I have several of issues with the latest Thunderbird e-mail tool that came down via dnf lately; thunderbird-91.1.0-1.fc34.x86_64. (Prior version was 78.something.) Some are just annoying; one is major.
First, annoying. Starting a new message, the Send button is grayed out *IF* there is anything in the Bcc field. As I normally Bcc myself on all messages, this hits every time. Clearing the field, re-enables the Send button. Refilling the Bcc field does NOT cause the Send button to go gray.
Second, more annoying, when trying to reply to a message, the Send box is grayed out and cannot be restored, even by clearing the Bcc box. I have not found any way to actually send a reply (other than to go to my mobile phone and do it there).
Third, less annoying, access to my local on-disk mailspool (referred to in Thunderbird as "movemail") has disappeared. Not a big deal, as I can review local logfiles with a command-line mailtool like good ole 'mailx.'
Fourth, and a major problem, my Address Book has disappeared. The data appears to still be there, as I can start typing an address and have it auto-completed, but the address book itself appears empty, and can't be opened for browsing.
FLASH: after all this Send totally fails, even though button appears active, so this saved draft was called up and sent from phone.
On 9/15/21 21:19, Tim Evans wrote:
I have several of issues with the latest Thunderbird e-mail tool that came down via dnf lately; thunderbird-91.1.0-1.fc34.x86_64. (Prior version was 78.something.) Some are just annoying; one is major.
First, annoying. Starting a new message, the Send button is grayed out *IF* there is anything in the Bcc field. As I normally Bcc myself on all messages, this hits every time. Clearing the field, re-enables the Send button. Refilling the Bcc field does NOT cause the Send button to go gray.
Second, more annoying, when trying to reply to a message, the Send box is grayed out and cannot be restored, even by clearing the Bcc box. I have not found any way to actually send a reply (other than to go to my mobile phone and do it there).
Third, less annoying, access to my local on-disk mailspool (referred to in Thunderbird as "movemail") has disappeared. Not a big deal, as I can review local logfiles with a command-line mailtool like good ole 'mailx.'
Fourth, and a major problem, my Address Book has disappeared. The data appears to still be there, as I can start typing an address and have it auto-completed, but the address book itself appears empty, and can't be opened for browsing.
FLASH: after all this Send totally fails, even though button appears active, so this saved draft was called up and sent from phone.
Hi!
Similar feelings, pdf now open by default in ... "Thunderbird"! I mean really? Attachment interface is terrible and works half of the time (or less), whereas the 'old' drap & drop used to work great and be somehow lightweight.
My address book is however still here, so it could be a specific issue to your setup. And while I never BCC myself, I tried and again that worked. I just put myself in BCC and nobody else anywhere. So maybe you need to reset some configuration files somewhere to get a fresh and working install.
Not sure it really addresses your issues but maybe it will help to fix them.
Fred
On 15/09/2021 22:54, Frederic Muller wrote:
Similar feelings, pdf now open by default in ... "Thunderbird"! I mean really? Attachment interface is terrible and works half of the time (or less), whereas the 'old' drap & drop used to work great and be somehow lightweight.
Of course that is easily configured by going to "Preferences-->Files and Attachments".
On 9/15/21 8:19 AM, Tim Evans wrote:
I have several of issues with the latest Thunderbird e-mail tool that came down via dnf lately; thunderbird-91.1.0-1.fc34.x86_64. (Prior version was 78.something.) Some are just annoying; one is major.
Have you reported these bugs, and if not, why?
On Sep 15, 2021, at 12:07 PM, Joe Zeff joe@zeff.us wrote:
On 9/15/21 8:19 AM, Tim Evans wrote:
I have several of issues with the latest Thunderbird e-mail tool that came down via dnf lately; thunderbird-91.1.0-1.fc34.x86_64. (Prior version was 78.something.) Some are just annoying; one is major.
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Yes, multiple bugzillas filed. Thanks
On 15/09/2021 22:19, Tim Evans wrote:
I have several of issues with the latest Thunderbird e-mail tool that came down via dnf lately; thunderbird-91.1.0-1.fc34.x86_64. (Prior version was 78.something.) Some are just annoying; one is major.
