8:32 a.m.
Hi,
what is the current status of wayland with nvidia drivers in Fedora 32?
Some search results seem to indicate that it's supposed to work by default.
Others indicate that it still doesn't work. The actual result is that it
does not work unless I use the nouveau driver instead. Unfortunately, the
lack of performance with nouveau still requires nvidia drivers.
If it's supposed to work, how do I get it to work?
9:03 a.m.
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 10:33, hw <hw(a)gc-24.de> wrote:
Hi,
what is the current status of wayland with nvidia drivers in Fedora 32?
This is meaningless without mentioning the hardware you want to use.
Older hardware is not supported by nvidia drivers, but does work using
nouveau.
Some search results seem to indicate that it's supposed to work
by default.
Others indicate that it still doesn't work.
Unless the search results specify the hardware they are pretty much useless.
The actual result is that it
does not work unless I use the nouveau driver instead. Unfortunately, the
lack of performance with nouveau still requires nvidia drivers.
If it's supposed to work, how do I get it to work?
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12:32 p.m.
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 11:03 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 10:33, hw <hw(a)gc-24.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> what is the current status of wayland with nvidia drivers in Fedora 32?
>
This is meaningless without mentioning the hardware you want to use.
Older hardware is not supported by nvidia drivers, but does work using
nouveau.
> Some search results seem to indicate that it's supposed to work by
> default.
> Others indicate that it still doesn't work.
Unless the search results specify the hardware they are pretty much
useless.
So which hardware exactly does wayland work with? I guess that needs to be
specified for otherwise wayland is useless.
Since wayland is supposedly the default for Fedora, Fedora surely has tons
of documentation about this and I just couldn't find it. Or maybe Fedora
is useless ...
12:55 p.m.
On Mon, 25 May 2020 19:32:02 +0200
hw <hw(a)gc-24.de> wrote:
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 11:03 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 10:33, hw <hw(a)gc-24.de> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > what is the current status of wayland with nvidia drivers in
> > Fedora 32?
>
> This is meaningless without mentioning the hardware you want to use.
> Older hardware is not supported by nvidia drivers, but does work
> using nouveau.
>
>
> > Some search results seem to indicate that it's supposed to work by
> > default.
> > Others indicate that it still doesn't work.
>
> Unless the search results specify the hardware they are pretty much
> useless.
>
So which hardware exactly does wayland work with? I guess that needs
to be specified for otherwise wayland is useless.
Since wayland is supposedly the default for Fedora, Fedora surely has
tons of documentation about this and I just couldn't find it. Or
maybe Fedora is useless ...
Why do you think this is a fedora or even wayland question? It is the
drivers in the kernel that determine what video resources are
available. I don't run wayland because it doesn't provide a service I
need, but because nvidia is ubiquitous, if the kernel provides an
interface to the device, wayland almost certainly can utilize the
device. Have you installed the nvidia drivers from rpmfusion? As
George said, nvidia recently stopped providing support for their older
hardware, so if you have that hardware, you are probably out of luck,
unless you install a linux that is older generation. I stopped using
nvidia because of the constant irritation their closed source drivers
caused me, so I can't help with that.
4:52 p.m.
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 10:55 -0700, stan via users wrote:
On Mon, 25 May 2020 19:32:02 +0200
hw <hw(a)gc-24.de> wrote:
> On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 11:03 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 10:33, hw <hw(a)gc-24.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > what is the current status of wayland with nvidia drivers in
> > > Fedora 32?
> >
> > This is meaningless without mentioning the hardware you want to use.
> > Older hardware is not supported by nvidia drivers, but does work
> > using nouveau.
> >
> >
> > > Some search results seem to indicate that it's supposed to work by
> > > default.
> > > Others indicate that it still doesn't work.
> >
> > Unless the search results specify the hardware they are pretty much
> > useless.
> >
>
> So which hardware exactly does wayland work with? I guess that needs
> to be specified for otherwise wayland is useless.
>
> Since wayland is supposedly the default for Fedora, Fedora surely has
> tons of documentation about this and I just couldn't find it. Or
> maybe Fedora is useless ...
Why do you think this is a fedora or even wayland question?
Do you think it is not?
It is the
drivers in the kernel that determine what video resources are
available. I don't run wayland because it doesn't provide a service I
need, but because nvidia is ubiquitous, if the kernel provides an
interface to the device, wayland almost certainly can utilize the
device.
Does the kernel shipped with Fedora provide such an interface? If so, then
why does wayland not use the device? Or does Fedora come with a version of
wayland that is made not to work with Fedora kernels?
