Change of Intel to AMD motherboard

[Rick Lim]

Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want to move
it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make this run on the AMD
motherboard.

Thanks.

[Marc M]

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Lim 
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:08:29 -0700
Subject: Change of Intel to AMD motherboard
To: Fedora List

Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want
to move it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make this run on the AMD
motherboard.

Thanks.

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Not without knowing the specs of the motherboard.   ARe you absolutely
sure that this mb supports AMD chips?  Look for it in the
documentation, regardless of if the chip fits in the slot.  If my
alzheimers hadn't kicked in, I would remember for sure, but I think
that AMD has to have an AMD type slot (i forget the numbers it been a
while).

Once you get the hardware going, it is my understanding that,
chip-wise, AMD is basically something that is seen as very similar to
Intel by most operating systems.  So it sounds like you have a
hardware problem without knowing more specifics.   Also try
tomshardware.com or google for the right url, tom's will let you look
up the parts for hardware compatibility.

HTH,
linuxr

bottom-posted for your viewing pleasure....

[James Wilkinson]

Rick Lim wrote:
> Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want
> to move it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make this run on the AMD
> motherboard.

linux r wrote:
> Not without knowing the specs of the motherboard.   ARe you absolutely
> sure that this mb supports AMD chips?  Look for it in the
> documentation, regardless of if the chip fits in the slot.  If my
> alzheimers hadn't kicked in, I would remember for sure, but I think
> that AMD has to have an AMD type slot (i forget the numbers it been a
> while).
>
> Once you get the hardware going, it is my understanding that,
> chip-wise, AMD is basically something that is seen as very similar to
> Intel by most operating systems.  So it sounds like you have a
> hardware problem without knowing more specifics.   Also try
> tomshardware.com or google for the right url, tom's will let you look
> up the parts for hardware compatibility.

Sounds about right to me. Rick, when you say you swapped motherboards,
you do mean that you swapped the motherboard, the processor, AND the
heatsink and fan for something the K6-2 supports?

How far through the boot does it get?

You did just take the hard drive from the old system and put it in the
new one.

I'm guessing that there's some sort of hardware compatibility problem.
Can you get either Tom's Root Boot (www.toms.net/rb) or Knoppix, and
make sure that they boot?

What were the CPU and motherboard doing before you swapped them in, and
have they been unused for any length of time?

James.

[Tom Mitchell]

On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 01:15:20PM +0100, James Wilkinson wrote:
> Rick Lim wrote:
> > Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want
> > to move it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.
> linux r wrote:
> > Not without knowing the specs of the motherboard.   ARe you absolutely
> > sure that this mb supports....

....
> you do mean that you swapped the motherboard, the processor, AND the
> heatsink and fan for something the K6-2 supports?
>
> How far through the boot does it get?

Can you configure the BIOS?

You should see the memory test and the opportunity
to press 'del' to enter BIOS config....

If you can get to the BIOS setup, what devices are listed in the 'boot
from' list.

Can you boot the #1 install CDROM disc (or rescue)?

If you cannot get to the BIOS setup it is not a Fedora 
problem.

[Jon Savage]

> > > Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want
> > > to move it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.
> > linux r wrote:
> > > Not without knowing the specs of the motherboard.   ARe you absolutely
> > > sure that this mb supports....
>
> ....
> > you do mean that you swapped the motherboard, the processor, AND the
> > heatsink and fan for something the K6-2 supports?
> >
> > How far through the boot does it get?
>
> Can you configure the BIOS?
>
> You should see the memory test and the opportunity
> to press 'del' to enter BIOS config....
>
> If you can get to the BIOS setup, what devices are listed in the 'boot
> from' list.
>
> Can you boot the #1 install CDROM disc (or rescue)?
>
> If you cannot get to the BIOS setup it is not a Fedora
> problem.

It sounds as if the OP moved the HDD w/ the working install from one
system to another perhaps?
If so that could be part of the problem although Linux is said to deal
with that far better than say XP does.

[Scot L. Harris]

On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 16:27, Jon Savage wrote:
> It sounds as if the OP moved the HDD w/ the working install from one
> system to another perhaps?
> If so that could be part of the problem although Linux is said to deal
> with that far better than say XP does.

Have done this several times.  As long as the motherboards have the
equivalent processors moving the harddrive to a new system works well. 
About the only problem I have had is with an FC2 system where I had to
manually modify the xorg.conf for the correct video card type.  Other
systems this worked without problem.

[Rick Lim]

Scot are you saying that you have taken a working disk off of an Intel
motherboard and put it on an AMD motherboard and had it work?

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
On Behalf Of Scot L. Harris
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 5:26 PM
To: For users of Fedora Core releases
Subject: Re: Change of Intel to AMD motherboard

On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 16:27, Jon Savage wrote:
> It sounds as if the OP moved the HDD w/ the working install from one
> system to another perhaps?
> If so that could be part of the problem although Linux is said to deal
> with that far better than say XP does.

Have done this several times.  As long as the motherboards have the
equivalent processors moving the harddrive to a new system works well. 
About the only problem I have had is with an FC2 system where I had to
manually modify the xorg.conf for the correct video card type.  Other
systems this worked without problem.