T-Bird was updated on my system on 9/11 to 91.1.0-1 and I've not seen any issues. FWIW, in the past, when having issues with Mozilla apps I found better answers with the Mozilla forums than bugzilla.
First, annoying. Starting a new message, the Send button is grayed out *IF* there is anything in the Bcc field. As I normally Bcc myself on all messages, this hits every time. Clearing the field, re-enables the Send button. Refilling the Bcc field does NOT cause the Send button to go gray.
When you say "anything" in the Bcc field do you mean valid as well as invalid email addresses? If I enter nothing in To or Cc but I put an invalid email address in Bcc I will get a RED indication in Bcc with an alert and Send will be disabled. If I then add a vaild email in To, Send will be enabled. Hitting Send will bring up a dialog box telling me that I need to correct the invalid email address before sending will work.
Second, more annoying, when trying to reply to a message, the Send box is grayed out and cannot be restored, even by clearing the Bcc box. I have not found any way to actually send a reply (other than to go to my mobile phone and do it there).
Not sure what you are saying here. When replying how did anything get in the Bcc field?
Third, less annoying, access to my local on-disk mailspool (referred to in Thunderbird as "movemail") has disappeared. Not a big deal, as I can review local logfiles with a command-line mailtool like good ole 'mailx.'
Fourth, and a major problem, my Address Book has disappeared. The data appears to still be there, as I can start typing an address and have it auto-completed, but the address book itself appears empty, and can't be opened for browsing.
You should then check ~/.thunderbird/(your profile)/abook.* for proper ownership and permissions. Should all be owned by you and -rw-r--r--.
On 9/15/21 6:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
First, annoying. Starting a new message, the Send button is grayed out *IF* there is anything in the Bcc field. As I normally Bcc myself on all messages, this hits every time. Clearing the field, re-enables the Send button. Refilling the Bcc field does NOT cause the Send button to go gray.
When you say "anything" in the Bcc field do you mean valid as well as invalid email addresses? If I enter nothing in To or Cc but I put an invalid email address in Bcc I will get a RED indication in Bcc with an alert and Send will be disabled. If I then add a vaild email in To, Send will be enabled. Hitting Send will bring up a dialog box telling me that I need to correct the invalid email address before sending will work.
I'm set up to default my own address in the Bcc field on all messages. On an original message, deleting my address from Bcc clears the Send button; on a reply, nothing clears it. In either case, I cannot actually send a message, even when the Send button appears enabled, as Send does nothing.
Fourth, and a major problem, my Address Book has disappeared. The data appears to still be there, as I can start typing an address and have it auto-completed, but the address book itself appears empty, and can't be opened for browsing.
You should then check ~/.thunderbird/(your profile)/abook.* for proper ownership and permissions. Should all be owned by you and -rw-r--r--.
There are no such files. However, starting to enter an address that I know was in the address book is auto-completed, so it would appear the address book data is still there somewhere; it just can't be browsed or searched or otherwise seen by human eyes.
Having downgraded Thunderbird to version 78, I can now send messages; address auto-complete fails, so the address book data would appear to be inaccessible. Perhaps version 91 did some conversion on the old address book that can't be reversed by downgrading.
On 16/09/2021 07:42, Tim Evans wrote:
On 9/15/21 6:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
First, annoying. Starting a new message, the Send button is grayed out *IF* there is anything in the Bcc field. As I normally Bcc myself on all messages, this hits every time. Clearing the field, re-enables the Send button. Refilling the Bcc field does NOT cause the Send button to go gray.
When you say "anything" in the Bcc field do you mean valid as well as invalid email addresses? If I enter nothing in To or Cc but I put an invalid email address in Bcc I will get a RED indication in Bcc with an alert and Send will be disabled. If I then add a vaild email in To, Send will be enabled. Hitting Send will bring up a dialog box telling me that I need to correct the invalid email address before sending will work.
I'm set up to default my own address in the Bcc field on all messages. On an original message, deleting my address from Bcc clears the Send button; on a reply, nothing clears it. In either case, I cannot actually send a message, even when the Send button appears enabled, as Send does nothing.
How did you set auto Bcc on reply?
