Firefox foul ups

[Steve Underwood]

Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? 
After rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the 
UI has been fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane 
operation in Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few 
seconds. The foul ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and 
other windows still work OK. Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I 
have to switch to a text only screen and kill Firefox. That restores 
normal desktop operation for all the other windows.

Steve

[home user]

On 6/22/24 9:16 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:
> Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? After rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the UI has been fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane operation in Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few seconds. The foul ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and other windows still work OK. Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I have to switch to a text only screen and kill Firefox. That restores normal desktop operation for all the other windows.
>
> Steve

I don't know if it's related or not, but yesterday evening on my workstation (f39, gnome) Firefox was maxing out one cpu for minutes.  I exited Firefox.  The maxing out of a cpu continued.  ksysguard showed a Firefox process at the top of the process list (sorted by cpu usage), even long after exiting Firefox.  I had to kill that process manually.  This all repeated a second time.  Also curious, I saw a several processes with names containing "akonadi" and strings relating to e-mail/calendar.  After exiting Firefox again and exiting Thunderbird, the maxing out of a cpu stopped and has not since recurred, though I see 19 different akonadi processes now in a "ps" output.  Firefox is the only browser I use, and Thunderbird is the only e-mail client and calendar that I use.  I do not access e-mail via browser.

Are my problems and Steve's related and/or connected?

[Roger Heflin]

Steve's problem sounds like a Xorg/Wayland graphics issue/bug that
firefox somehow triggers.

My firefox has acted off for a while.  Typically is it seems to get
bogged down using a lot of ram (2-10GB for at least one firefox
process), but more recently I don't see the big memory usage but it
seems to go cpu bound and non-responsive in some tabs (reddit
usually).    On the high ram usage killing the specific process in
about:performance fixes that, but the only fix for the cpu
bound/nonresponding seems to be to exit all of firefox and restart.

Firefox needs to stop working on new features and simply get it
stable.  And I had most of the exact same issues on windows 11, so
this is not a code issue specific to Linux.  I have multiple web sites
that seem to be able to make one or more tabs consume GB's of ram. The
websites causing the ram issue were the same on both Windows and
Linux.

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 10:58 AM home user  wrote:
> On 6/22/24 9:16 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:
> > Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? After rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the UI has been fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane operation in Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few seconds. The foul ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and other windows still work OK. Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I have to switch to a text only screen and kill Firefox. That restores normal desktop operation for all the other windows.
> >
> > Steve
>
> I don't know if it's related or not, but yesterday evening on my workstation (f39, gnome) Firefox was maxing out one cpu for minutes.  I exited Firefox.  The maxing out of a cpu continued.  ksysguard showed a Firefox process at the top of the process list (sorted by cpu usage), even long after exiting Firefox.  I had to kill that process manually.  This all repeated a second time.  Also curious, I saw a several processes with names containing "akonadi" and strings relating to e-mail/calendar.  After exiting Firefox again and exiting Thunderbird, the maxing out of a cpu stopped and has not since recurred, though I see 19 different akonadi processes now in a "ps" output.  Firefox is the only browser I use, and Thunderbird is the only e-mail client and calendar that I use.  I do not access e-mail via browser.
> Are my problems and Steve's related and/or connected?
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[George N. White III]

On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 1:44 PM Roger Heflin  wrote:
> [...]

The websites causing the ram issue were the same on both Windows and
> Linux.

I generally keep the number external sites connected at one time to a
single digit.
I use No Script, and notice that, for many sites, the list of 3rd party
sites I have to
"temporarily trust" to make the site usable has grown to the point where I
need to
scroll down to see the full list.   We need to a list "resource hog" sites
to steer
people away from sites that are causing memory issues.

[Tim]

On Sat, 2024-06-22 at 15:57 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> I generally keep the number external sites connected at one time to a single digit.
> I use No Script, and notice that, for many sites, the list of 3rd party sites I have to 
> "temporarily trust" to make the site usable has grown to the point where I need to 
> scroll down to see the full list.   We need to a list "resource hog" sites to steer 
> people away from sites that are causing memory issues.

Unfortunately, it's the way people create websites, these days.  They
don't code them themselves, they incorporate scripts from a dozen other
websites.  Things they have no idea about, and no control over.

Trying to research something to buy, say a desklamp (i.e. nothing
special, at all), entails browsing dozens of sites that don't work if
you don't allow this jumble.

There's gallery scripts, comparison scripts, shopping cart scripts,
advertising scripts, tracking scripts...

I get peeved at banking sites that do that crap.  Firstly, they should
just stick to one job (such as letting you manage your personal
finances), steering completely away from advertising crap at you. 
Secondly, every third-party thing they add to their website is a
potential vector for a security breach.  You would think that banks, of
all services, might recognise that.

Also, it's *my* money that they're using to fund everything they do
(and every other account holder).  We should be being paid interest,
not milked.

[richard emberson]

Starting about 2 or 3 months ago, I started to 1) uses multiple Firefox profiles and 2) after using one of the profiles, exiting Firefox.
I have one profile where I do all my non-anonymous interactions (sites were I do not want to clear particular cookies
after each interactions) and the a couple other profiles (news sites; quick lookup/one or two tabs/single purpose; information
(web sites I've not finished looking at)). For "non-anonymous" profile, I every day or so remove all data associated with
all but a few selected sites. For all the "anonymous" profiles I do a shift-ctl-delete prior to exiting and remove all data.

For the past year? or so I had issues with (KDE) Wayland (new Wayland user): freezing, high cpu usages, etc. It turned out that all
the issues went away if I used Firefox sparingly: never let it run when I was not using it and clearing it all the time.
I also do a:
    ps auxwww | grep firefox
maybe once a day just to make sure there is no Firefox process running in the background.

Richard

On 6/22/24 8:16 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:
> Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? After rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the UI has been fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane operation in Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few seconds. The foul ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and other windows still work OK. Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I have to switch to a text only screen and kill Firefox. That restores normal desktop operation for all the other windows.
>
> Steve
>
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[home user]

On 6/22/24 9:57 AM, home user wrote:
> On 6/22/24 9:16 AM, Steve Underwood wrote:
> > Is anyone else having problems with Firefox on FC39 with XFCE recently? After rock solid operation for a long time, in the last 2 or 3 weeks the UI has been fouling up every day or two when I do some seemingly mundane operation in Firefox. A couple of times Firefox has crashed after a few seconds. The foul ups sometimes only affect the Firefox windows, and other windows still work OK. Sometimes the whole desktop fouls up, and I have to switch to a text only screen and kill Firefox. That restores normal desktop operation for all the other windows.
> >
> > Steve
>
> I don't know if it's related or not, but yesterday evening on my workstation (f39, gnome) Firefox was maxing out one cpu for minutes.  I exited Firefox.  The maxing out of a cpu continued.  ksysguard showed a Firefox process at the top of the process list (sorted by cpu usage), even long after exiting Firefox.  I had to kill that process manually.  This all repeated a second time.  Also curious, I saw a several processes with names containing "akonadi" and strings relating to e-mail/calendar.  After exiting Firefox again and exiting Thunderbird, the maxing out of a cpu stopped and has not since recurred, though I see 19 different akonadi processes now in a "ps" output.  Firefox is the only browser I use, and Thunderbird is the only e-mail client and calendar that I use.  I do not access e-mail via browser.
> Are my problems and Steve's related and/or connected?

Thank-you Roger, Richard, George, and Richard for your responses.