Have you installed the nvidia drivers from rpmfusion?
yes
As
George said, nvidia recently stopped providing support for their older
hardware, so if you have that hardware, you are probably out of luck,
unless you install a linux that is older generation. I stopped using
nvidia because of the constant irritation their closed source drivers
caused me, so I can't help with that.
Why do George and you assume that the hardware is too old? Please read my
question again.
Besides, what's the alternative to nvidia?
5:52 p.m.
On 5/25/20 2:52 PM, hw wrote:
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 10:55 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> Why do you think this is a fedora or even wayland question?
Do you think it is not?
Fedora does not distribute NVidia drivers. You got them from a third
party. They are not "supported" except maybe by the third party.
> It is the
> drivers in the kernel that determine what video resources are
> available. I don't run wayland because it doesn't provide a service I
> need, but because nvidia is ubiquitous, if the kernel provides an
> interface to the device, wayland almost certainly can utilize the
> device.
Does the kernel shipped with Fedora provide such an interface? If so, then
why does wayland not use the device? Or does Fedora come with a version of
wayland that is made not to work with Fedora kernels?
Wayland works perfectly well with Fedora kernels. The proprietary
NVidia driver is not part of the Fedora kernels.
Fedora does ship an interface for NVidia cards, but it's in the nouveau
drivers. If you don't use those, then it's not from Fedora. It's up to
NVidia to provide the interface for wayland to use in their drivers.
Besides, what's the alternative to nvidia?
AMD. They work great out of the box.
If you have trouble getting an NVidia card to work on Linux, go complain
to NVidia.
12:43 a.m.
On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 15:52 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/25/20 2:52 PM, hw wrote:
> On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 10:55 -0700, stan via users wrote:
> > Why do you think this is a fedora or even wayland question?
>
> Do you think it is not?
Fedora does not distribute NVidia drivers. You got them from a third
party. They are not "supported" except maybe by the third party.
> > It is the
> > drivers in the kernel that determine what video resources are
> > available. I don't run wayland because it doesn't provide a service
> > I
> > need, but because nvidia is ubiquitous, if the kernel provides an
> > interface to the device, wayland almost certainly can utilize the
> > device.
>
> Does the kernel shipped with Fedora provide such an interface? If so,
> then
> why does wayland not use the device? Or does Fedora come with a
> version of
> wayland that is made not to work with Fedora kernels?
Wayland works perfectly well with Fedora kernels. The proprietary
NVidia driver is not part of the Fedora kernels.
Fedora does ship an interface for NVidia cards, but it's in the nouveau
drivers. If you don't use those, then it's not from Fedora. It's up to
NVidia to provide the interface for wayland to use in their drivers.
> Besides, what's the alternative to nvidia?
AMD. They work great out of the box.
If you have trouble getting an NVidia card to work on Linux, go complain
to NVidia.
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Ok, I take it that this mailing list is no more than a bad joke and only
useful for trolls. Everything that has been said so far is entirely
irrelevant and nothing new.
AMD is no alternative. Graphics cards from ATI and later AMD have always
been troublesome pieces of junk that have never been working right for over
20 years now. Give me a free AMD card that gives me at least the same
performance and reliability as my current NVIDIA card and I'll try it.
1:56 a.m.
On 5/25/20 10:43 PM, hw wrote:
Ok, I take it that this mailing list is no more than a bad joke and
only
useful for trolls. Everything that has been said so far is entirely
irrelevant and nothing new.
If your questions aren't being answered then you need to be asking them
better. I have no idea what you're wanting to know. Fedora will only
distribute free software, so the NVidia drivers are not allowed. You
were asking about compatibility, but there's not much to say. NVidia is
the one being difficult, so it's up to them to be compatible.
AMD is no alternative. Graphics cards from ATI and later AMD have
always
been troublesome pieces of junk that have never been working right for over
20 years now. Give me a free AMD card that gives me at least the same
performance and reliability as my current NVIDIA card and I'll try it.
I don't know why you think that. I've been using only AMD cards for
many years and they've been great. I love that I have fully functional
graphics without having to worry about drivers. I've bought many
laptops for teachers and others and I will only buy ones with either AMD
or Intel graphics. They work great and again I don't have to deal with
the NVidia driver issues.
2:33 a.m.
On 05/25/2020 11:43 PM, hw wrote:
Ok, I take it that this mailing list is no more than a bad joke and
only
useful for trolls. Everything that has been said so far is entirely
irrelevant and nothing new.
There's lots of information to be had here, but you have to give us
something to work on. Among other things, if you want to know if the
drivers you need are available or will work with wayland, you need to
tell us what card you're using because there's no single yes or no
answer; it depends on your hardware. The way I see it as a long-term
member of this list, you have two choices: first, you can take that chip
off your shoulder, tell us what you're using and let us help you, or you
can go somewhere else to try to get help, but no matter where you go,
you'll be expected to give some information in order to get answers.
