I must have missed something.... I have been trying out KDE4 in a fully updated F9 system.
I could not find how to set up an icon in the panel to launch an application that was compiled and stored but not in the list of applications available in the kickoff menus - it can be run using right click and then "Run Application" - but is it possible to create an icon to run it directly? Or is this something that has to wait till 4.2?
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Mike wrote:
I could not find how to set up an icon in the panel to launch an application
have a look at;
http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/KDE/2008-08/msg00030.html - --
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g <geleem <at> bellsouth.net> writes:
have a look at;
http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/KDE/2008-08/msg00030.html
Certainly for applications already in the menu for kickoff it is easy. However one functionality that I have relied on for years is to run a program from a bash script that is stored in an area on say /opt In the past it was easy to make a launcher in KDE and then configure it to execute any script that I wanted, and to select any icon I wanted.
The discussion you refer to seems not to answer that specific requirement or to suggest any easy alternative.
This for me is a basic need and is a blocker to using KDE4 as a routine desktop.
As an example if I install a third party application such as Maple which does not create any menu items to run it during the install process then it is necessary to have a link to the binary in order to execute it. For such an application it is vital to be able to make a quick launcher of some kind otherwise running it routinely is tedious.
Are there plans to include this basic functionality in 4.2?
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Mike wrote:
Certainly for applications already in the menu for kickoff it is easy.
have another look and note what i posted. [kde3]
being lazy, any liking to keep cli terse, i wrote scripts for 'ifup eth1' and 'ifdown eth1' which i named 'ifu' and 'ifd'. i then edited 'k menu' and added these 2 scripts with 'up arrow' and 'down arrow' as icons. then i added them to 'quick launcher' where they stand out well.
you should be able to do same in kde4, unless it does not allow editing of 'k menu'. i installed f9, but did not spend much time playing with it to find out if 'k menu' could be edited. which i would hope ability would still be. in kde3 it is right click on icon and select 'menu editor'.
However one functionality that I have relied on for years is to run a program from a bash script that is stored in an area on say /opt
good a place as any. i have a path of '/home/users/scripts/' where i keep all user scripts and link it to each users '~/'. for root, i use a private directory '/root/bin/' where i put special binaries and scripts for root use only as they are not available thru 'su' or 'sudo'.
In the past it was easy to make a launcher in KDE and then configure it
a lot of things where easy in kde prior to kde4. hopefully, when f10 gets a few months out, kde4 will have 'goodies' of kde3 available.
Are there plans to include this basic functionality in 4.2?
your guess is as good as mine. i am on kde email list, but do not believe i have seen much of kde3 features getting move up to kde4. there is a lot planned, but with all of how kde4 was 'improved', there is no telling when 'proven' will get moved in. - --
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Mike wrote:
g <geleem <at> bellsouth.net> writes:
have a look at;
http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/KDE/2008-08/msg00030.html
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As an example if I install a third party application such as Maple which does not create any menu items to run it during the install process then it is necessary to have a link to the binary in order to execute it. For such an application it is vital to be able to make a quick launcher of some kind otherwise running it routinely is tedious.
Create a .desktop file for it. It's not hard.
I'm sure kde(4) will add a gui for doing that, but afaik, it's not there yet, and not on the radar. Might be a fun itch to scratch for someone who really wants that... hint hint. :)
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Rex Dieter <rdieter <at> math.unl.edu> writes:
Create a .desktop file for it. It's not hard.
I'm sure kde(4) will add a gui for doing that, but afaik, it's not there yet, and not on the radar. Might be a fun itch to scratch for someone who really wants that... hint hint. :)
Indeed so Rex. Sure I can find out what is needed for a desktop file, and make an appropriate one, and then add it in... but it would be a heck of a lot easier to be able to do a few mouse clicks and add in the path to the script and the icon - especially if doing it more than a few times!
But what about the less experienced new arrival to Linux? Could he/she do it easily and before frustration took priority or would it mean that a move to a different distro was easier than trying to get an "essential" non-Fedora program running easily?
The previous poster referred to KDE3.5 where this has been available for years. However this is really sorely needed in KDE4 so I do hope that it will be brought within radar range before too long.
