
Heading off the next daft diversion: The official DVD isn't the same as what's available in the repos, it's only a small subset. A CD version doesn't have to be an exact equivelent of the DVD install ISO for you to install Fedora 7.
The "Everthing" repository is the merger of Core and Extras. No Fedora release provided the packages from Fedora Extras in iso format. The iso images have always been the "Core" packages so what you referenced has no merit. Karl and I are comparing the F7 iso images to previous releases. For example in FC5 and F6 you could get the same packages on multiple CD-ROMs as on DVD. There is no equivalent for F7.
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 12:53 +0930, Tim wrote:
Kam Leo:
Your interpretations of what Karl and I wrote are way off base.
No, they're *exactly* what you said. Not an interpretation.
Neither of us said you can not install from a "Live" CD. Neither of us said that the DVD was the only way to install F7.
Before you were not arguing about live CDs, and I didn't mention live CDs. The point I brought up was that you (both) said you could only install from a DVD. You're trying to skirt the issue again. What do you not understand about the words "only" and "not available"?
Karl: "Be advised that F7 is only available in a DVD 7image."
Kam: "What Karl stated is factual. A multiple CD-ROM disc equivalent of the F7 DVD is not offered or available.
Karl proclaimed you can only install from a DVD, you backed him up. There is no other interpretation of those words. If you meant something else, you certainly didn't say it.
All this reminds me of an old joke about Microsoft. I will not tell the joke but the essence was explanations from Microsoft were often strictly true but not useful. That was the problem with Karl's original statement. Having to diagram a statement to determine its validity is not useful for productive communication. -- ======================================================================= Portable, adj.: Survives system reboot. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
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