I posted earlier about my fans running a bit hard when I open firefox. I deleted the emails on accident so im sorry im having to make this a new topic.
But I dont think my system ran hard on Ubuntu. ( but I used KDE then)
but it seems like when I log in to MATE on F20 my fans pick up more of a bit faster speed than on the log in screen.
I have cleaned the cobwebs out and everything earlier towards the last part of march but here is my Sensors readings:
localhost.localhost
Release Kernel Linux 3.13.7-200.fc20.i686 mate 1.6.2
HARDWARE: Memory 2.0 GB Processor 0: Intel Core Due CPU e7500 @ 2.93 GB Processor 1: same as above
Avail disk space: 206.8 GB
memory in use now 488.1 swap 23.0 mb
chris@localhost ~$ sensors coretemp-isa-0000 Adapter: ISA adapter Core 0: +39.0°C (high = +76.0°C, crit = +100.0°C) Core 1: +39.0°C (high = +76.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
it8718-isa-0290 Adapter: ISA adapter in0: +1.06 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) in1: +1.92 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) in2: +3.33 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) +5V: +2.94 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) in4: +0.46 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +2.10 V) in5: +4.08 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) ALARM in6: +4.08 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) ALARM in7: +3.09 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +4.08 V) Vbat: +3.17 V fan1: 2089 RPM (min = 10 RPM) fan2: 2213 RPM (min = 10 RPM) temp1: -55.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = thermistor temp2: -2.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +127.0°C) sensor = thermistor temp3: +32.0°C (low = +127.0°C, high = +60.0°C) sensor = thermal diode cpu0_vid: +1.100 V intrusion0: OK
chris@localhost ~$
Thanks, Christopher M
On 04/03/14 12:48, christopher marlow wrote:
I posted earlier about my fans running a bit hard when I open firefox. I deleted the emails on accident so im sorry im having to make this a new topic.
what is happening with firefox is something that has been brought up many times in the firefox support group.
it is a know fact that firefox causes laptop fans to run faster and if you run "top" command, you will see that not only does firefox use a lot of %CPU, it is also heavy on %MEM and such will increase over time thru usage to a point where firefox will hog both.
having several firefox tabs open is not as bad as having several firefox windows open. conditions of which you do not mention.
when firefox gets over 30% of memory, best thing to do is to totally close firefox, watch "top" for it to clear out of memory and start it again.
if you have tabs open that you wish to reopen, right click on a tab and select "Bookmark All Tabs...".
But I dont think my system ran hard on Ubuntu. ( but I used KDE then)
but it seems like when I log in to MATE on F20 my fans pick up more of a bit faster speed than on the log in screen.
and so it should be. you need to consider what cpu is doing in the 2 different states and understand that cpu is handling more in one that the other.
I have cleaned the cobwebs out and everything earlier towards the last part of march but here is my Sensors readings:
if you are having to clean out cobwebs, you may want to consider using laptop in a cleaner environment and using Raid bug spray in room once in a while. ;-)
well, I didnt mean actual cobwebs lol, just meant all the dust bunnies :P
Oh sorry forgot to say this is a desktop :)
Christopher
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM, g geleem@bellsouth.net wrote:
On 04/03/14 12:48, christopher marlow wrote:
I posted earlier about my fans running a bit hard when I open firefox. I deleted the emails on accident so im sorry im having
to make this a new topic.
what is happening with firefox is something that has been brought up many times in the firefox support group.
it is a know fact that firefox causes laptop fans to run faster and if you run "top" command, you will see that not only does firefox use a lot of %CPU, it is also heavy on %MEM and such will increase over time thru usage to a point where firefox will hog both.
having several firefox tabs open is not as bad as having several firefox windows open. conditions of which you do not mention.
when firefox gets over 30% of memory, best thing to do is to totally close firefox, watch "top" for it to clear out of memory and start it again.
if you have tabs open that you wish to reopen, right click on a tab and select "Bookmark All Tabs...".
But I dont think my system ran hard on Ubuntu. ( but I used KDE then)
but it seems like when I log in to MATE on F20 my fans pick up
more of a bit faster speed than on the log in screen.
and so it should be. you need to consider what cpu is doing in the 2 different states and understand that cpu is handling more in one that the other.
I have cleaned the cobwebs out and everything earlier towards the
last part of march but here is my Sensors readings:
if you are having to clean out cobwebs, you may want to consider using laptop in a cleaner environment and using Raid bug spray in room once in a while. ;-)
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tc.hago.
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On 04/03/14 14:34, christopher marlow wrote:
well, I didnt mean actual cobwebs lol, just meant all the dust bunnies :P
ok. and, you need to watch for rabbit droppings. :-D
seriously, you would do well to check fans for build up every few months. dust/lint on fans and heat sinks should not be allowed to accumulate.
watching with "sensors", make a note of cpu temp and fans rpms with firefox loaded and unloaded when fans and sinks are clean. then make notes every 2 weeks as dust/lint builds. you will see a notable increase by 2 months.
if you keep a box on floor, cleaning should be done even more often.
Oh sorry forgot to say this is a desktop :)
matters little. for desktops with variable speed fans, cpu heating and fan speed up still applies with firefox.
and again, watching "top", you will/may/should see a relation to fan speed and cpu usage when running firefox.
i do not see it as a noticeable amount on my boxes for several reasons;
1- i mount power supply fan to exhaust flow from supply 2- i mount box fan to draw fresh air in. 3- on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for max air flow.
You know whats crazy?
I installed XFCE and the fans are very quiet now... this is odd... wonder why?
