so far i've lived my life in the sheltered world of rpm and up2date. is there a nice writeup anywhere anyone is aware of that does justice to apt vs apt-get vs yum vs rpm vs up2date vs alien, rpm vs deb, and the advantates and dangers in choosing amongst, even mixing and matching amongst them?
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 09:53:29AM +0000, greg wrote:
so far i've lived my life in the sheltered world of rpm and up2date. is there a nice writeup anywhere anyone is aware of that does justice to apt vs apt-get vs yum vs rpm vs up2date vs alien, rpm vs deb, and the advantates and dangers in choosing amongst, even mixing and matching amongst them?
apt aned apt-get are the same thing, to my knowledge. deb and rpm are file formats while apt, yum and up2date are dependencies managers. Alien is a program that converts .rpm files to their .deb equivalent.
Can't help you with apt, yum and up2date. Their was a comparison between them on lwn.net but it wasn't fair at all in regards to yum. Since you can install all of them on the same system, there's nothing stopping you from comparing them first-hand.
As for the deb and rpm file formats, there's a comparison written by Joey Hess: http://kitenet.net/~joey/pkg-comp/
Emmanuel
On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 04:53, greg wrote:
so far i've lived my life in the sheltered world of rpm and up2date. is there a nice writeup anywhere anyone is aware of that does justice to apt vs apt-get vs yum vs rpm vs up2date vs alien, rpm vs deb, and the advantates and dangers in choosing amongst, even mixing and matching amongst them?
I have at some point used all of these, so I will give you my $.02
rpm: Red Hat package format, part of the LSB and used in a lot of other distros
deb: Debian package format. used in debian an it's variants.
alien: package conversion tool. Can make an rpm a deb and vice-versa as will as tgz.
apt-get, yum and up2date: these are all package management tools. They can download, check dependencies and install packages. Aptis used mostly with debs, but has been ported to use rpms. Yum and up2date are for rpms. They are seperate tools, but (please correct me if I am wrong) they can/are used together with the up2date system.
Analysis: I've only been using the up2date and yum since the launch of FC, so I can't be sure if the troubles are really the tools or the young state of the project.
I am comparing them to apt, which has been very stable on my debian systems. Granted, debian has had a long time to get the processes to support it right. The apt on fedora has worked well the times I've used it, but it looks like the "official" management tool will be a yum/up2date combination. While I've tried to use it, there are currently some big problems with it. I have every confidence that it will get ironed out, I'm just hoping sooner than later.
Which brings me to my little soap-box.
I've do not really understand the choice of yum/up2date over apt. I have heard the arguements in its favor and I agree with them technically, debian has great success with apt and I don't see the need to reinvent the wheel. The debian developers already have a good process in place for testing, approving and distributing packages that work well together (with some exception is unstable). Couldn't that just be leveraged for fedora?
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On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 09:03:51AM -0500, Thomas DuVally wrote:
I've do not really understand the choice of yum/up2date over apt. I have heard the arguements in its favor and I agree with them technically, debian has great success with apt and I don't see the need to reinvent the wheel.
Having played with all three programs, I think that yum is the best possible choice. Apt works well most of the time but goes berserk on occasion (kernel, glibc, when several versions of the package are availible). Setting up an apt repository is a PITA. The C++ code is virtually unreadable.
The debian developers already have a good processin place for testing, approving and distributing packages that work well together (with some exception is unstable). Couldn't that just be leveraged for fedora?
??? I seriously doubt that the choice of package manager has anything to do with QA.
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