Fourth, and a major problem, my Address Book has disappeared. The data appears to still be there, as I can start typing an address and have it auto-completed, but the address book itself appears empty, and can't be opened for browsing.
You should then check ~/.thunderbird/(your profile)/abook.* for proper ownership and permissions. Should all be owned by you and -rw-r--r--.
There are no such files. However, starting to enter an address that I know was in the address book is auto-completed, so it would appear the address book data is still there somewhere; it just can't be browsed or searched or otherwise seen by human eyes.
Things don't work that way. Are you sure you have the correct profile?
Mine would be...
[egreshko@meimei .thunderbird]$ grep Def profiles.ini Default=c3ml4ane.default Default=1 Default=c3ml4ane.default [egreshko@meimei .thunderbird]$ ll total 24 drwx------. 9 egreshko egreshko 4096 Oct 31 2020 7e6q4z60.default-release drwx------. 14 egreshko egreshko 4096 Sep 16 08:40 c3ml4ane.default drwx------. 4 egreshko egreshko 4096 Oct 31 2020 'Crash Reports' -rw-rw-r--. 1 egreshko egreshko 99 Oct 31 2020 installs.ini drwx------. 2 egreshko egreshko 4096 Oct 31 2020 'Pending Pings' -rw-rw-r--. 1 egreshko egreshko 303 Oct 31 2020 profiles.ini
[egreshko@meimei .thunderbird]$ ls c3ml4ane.default/abook.* c3ml4ane.default/abook.mab.bak c3ml4ane.default/abook.sqlite-wal c3ml4ane.default/abook.sqlite c3ml4ane.default/abook.v2.sqlite
Having downgraded Thunderbird to version 78, I can now send messages; address auto-complete fails, so the address book data would appear to be inaccessible. Perhaps version 91 did some conversion on the old address book that can't be reversed by downgrading.
On 16/09/2021 00:42, Tim Evans wrote:
On 9/15/21 6:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
First, annoying. Starting a new message, the Send button is grayed out *IF* there is anything in the Bcc field. As I normally Bcc myself on all messages, this hits every time. Clearing the field, re-enables the Send button. Refilling the Bcc field does NOT cause the Send button to go gray.
When you say "anything" in the Bcc field do you mean valid as well as invalid email addresses? If I enter nothing in To or Cc but I put an invalid email address in Bcc I will get a RED indication in Bcc with an alert and Send will be disabled. If I then add a vaild email in To, Send will be enabled. Hitting Send will bring up a dialog box telling me that I need to correct the invalid email address before sending will work.
I'm set up to default my own address in the Bcc field on all messages. On an original message, deleting my address from Bcc clears the Send button; on a reply, nothing clears it. In either case, I cannot actually send a message, even when the Send button appears enabled, as Send does nothing.
What exactly do you mean by "I'm set up"? If a compose an original new message to not-myself-but-to-valid-email-address and add myself to "Bcc" I can send out such an email no problems, "Send" button is available. r. L.
Fourth, and a major problem, my Address Book has disappeared. The data appears to still be there, as I can start typing an address and have it auto-completed, but the address book itself appears empty, and can't be opened for browsing.
You should then check ~/.thunderbird/(your profile)/abook.* for proper ownership and permissions. Should all be owned by you and -rw-r--r--.
There are no such files. However, starting to enter an address that I know was in the address book is auto-completed, so it would appear the address book data is still there somewhere; it just can't be browsed or searched or otherwise seen by human eyes.
Having downgraded Thunderbird to version 78, I can now send messages; address auto-complete fails, so the address book data would appear to be inaccessible. Perhaps version 91 did some conversion on the old address book that can't be reversed by downgrading.
On 9/16/21 12:55 PM, lejeczek via users wrote:
What exactly do you mean by "I'm set up"? If a compose an original new message to not-myself-but-to-valid-email-address and add myself to "Bcc" I can send out such an email no problems, "Send" button is available.
Thanks.
My Thunderbird config automatically includes me as a Bcc on all messages, new or reply. So the compose window comes up with the Bcc field filled on all messages. What I see is (1) on a new message, the send button is greyed out, but if I clear the Bcc field it *appears* to become active and (2) on a reply, the Send button is greyed out, but clearing Bcc doesn't do anything to the Send button. In BOTH cases, the Send button--whether it appears active or not--does nothing.