Maybe it is possible to code a plasmoid that is a token for adding your own icon and path to a script or executable? I have not tried to write code for that so I don't know if it is a long job or not. However given the rate at which plasmoids/widgets appear it is presumably not entirely trivial.
On Sun November 2 2008 4:37:55 pm Mike wrote:
I must have missed something.... I have been trying out KDE4 in a fully updated F9 system.
Unless I'm missing something, what you seek to do is trivial. Right-click on the application menu button on the left of the panel; select 'Menu Editor' and off you go. It will lead you into the classic menu display where you can pick a folder to add your app to and by clicking on the folder in which you want to add your app, and clicking on the 'New Item' button on the toolbar, you will open a window that will allow you to add all the relevant information to add your app to the menu (hint: clicking on the icon for your new app in the configuration window will open a second window where you can choose an icon for your app, or browse to a folder where it's located
Is that what you were seeking?
Claude Jones-5 wrote:
Unless I'm missing something, what you seek to do is trivial. Right-click on the application menu button on the left of the panel; select 'Menu Editor' and off you go. It will lead you into the classic menu display where you can pick a folder to add your app to and by clicking on the folder in which you want to add your app, and clicking on the 'New Item' button on the toolbar, you will open a window that will allow you to add all the relevant information to add your app to the menu (hint: clicking on the icon for your new app in the configuration window will open a second window where you can choose an icon for your app, or browse to a folder where it's located
Is that what you were seeking?
I am away from my f9 machine at present - but I will try this in the next day or so. Your info does relate to KDE4 in the kickoff menu, not KDE3.35 I presume? If this will give the ability to add a link to a script to run then this is what I need or a link to any third part application, or code that I have compiled or untarred to an area such as /opt/***** If this will indeed create a new menu item in kickoff then getting an icon from there into the panel is easy.
On Tue November 4 2008 4:10:22 am Mike Cloaked wrote:
I am away from my f9 machine at present - but I will try this in the next day or so. Your info does relate to KDE4 in the kickoff menu, not KDE3.35 I presume? If this will give the ability to add a link to a script to run then this is what I need or a link to any third part application, or code that I have compiled or untarred to an area such as /opt/***** If this will indeed create a new menu item in kickoff then getting an icon from there into the panel is easy.
What the menu editor does is open a display of the classic menu and allow you to create an icon there for any executable on your machine. Once you're done, that menu-item you just created will also appear in the kickoff menu, and as you point out, is easily deployable from there to the panel, desktop, or favorites list.
Claude Jones wrote:
On Sun November 2 2008 4:37:55 pm Mike wrote:
I must have missed something.... I have been trying out KDE4 in a fully updated F9 system.
Unless I'm missing something, what you seek to do is trivial. Right-click on the application menu button on the left of the panel; select 'Menu Editor' and off you go.
Ah, "Sokath, his eyes uncovered/opened"
-- Rex
Claude Jones-5 wrote:
Right-click on the application menu button on the left of the panel; select 'Menu Editor' and off you go. It will lead you into the classic menu display where you can pick a folder to add your app to and by clicking on the folder in which you want to add your app, and clicking on the 'New Item' button on the toolbar, you will open a window that will allow you to add all the relevant information to add your app to the menu
Brilliant - really excellent - this is the first time I have seen an answer on this that really is simple and it works - am very pleased - thank you very much
Mike Cloaked wrote:
Brilliant - really excellent - this is the first time I have seen an answer on this that really is simple and it works - am very pleased - thank you very much
I have also now seen that if you add the FolderView Widget to the desktop and then right click on the grey area of FolderView you can select Create New -> Link to Application - as well as other options.
I have learned a lot this evening.... so the answer to my original question is yes - in at least two different ways! KDE4 is growing on me day by day!
On Tue November 4 2008 4:58:40 pm Mike Cloaked wrote:
I have also now seen that if you add the FolderView Widget to the desktop and then right click on the grey area of FolderView you can select Create New -> Link to Application - as well as other options.
nice catch! I'd missed that one
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