Hi All,
Fedora 41
I need to test a piece of software in Wayland. I know gnome uses it. Does KDE also use it?
Many thanks, -T
On 2/7/25 1:29 PM, Mark C. Allman via users wrote:
On 2/7/25 4:24 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
Fedora 41
I need to test a piece of software in Wayland. I know gnome uses it. Does KDE also use it?
Many thanks, -T
It does. I'm running KDE using Wayland, kernel 6.12.11-200.fc41.x86_64.
*-- Mark*
Thank you!
On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 13:24 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
Fedora 41
I need to test a piece of software in Wayland. I know gnome uses it. Does KDE also use it?
Not only does it use it, the F41 KDE spin is based on it and no longer supports X11 (except via Xwayland.
poc
On 8 Feb 2025, at 19:15, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
the F41 KDE spin is based on it and no longer supports X11 (except via Xwayland.
The default is to use wayland. There are kde x11 packages that you can install, but it is left for the user to do all the hard work of figuring out what needs to be done.
Barry
On 2/8/25 11:14 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 13:24 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
Fedora 41
I need to test a piece of software in Wayland. I know gnome uses it. Does KDE also use it?
Not only does it use it, the F41 KDE spin is based on it and no longer supports X11 (except via Xwayland.
poc
Perfect for the test! Thank you!
On 2/8/25 12:44 PM, Barry wrote:
On 8 Feb 2025, at 19:15, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
the F41 KDE spin is based on it and no longer supports X11 (except via Xwayland.
The default is to use wayland. There are kde x11 packages that you can install, but it is left for the user to do all the hard work of figuring out what needs to be done.
Barry
Perfect. That way I will know how the program reacts to pure Wayland
On 2/8/25 4:29 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 2/8/25 12:44 PM, Barry wrote:
On 8 Feb 2025, at 19:15, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
the F41 KDE spin is based on it and no longer supports X11 (except via Xwayland.
The default is to use wayland. There are kde x11 packages that you can install, but it is left for the user to do all the hard work of figuring out what needs to be done.
Barry
Perfect. That way I will know how the program reacts to pure Wayland
And the program works perfectly on
https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/41/Spins/x86_64...
The program I was testing was Help Wire Operator (client side is not written yet)
https://www.helpwire.app/download/linux/
I currently subscribe to Any Desk, which only runs under X11 and refused to run if it find any install instance of Wayland.
On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 19:46 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I currently subscribe to Any Desk, which only runs under X11 and refused to run if it find any install instance of Wayland.
Well, they're shooting themselves in the foot with that attitude. The writing's been on the wall for a very long time about X, no matter how some people feel about Wayland.
Every time I read it I keep thinking of Mr Burns' sycophant sidekick in The Simpsons.
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 11:46 PM ToddAndMargo via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
I currently subscribe to Any Desk, which only runs under X11 and refused to run if it find any install instance of Wayland.
Wayland provides isolation between windows. Some legacy X11 apps (xeyes is the simplest example) rely on the lack of isolation in X11. Companies that don't make the effort to support Wayland may not be investing in future development -- just coasting on their established user base.
-- George N. White III
On 2/9/25 6:38 AM, George N. White III wrote:
Wayland may not be investing in future development -- just coasting on their established user base.
That was my fear. I have been testing Help Wire, which run perfectly in X11 or Wayland. It is nicely done, but has a ton of bugs that need fixing.
I have a years to go on Any Desk. Hope Help Wire gets their stuff fixed by then
On 9/2/25 06:14, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 13:24 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
Fedora 41
I need to test a piece of software in Wayland. I know gnome uses it. Does KDE also use it?
Not only does it use it, the F41 KDE spin is based on it and no longer supports X11 (except via Xwayland.
Just as a silly question, when is Wayland going to work properly with KDE? When Wayland was first introduced into Fedora people on this mailing list were telling me not to use it with KDE, that it didn't work properly. They were right it used to crash KDE. Ever since then Wayland has never worked properly with KDE, and still doesn't. Interfaces that work fine in X11 don't work properly in Wayland (Pinned taskbar icons, launch feedback and mouse movement).
regards, Steve
poc
On Wed, 2025-02-12 at 08:40 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 9/2/25 06:14, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 13:24 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
Fedora 41
I need to test a piece of software in Wayland. I know gnome uses it. Does KDE also use it?
Not only does it use it, the F41 KDE spin is based on it and no longer supports X11 (except via Xwayland.
Just as a silly question, when is Wayland going to work properly with KDE? When Wayland was first introduced into Fedora people on this mailing list were telling me not to use it with KDE, that it didn't work properly. They were right it used to crash KDE. Ever since then Wayland has never worked properly with KDE, and still doesn't. Interfaces that work fine in X11 don't work properly in Wayland (Pinned taskbar icons, launch feedback and mouse movement).
You might want to take this to the Fedora KDE list, where there's more chance of one of the KDE devs seeing it. I haven't had problems with KDE/Wayland other than the session save/restore already mentioned.
poc
On 2025-02-11 17:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On 9/2/25 06:14, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
You might want to take this to the Fedora KDE list, where there's more chance of one of the KDE devs seeing it. I haven't had problems with KDE/Wayland other than the session save/restore already mentioned.
poc
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