On 17/09/2021 01:52, Tim Evans wrote:
On 9/16/21 12:55 PM, lejeczek via users wrote:
What exactly do you mean by "I'm set up"? If a compose an original new message to not-myself-but-to-valid-email-address and add myself to "Bcc" I can send out such an email no problems, "Send" button is available.
Thanks.
My Thunderbird config automatically includes me as a Bcc on all messages, new or reply. So the compose window comes up with the Bcc field filled on all messages. What I see is (1) on a new message, the send button is greyed out, but if I clear the Bcc field it *appears* to become active and (2) on a reply, the Send button is greyed out, but clearing Bcc doesn't do anything to the Send button. In BOTH cases, the Send button--whether it appears active or not--does nothing.
I am starting to get the feeling that you're running up the age old problem of "old settings interfering with new software".
There is usually not a solution without sacrifice. In this case, it would seem that if you'd want to move to the latest T-Bird a "fresh start" would be in order. That probably would result in the Bcc field not being auto populated.
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On 17/9/21 05:41, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 17/09/2021 01:52, Tim Evans wrote:
On 9/16/21 12:55 PM, lejeczek via users wrote:
What exactly do you mean by "I'm set up"? If a compose an original new message to not-myself-but-to-valid-email-address and add myself to "Bcc" I can send out such an email no problems, "Send" button is available.
Thanks.
My Thunderbird config automatically includes me as a Bcc on all messages, new or reply. So the compose window comes up with the Bcc field filled on all messages. What I see is (1) on a new message, the send button is greyed out, but if I clear the Bcc field it *appears* to become active and (2) on a reply, the Send button is greyed out, but clearing Bcc doesn't do anything to the Send button. In BOTH cases, the Send button--whether it appears active or not--does nothing.
I am starting to get the feeling that you're running up the age old problem of "old settings interfering with new software".
There is usually not a solution without sacrifice. In this case, it would seem that if you'd want to move to the latest T-Bird a "fresh start" would be in order. That probably would result in the Bcc field not being auto populated.
I'm using Thunderbird V94 here and in Account Settings->Copies and Folders you can specify a CC list of emails and a BCC list of emails to automatically add those lists of email addresses to the relevant address lines when sending an email. It also says that if they are populated then the corresponding line will not appear in the emails, which I assume is when you are composing the emails. After writing this line I tried it out by putting my email address in the CC and BCC lines, and despite what is written in the preferences, these lines appeared in the email with my email address in them (as opposed to them displaying as "tabs" when by default they are empty) and the email address was tagged as not being in my address book. Also the replyto was still showing as a ">>" "tab" as "other address fields to show" which when the ">>" is clicked on adds Replyto to the display. With this setup the "Send" button was still active and accessible. Also in V94 the CC, BCC and Replyto lines are not automatically displayed, they are presented as "tabs" next to the from address line and have to be clicked on to add those lines to the mail for something to be entered. For my inbox location I'm also not using the default profile location for the folder, I have specified a folder on location on my Windows host which I have vmware auto mounting on vm image start up. I did this for a reason, but I don't remember why. Just one other question on this front, I'm seeing in all emails from this address list, and only from this address list, a lot of data at the bottom of the emails that looks like some sort of binary data, or maybe a digital signature or public encryption key. Is address list encrypting emails, I've only noticed this since going to V94 which has support for end-to-end encryption of mails via Openpgp or S/Mime. The reason I'm querying this is I originally replied to this mail, which had what looks like a digital signature at the bottom of it, that was held for the mailing list moderator to approve because it was bigger than 60k.
regards, Steve
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On 20/09/2021 07:45, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 17/9/21 05:41, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 17/09/2021 01:52, Tim Evans wrote:
On 9/16/21 12:55 PM, lejeczek via users wrote:
What exactly do you mean by "I'm set up"? If a compose an original new message to not-myself-but-to-valid-email-address and add myself to "Bcc" I can send out such an email no problems, "Send" button is available.
Thanks.