The choice is yours.
3:20 a.m.
On 2020-05-26 13:43, hw wrote:
Ok, I take it that this mailing list is no more than a bad joke and
only
useful for trolls. Everything that has been said so far is entirely
irrelevant and nothing new.
If you were to go to https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ you'd seen the
versions of
nVidia drivers. You can follow those links to learn what hardware is supported by what
version.
As you know, Fedora Project doesn't distribute or support those drivers.
At the moment the fine folks at rpmFusion supply
440 - Current hardware
390 - Older Hardware
340 - Older, Older Hardware
Don't expect rpmFusion to be supplying 340 much longer due to difficulties integrating
with
5.6 kernel as well as the fact that only one person active at rpmFusion, if I recall
correctly, has
the needed hardware to test.
I didn't do much in the area of research since I'm not all that interested in
running wayland at the
moment. However, my understanding is that only the 440 driver will have support for
wayland.
So, if you have the hardware which supports the 440 driver you can certainly test it
yourself.
Also, you may wish to join a community dedicated to nVidia and the linux drivers. They
would
probably be much more helpful in answering questions.
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/c/gpu-unix-graphics/linux/148
--
The key to getting good answers is to ask good questions.
7:12 a.m.
On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 14:33, hw <hw(a)gc-24.de> wrote:
Hi,
what is the current status of wayland with nvidia drivers in Fedora 32?
Some search results seem to indicate that it's supposed to work by default.
Others indicate that it still doesn't work. The actual result is that it
does not work unless I use the nouveau driver instead. Unfortunately, the
lack of performance with nouveau still requires nvidia drivers.
If it's supposed to work, how do I get it to work?
There is some 'preliminary' work to get this going. However there are a
few
hurdles it seems.
cat /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/61-gdm.rules
You'll notice the NVIDIA line in there, would need commented out for a
start.
It also depends on your nvidia model. If has vulkan support etc.
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/wayland-support/81296
https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA#Wayland
11:54 a.m.
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 04:20:06PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 2020-05-26 13:43, hw wrote:
> Ok, I take it that this mailing list is no more than a bad joke and only
> useful for trolls. Everything that has been said so far is entirely
> irrelevant and nothing new.
If you were to go to https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ you'd seen the
versions of
nVidia drivers. You can follow those links to learn what hardware is supported by what
version.
As you know, Fedora Project doesn't distribute or support those drivers.
At the moment the fine folks at rpmFusion supply
440 - Current hardware
390 - Older Hardware
340 - Older, Older Hardware
Terminology is fun. I'm considering update to F32 but was
concerned about my now pretty old system and its nVidia graphics.
Gee, my early 2013 system is still "current" according to nVidia.
Probably not for much longer, it is a 600 series card and the
oldest series on the list for the 440 drivers.
Guess I'll upgrade after all.
Jon
--
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1:49 p.m.
On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 14:06, Jon LaBadie <jonfu(a)jgcomp.com> wrote:
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 04:20:06PM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-05-26 13:43, hw wrote:
> > Ok, I take it that this mailing list is no more than a bad joke and
only
> > useful for trolls. Everything that has been said so far is entirely
> > irrelevant and nothing new.
>
> If you were to go to https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ you'd
seen the versions of
> nVidia drivers. You can follow those links to learn what hardware is
supported by what version.
>
As you know, Fedora Project doesn't distribute or support those
drivers.
>
> At the moment the fine folks at rpmFusion supply
>
> 440 - Current hardware
> 390 - Older Hardware
> 340 - Older, Older Hardware
Terminology is fun. I'm considering update to F32 but was
concerned about my now pretty old system and its nVidia graphics.
Gee, my early 2013 system is still "current" according to nVidia.
Probably not for much longer, it is a 600 series card and the
oldest series on the list for the 440 drivers.
If you want Wayland you should have a look at the requirements section of
the Arch Linux Wiki Wayland <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wayland>;.
Note that Nvidia is alone in using EGLStreams. When Nvidia says their
drivers support an older card you need to read the fine print to see what
"support" really means. Older drivers aren't tested against current
distros by vendors, so you depend on other users to sort out what works.
Nvidia graphics has been a drain on linux developer and support
resources: Torvalds
gives Nvidia the finger
<https://www.wired.com/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/> in response to a
developer's remarks that she had to write her own driver for an Nvidia card
she had purchased 2 years previously.
Guess I'll upgrade after all.
Avoid Nvidia.
Jon
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