VDQ : rhgb, plymouth -- and mkinitrd

[Beartooth]

	It seems rhgb (which I have always detested, and routinely 
removed from all machines) is to be replaced by plymouth -- which hides 
not only the boot messages I want to watch, but grub, too. (That seems 
insane for anyone who has multi-boot machines; I must have misread a web 
page, or otherwise be confused somehow ....)

	So in F10B, "yum remove rhgb" turns into a command that removes 
plymouth -- and takes mkinitrd along with it. 

	So do ordinary users need mkinitrd?? Is it OK to let yum go ahead 
and take it away? 

	To the best of my knowledge and belief, I've never once used it, 
in all the years since RH7; but I could make a long list of things I've 
tried removing, only to be warned that something I can't do without 
depends on them. Is mkinitrd one of those? Or not? How do I tell??

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[Beartooth]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:54:28 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote:

>  On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Tim
> <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au&gt;
>  wrote:
> > Having read the referenced page, it still leaves me cold.  Years of
> > experience of booting and wildly pressing a hot key trying to hit it at
> > just the right moment makes me hate hidden menus.
>  
>  I thought they said one just holds down any key and keep it pressed as
>  the system boots. 
        Yes, I'm pretty sure they did; but Apple machines used to do
that, and it was no better -- you still had to catch the right moment to
start holding, if not also when to let go. It was one of the reasons I
got rid of my Apple machine, years ago: trying to install anything new
was more trouble than the machine was worth.

        I hope the Fedora developers find some less ticklish alternative.
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[Aldo Foot]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au&gt; wrote:
>  Having read the referenced page, it still leaves me cold.  Years of
>  experience of booting and wildly pressing a hot key trying to hit it at
>  just the right moment makes me hate hidden menus. 
I thought they said one just holds down any key and keep it pressed as
the system boots.


~af

[Tim]

On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 14:07 +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>   The real answer, of course, is the one that Rahul Sundaram posted;
>  and it mentions that there will be a way to get to grub. In fact, 
>  iiuc, grub *will* appear automatically on machines with multiple hard 
>  drives, on the theory that those of us who have them mostly run more
>  than one OS. 
Having read the referenced page, it still leaves me cold.  Years of
experience of booting and wildly pressing a hot key trying to hit it at
just the right moment makes me hate hidden menus.

The GRUB interface is used for more than just multi-booting.

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Beartooth wrote:
>  	It seems rhgb (which I have always detested, and routinely 
>  removed from all machines) is to be replaced by plymouth -- which hides 
>  not only the boot messages I want to watch, but grub, too. (That seems 
>  insane for anyone who has multi-boot machines; I must have misread a web 
>  page, or otherwise be confused somehow ....) 
Yes. Read

http://fedoramagazine.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/interview-fedora-10s-bette...

Rahul

[Nifty Fedora Mitch]

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 05:18:02PM +0000, Beartooth wrote:
>  
>  	It seems rhgb (which I have always detested, and routinely 
>  removed from all machines) is to be replaced by plymouth........ 
.....
>  	So in F10B, "yum remove rhgb" turns into a command that
> removes 
>  plymouth -- and takes mkinitrd along with it. 
>  
>  	So do ordinary users need mkinitrd?? Is it OK to let yum go ahead 
>  and take it away?  
mkinitrd can save yer bacon, I do not understand what links rhgb to it.
As others have pointed out just comment our the rhgb stuff etc.
in /boot/grub/grub.conf.   

There are references to it in Makefiles for building new kernels.  See
also /sbin/weak-modules /sbin/installkernel and when and how they might
uses it.


>  	To the best of my knowledge and belief, I've never once used it,
>
>  in all the years since RH7; but I could make a long list of things I've 
>  tried removing, only to be warned that something I can't do without 
>  depends on them. Is mkinitrd one of those? Or not? How do I tell??
>  
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Beartooth wrote:
>  So in F10B, "yum remove rhgb" turns into a command that
> removes 
>  plymouth -- and takes mkinitrd along with it. 
instead of above, remove 'rhgb' and 'hiddenmenu' from
'grub.conf'???
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[Beartooth]

On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:55:19 -0700, Nifty Fedora Mitch wrote:

>  On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 05:18:02PM +0000, Beartooth wrote:
> > 
> > 	It seems rhgb (which I have always detested, and routinely
> > removed from all machines) is to be replaced by plymouth........
>  .....
> > 	So in F10B, "yum remove rhgb" turns into a command that removes
> > plymouth -- and takes mkinitrd along with it.
> > 
> > 	So do ordinary users need mkinitrd?? Is it OK to let yum go ahead
> > and take it away?
>  
>  mkinitrd can save yer bacon, I do not understand what links rhgb to it.
>  As others have pointed out just comment our the rhgb stuff etc. in
>  /boot/grub/grub.conf. 
	My bad, most likely; the link is plymouth. As of now, iiuc, rhgb 
is already gone from F10, replaced by plymouth; and it's plymouth that's 
linked in some way.

	It occurs to me just now to try "yum remove plymouth" and then 
"yum install mkinitrd"; I may do that.
 
>  There are references to it in Makefiles for building new kernels. 
> See
>  also /sbin/weak-modules /sbin/installkernel and when and how they might
>  uses it. 
	The real answer, of course, is the one that Rahul Sundaram 
posted; and it mentions that there will be a way to get to grub. In fact, 
iiuc, grub *will* appear automatically on machines with multiple hard 
drives, on the theory that those of us who have them mostly run more than 
one OS. (I certainly do, just because there are a couple things not yet 
user-friendly enough in linux, nor completely functional under wine. I've 
also been known to try Ubuntu, CentOS, and others.)

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