My Thunderbird config automatically includes me as a Bcc on all messages, new or reply. So the compose window comes up with the Bcc field filled on all messages. What I see is (1) on a new message, the send button is greyed out, but if I clear the Bcc field it *appears* to become active and (2) on a reply, the Send button is greyed out, but clearing Bcc doesn't do anything to the Send button. In BOTH cases, the Send button--whether it appears active or not--does nothing.
I am starting to get the feeling that you're running up the age old problem of "old settings interfering with new software".
There is usually not a solution without sacrifice. In this case, it would seem that if you'd want to move to the latest T-Bird a "fresh start" would be in order. That probably would result in the Bcc field not being auto populated.
I'm using Thunderbird V94 here and in Account Settings->Copies and Folders you can specify a CC list of emails and a BCC list of emails to automatically add those lists of email addresses to the relevant address lines when sending an email. It also says that if they are populated then the corresponding line will not appear in the emails, which I assume is when you are composing the emails. After writing this line I tried it out by putting my email address in the CC and BCC lines, and despite what is written in the preferences, these lines appeared in the email with my email address in them (as opposed to them displaying as "tabs" when by default they are empty) and the email address was tagged as not being in my address book. Also the replyto was still showing as a ">>" "tab" as "other address fields to show" which when the ">>" is clicked on adds Replyto to the display. With this setup the "Send" button was still active and accessible. Also in V94 the CC, BCC and Replyto lines are not automatically displayed, they are presented as "tabs" next to the from address line and have to be clicked on to add those lines to the mail for something to be entered. For my inbox location I'm also not using the default profile location for the folder, I have specified a folder on location on my Windows host which I have vmware auto mounting on vm image start up. I did this for a reason, but I don't remember why. Just one other question on this front, I'm seeing in all emails from this address list, and only from this address list, a lot of data at the bottom of the emails that looks like some sort of binary data, or maybe a digital signature or public encryption key. Is address list encrypting emails, I've only noticed this since going to V94 which has support for end-to-end encryption of mails via Openpgp or S/Mime. The reason I'm querying this is I originally replied to this mail, which had what looks like a digital signature at the bottom of it, that was held for the mailing list moderator to approve because it was bigger than 60k.
As far as I can tell, everything you've described about V94 is the same as V91 as supplied in the repository. V91 does have OPENpgp and S/MIme support.
FWIW, V94 isn't even "beta" it is a daily build. V93 being the current beta available on Mozilla's site. So, hopefully, you're backing up stuff just in case the daily build goes funky. :-)
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On Mon, 2021-09-20 at 09:45 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote:
Just one other question on this front, I'm seeing in all emails from this address list, and only from this address list, a lot of data at the bottom of the emails that looks like some sort of binary data, or maybe a digital signature or public encryption key. Is address list encrypting emails, I've only noticed this since going to V94 which has support for end-to-end encryption of mails via Openpgp or S/Mime
I've not seen any encrypted messages on here, and I can't see how that would work, but...
I notice that the mailing list's footer (the unsubscribe and list info, etc), is added as another section to the message (rather than just tacking more text onto the author's writing). And in the handful of messages I've looked at it, it's been base64 encoded rather than plain text.
Often, but not always, the entire message has been base64 encoded.
Various people digitally sign their messages, which adds another binary section to the message.
On 20/09/2021 12:07, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2021-09-20 at 09:45 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote:
Just one other question on this front, I'm seeing in all emails from this address list, and only from this address list, a lot of data at the bottom of the emails that looks like some sort of binary data, or maybe a digital signature or public encryption key. Is address list encrypting emails, I've only noticed this since going to V94 which has support for end-to-end encryption of mails via Openpgp or S/Mime
I've not seen any encrypted messages on here, and I can't see how that would work, but...
It wouldn't work very well at all. One needs to have the public key of intended recipients. So, unless the sender had the public keys and address of everyone on this list.....
I notice that the mailing list's footer (the unsubscribe and list info, etc), is added as another section to the message (rather than just tacking more text onto the author's writing). And in the handful of messages I've looked at it, it's been base64 encoded rather than plain text. Often, but not always, the entire message has been base64 encoded.
I'm pretty sure it is the mailing list software doing that. As long as I don't include any special characters or "foreign" words my messages go out as 7-bit Plain Text.