[Fritz Whittington]

On or about 2004-09-27 15:27, Jon Savage whipped out a trusty #2 pencil 
and scribbled:
> > > > Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want
> > > > to move it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.
> > >
> > > linux r wrote:
> > > > Not without knowing the specs of the motherboard.   ARe you absolutely
> > > > sure that this mb supports....
> >
> > ....
> > > you do mean that you swapped the motherboard, the processor, AND the
> > > heatsink and fan for something the K6-2 supports?
> > >
> > > How far through the boot does it get?
> >
> > Can you configure the BIOS?
> >
> > You should see the memory test and the opportunity
> > to press 'del' to enter BIOS config....
> >
> > If you can get to the BIOS setup, what devices are listed in the 'boot
> > from' list.
> >
> > Can you boot the #1 install CDROM disc (or rescue)?
> >
> > If you cannot get to the BIOS setup it is not a Fedora
> > problem.
>
> It sounds as if the OP moved the HDD w/ the working install from one
> system to another perhaps?
> If so that could be part of the problem although Linux is said to deal
> with that far better than say XP does.

If his Intel MB has a Pentium II CPU, that's an i686, and the 
appropriate kernel code would have been installed.  But the AMD K6-2 is 
an i586, I believe.

[Jim Higson]

On Monday 27 Sep 2004 08:08, Rick Lim wrote:
> Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want to
> move it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make this run on the AMD
> motherboard.

I've done a similar thing a few times with no problems,

Binaries from the main repositories are all i386, so unless you've been 
installing packages specially compiled for your system I doubt there'll be a 
problem there.

How far does it get when you try to boot it?

[Fritz Whittington]

On or about 2004-09-28 07:57, Jim Higson whipped out a trusty #2 pencil 
and scribbled:
> On Monday 27 Sep 2004 08:08, Rick Lim wrote:
> > Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want to
> > move it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make this run on the AMD
> > motherboard.
>
> I've done a similar thing a few times with no problems,
>
> Binaries from the main repositories are all i386, so unless you've been 
> installing packages specially compiled for your system I doubt there'll be a 
> problem there.

Almost, but not quite, true.  If you look at the files on the first 
distribution CD, you'll notice that there are two sets of kernels, smp 
and not-smp.  Each set has a 586 and a 686 version.  The appropriate one 
will be installed.

If you have a Pentium II or higher, then the 686 version will be 
installed.  If you then move that drive to a machine which only has the 
586 instruction set, it's not going to work.

[Rick Lim]

I installed the 586 kernel package from the CD's and got further into the
boot, now it gets past the initrd portion and stops/hangs at the redhat nash
portion.

I'm further along but not quite there yet.

Any more ideas?

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
On Behalf Of Fritz Whittington
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:52 AM
To: [e-mail]; For users of Fedora Core releases
Subject: Re: Change of Intel to AMD motherboard

On or about 2004-09-28 07:57, Jim Higson whipped out a trusty #2 pencil 
and scribbled:
> On Monday 27 Sep 2004 08:08, Rick Lim wrote:
> > Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want to
> > move it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make this run on the AMD
> > motherboard.
>
> I've done a similar thing a few times with no problems,
>
> Binaries from the main repositories are all i386, so unless you've been 
> installing packages specially compiled for your system I doubt there'll be

a
> problem there.

Almost, but not quite, true.  If you look at the files on the first 
distribution CD, you'll notice that there are two sets of kernels, smp 
and not-smp.  Each set has a 586 and a 686 version.  The appropriate one 
will be installed.

If you have a Pentium II or higher, then the 686 version will be 
installed.  If you then move that drive to a machine which only has the 
586 instruction set, it's not going to work.

[Josiah Royse]

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:01:11 -0700, Rick Lim  wrote:
> I installed the 586 kernel package from the CD's and got further into the
> Any more ideas?

I would use this command to find mis-matched types of RPMs i586/i686

rpm --queryformat=%{NAME}-%{ARCH} -qa

They might be glibc packages that don't match, for example.

Good luck!

-Josiah

SOLVED: Change of Intel to AMD motherboard

[Rick Lim]

After fooling around with the grub command line
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.5-1.358 ro root=LABEL=/ rhgb quiet
and changing it to
kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.5-1.358 ro root=LABEL=/
it finally booted and stopped at the freeing XXX memory portion, then after
a bit of searching on the net I loaded the 386 version of glibc and it
finally booted all the way, still have other minor problems but at least it
booted all the way.

Thanks to all that helped.

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
On Behalf Of Rick Lim
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 6:01 AM
To: 'For users of Fedora Core releases'
Subject: RE: Change of Intel to AMD motherboard

I installed the 586 kernel package from the CD's and got further into the
boot, now it gets past the initrd portion and stops/hangs at the redhat nash
portion.

I'm further along but not quite there yet.

Any more ideas?

-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
On Behalf Of Fritz Whittington
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:52 AM
To: [e-mail]; For users of Fedora Core releases
Subject: Re: Change of Intel to AMD motherboard

On or about 2004-09-28 07:57, Jim Higson whipped out a trusty #2 pencil 
and scribbled:
> On Monday 27 Sep 2004 08:08, Rick Lim wrote:
> > Hi there, I have a running FC2 on a Intel 233mhz motherboard, I want to
> > move it to an AMD-K6-2/500 motherboard but it will not boot.
> >
> > Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make this run on the AMD
> > motherboard.
>
> I've done a similar thing a few times with no problems,
>
> Binaries from the main repositories are all i386, so unless you've been 
> installing packages specially compiled for your system I doubt there'll be

a
> problem there.

Almost, but not quite, true.  If you look at the files on the first 
distribution CD, you'll notice that there are two sets of kernels, smp 
and not-smp.  Each set has a 586 and a 686 version.  The appropriate one 
will be installed.

If you have a Pentium II or higher, then the 686 version will be 
installed.  If you then move that drive to a machine which only has the 
586 instruction set, it's not going to work.