I don't know/understand why that is needed.
Check to see if my message end up being base64
Various people digitally sign their messages, which adds another binary section to the message.
Generally about 3k or less, I think.
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On 20/9/21 14:24, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 20/09/2021 12:07, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2021-09-20 at 09:45 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote:
Just one other question on this front, I'm seeing in all emails from this address list, and only from this address list, a lot of data at the bottom of the emails that looks like some sort of binary data, or maybe a digital signature or public encryption key. Is address list encrypting emails, I've only noticed this since going to V94 which has support for end-to-end encryption of mails via Openpgp or S/Mime
I've not seen any encrypted messages on here, and I can't see how that would work, but...
It wouldn't work very well at all. One needs to have the public key of intended recipients. So, unless the sender had the public keys and address of everyone on this list.....
I notice that the mailing list's footer (the unsubscribe and list info, etc), is added as another section to the message (rather than just tacking more text onto the author's writing). And in the handful of messages I've looked at it, it's been base64 encoded rather than plain text. Often, but not always, the entire message has been base64 encoded.
I'm pretty sure it is the mailing list software doing that. As long as I don't include any special characters or "foreign" words my messages go out as 7-bit Plain Text.
I don't know/understand why that is needed.
Check to see if my message end up being base64
At the bottom of the source for this mail it mentions that the mail is using the utf-8 character set and content-transfer-encoding of base64.
regards, Steve
Various people digitally sign their messages, which adds another binary section to the message.
Generally about 3k or less, I think.
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On 20/09/2021 17:57, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 20/9/21 14:24, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 20/09/2021 12:07, Tim via users wrote:
On Mon, 2021-09-20 at 09:45 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote:
Just one other question on this front, I'm seeing in all emails from this address list, and only from this address list, a lot of data at the bottom of the emails that looks like some sort of binary data, or maybe a digital signature or public encryption key. Is address list encrypting emails, I've only noticed this since going to V94 which has support for end-to-end encryption of mails via Openpgp or S/Mime
I've not seen any encrypted messages on here, and I can't see how that would work, but...
It wouldn't work very well at all. One needs to have the public key of intended recipients. So, unless the sender had the public keys and address of everyone on this list.....
I notice that the mailing list's footer (the unsubscribe and list info, etc), is added as another section to the message (rather than just tacking more text onto the author's writing). And in the handful of messages I've looked at it, it's been base64 encoded rather than plain text. Often, but not always, the entire message has been base64 encoded.
I'm pretty sure it is the mailing list software doing that. As long as I don't include any special characters or "foreign" words my messages go out as 7-bit Plain Text.
I don't know/understand why that is needed.
Check to see if my message end up being base64
At the bottom of the source for this mail it mentions that the mail is using the utf-8 character set and content-transfer-encoding of base64.
Which isn't how it was sent. :-(
It was sent....
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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On Mon, 2021-09-20 at 19:10 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
It was sent....
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
You said 7-bit, earlier. It used to be, and perhaps still is, that some mail services are paranoid about keeping things 7-bit. Still living in the 70s? (A vintage Aussie pop song.)
On 16/09/2021 18:52, Tim Evans wrote:
On 9/16/21 12:55 PM, lejeczek via users wrote:
What exactly do you mean by "I'm set up"? If a compose an original new message to not-myself-but-to-valid-email-address and add myself to "Bcc" I can send out such an email no problems, "Send" button is available.
Thanks.
My Thunderbird config automatically includes me as a Bcc on all messages, new or reply. So the compose window comes up with the Bcc field filled on all messages. What I see is (1) on a new message, the send button is greyed out, but if I clear the Bcc field it *appears* to become active and (2) on a reply, the Send button is greyed out, but clearing Bcc doesn't do anything to the Send button. In BOTH cases, the Send button--whether it appears active or not--does nothing.
This is not good my man. Because of whatever customization you have done to your TB, by manual fiddling and/or with help of extensions - almost certainly it will not be possible for anybody to reproduce the problem. As I gather for most(all?) of us TB latest version works, with or without 'Bcc'. A clean slate is what I would suggest - create a new profile in TB and try again, first without then with your customization and if that still have the problem persist then move to a separate OS user account(ideally newly created) and continue troubleshooting there. If you can reproduce the problem with such a 'clean-slate', then bug report is a very right thing to do, otherwise report it, I'd suggest, as a regression, a certain functionality being removed from newer TB versions, perhaps.
zdrowie, L.
On 9/15/21 10:19 AM, Tim Evans wrote:
I have several of issues with the latest Thunderbird e-mail tool that came down via dnf lately; thunderbird-91.1.0-1.fc34.x86_64. (Prior version was 78.something.) Some are just annoying; one is major.
First, annoying. Starting a new message, the Send button is grayed out *IF* there is anything in the Bcc field. As I normally Bcc myself on all messages, this hits every time. Clearing the field, re-enables the Send button. Refilling the Bcc field does NOT cause the Send button to go gray.
Second, more annoying, when trying to reply to a message, the Send box is grayed out and cannot be restored, even by clearing the Bcc box. I have not found any way to actually send a reply (other than to go to my mobile phone and do it there).
Third, less annoying, access to my local on-disk mailspool (referred to in Thunderbird as "movemail") has disappeared. Not a big deal, as I can review local logfiles with a command-line mailtool like good ole 'mailx.'
Fourth, and a major problem, my Address Book has disappeared. The data appears to still be there, as I can start typing an address and have it auto-completed, but the address book itself appears empty, and can't be opened for browsing.
FLASH: after all this Send totally fails, even though button appears active, so this saved draft was called up and sent from phone.
Here's an update. Thanks for the several replies, with suggestions.
Long story short, I downloaded the latest Thunderbird, directly from thunderbird.net, installed it in /usr/local, saved my old profile directory, and tried out the new version.
Send problems disappeared, including when a Bcc is pre-filled in the compose window. So, that part is resolved.
At this point, since I experienced exactly the same problems on *two* different systems--with two different profiles--it's hard to believe that both profiles were corrupted in such a way as to create the very same problems on two systems. But there you have it. No one else on this list has reported this problem with the Fedora-distro's version of Thunderbird 91.
I was unable to recover my addressbook with the new version. Some of you mentioned files named "abook.mab" or "abook.sqlite" in the profile directory. I had no such files, either before or after the upgrade to version 91 of Thunderbird, yet the addressbook was working. Can't explain that.
I downgraded one of my systems to Thunderbird 78, and have put in a dnf exclusion for upgrades of this application for the time being. That one is working ok, and I was able to recover the addressbook there. Will wait for the next Fedora-distro update to Thunderbird on the other system to see if anything changes.
Again, thanks for all the help.
Hi,
I downgraded one of my systems to Thunderbird 78, and have put in a dnf exclusion for upgrades of this application for the time being. That one is working ok, and I was able to recover the addressbook there. Will wait for the next Fedora-distro update to Thunderbird on the other system to see if anything changes.
just a suggestion: Couldn't you export your addressbook as vcf on 78 and import it after upgrade on 91?
Best Regards Bjoern
On 21/09/2021 01:42, Tim Evans wrote:
I was unable to recover my addressbook with the new version. Some of you mentioned files named "abook.mab" or "abook.sqlite" in the profile directory. I had no such files, either before or after the upgrade to version 91 of Thunderbird, yet the addressbook was working. Can't explain that.
Just for "fun" or a check. Do this as root.
updatedb locate abook
-- Nothing to see here.
On 21/9/21 09:03, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 21/09/2021 01:42, Tim Evans wrote:
I was unable to recover my addressbook with the new version. Some of you mentioned files named "abook.mab" or "abook.sqlite" in the profile directory. I had no such files, either before or after the upgrade to version 91 of Thunderbird, yet the addressbook was working. Can't explain that.
Just for "fun" or a check. Do this as root.
updatedb locate abook
I tried that as a check, and locate displayed 5 locations where it found abook and none of them had anything to do with Thunderbird, they appeared to be related to bash.
/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/abook /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/11420/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/abook /var/lib/snapd/snap/core/11606/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/abook /var/lib/snapd/snap/core18/2074/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/abook /var/lib/snapd/snap/core18/2128/usr/share/bash-completion/completions/abook
regards, Steve
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