Christopher
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:32 PM, g geleem@bellsouth.net wrote:
On 04/03/14 14:34, christopher marlow wrote:
well, I didnt mean actual cobwebs lol, just meant all the dust bunnies :P
ok. and, you need to watch for rabbit droppings. :-D
seriously, you would do well to check fans for build up every few months. dust/lint on fans and heat sinks should not be allowed to accumulate.
watching with "sensors", make a note of cpu temp and fans rpms with firefox loaded and unloaded when fans and sinks are clean. then make notes every 2 weeks as dust/lint builds. you will see a notable increase by 2 months.
if you keep a box on floor, cleaning should be done even more often.
Oh sorry forgot to say this is a desktop :)
matters little. for desktops with variable speed fans, cpu heating and fan speed up still applies with firefox.
and again, watching "top", you will/may/should see a relation to fan speed and cpu usage when running firefox.
i do not see it as a noticeable amount on my boxes for several reasons;
1- i mount power supply fan to exhaust flow from supply 2- i mount box fan to draw fresh air in. 3- on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for max air flow.
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peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g .
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On 04/03/2014 01:35 PM, christopher marlow wrote:
You know whats crazy?
I installed XFCE and the fans are very quiet now... this is odd... wonder why?
Xfce is much less resource intensive than some of the other DEs; Gnome 3 is a notorious resource hog. It's quite reasonable that this made enough of a difference to eliminate the issue.
On 04/03/2014 01:35 PM, christopher marlow issued this missive:
You know whats crazy?
I installed XFCE and the fans are very quiet now... this is odd... wonder why?
It is possible that the increased fan speed is caused by your GPU working harder to render the graphics on web pages--especially if there's video on the pages.
Switching to XFCE from an eye-candy-laden desktop (Gnome3, etc.) reduces your GPU workload as well since XFCE doesn't do 3D unless you've installed Compiz. Even then, if you don't use the 3D desktops (cube and such) the load on your GPU will be reduced.
Watch the temperature on your GPU in sensors and see if perhaps that's the cause. I sorta gave up on Firefox (with all its problems) and use either Chrome or Opera a lot. I have Firefox and a couple of other browsers on standby in case I need them but I rarely do.
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:32 PM, g geleem@bellsouth.net wrote:
On 04/03/14 14:34, christopher marlow wrote:
well, I didnt mean actual cobwebs lol, just meant all the dust bunnies :P
ok. and, you need to watch for rabbit droppings. :-D
seriously, you would do well to check fans for build up every few months. dust/lint on fans and heat sinks should not be allowed to accumulate.
watching with "sensors", make a note of cpu temp and fans rpms with firefox loaded and unloaded when fans and sinks are clean. then make notes every 2 weeks as dust/lint builds. you will see a notable increase by 2 months.
if you keep a box on floor, cleaning should be done even more often.
Oh sorry forgot to say this is a desktop :)
matters little. for desktops with variable speed fans, cpu heating and fan speed up still applies with firefox.
and again, watching "top", you will/may/should see a relation to fan speed and cpu usage when running firefox.
i do not see it as a noticeable amount on my boxes for several reasons;
1- i mount power supply fan to exhaust flow from supply 2- i mount box fan to draw fresh air in. 3- on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for max air flow.
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peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
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On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 15:32 -0500, g wrote:
on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for max air flow.
In some cases, pun intended, that's actually not a good idea.
With an enclosed space, it's supposedly designed to force airflow across the whole board (yeah, we know the cards get in the way). But with the side panel off, air goes the easiest route that it can, and some parts of the board can roast because air isn't forced over them.
I rather like the newer cases that have a big, slow, quiet, fan, mounted on the side panel, that blows over the whole board.
On 04/04/14 06:43, Tim wrote:
On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 15:32 -0500, g wrote:
on a couple of boxes, i leave side cover off for max air flow.
In some cases, pun intended, that's actually not a good idea.as
with some cases, that is true.
With an enclosed space, it's supposedly designed to force airflow across the whole board (yeah, we know the cards get in the way). But with the side panel off, air goes the easiest route that it can, and some parts of the board can roast because air isn't forced over them.
in what i would estimate to be at least 90%, if not 99%, of fans set up by oem, fans flow air out of the case, not into case. as such, there is very little airflow distributed anywhere near what could be considered properly across board and components.
kind of like oems know that airflow is not adequate and they are hoping for heat failure so they can sell newer and more systems.
I rather like the newer cases that have a big, slow, quiet, fan, mounted on the side panel, that blows over the whole board.
yes, mounting fan on side panel is better as it does allow for a larger fan. as for speed, i am hoping that the new fans are variable speed and controlled by temp sensors around memory and vlsi chips to increase fan speed when needed.
"sensors" is a great routine that many need to learn to use.
tho i do wonder about it sometimes and now is one of them.
]$ sensors coretemp-isa-0000 Adapter: ISA adapter Core 0: +43.0 C (high = +86.0 C, crit = +100.0 C) Core 1: +43.0 C (high = +86.0 C, crit = +100.0 C)
smsc47b397-isa-0480 Adapter: ISA adapter fan1: 1064 RPM fan2: 0 RPM fan3: 0 RPM fan4: 1005 RPM temp1: +58.0 C temp2: +43.0 C temp3: +28.0 C temp4: -128.0 C
i do not know where/what 'temp4' is reading, but it tends to show a rather efficient heat sink. :-D
2014-04-03 20:42 GMT+02:00, g geleem@bellsouth.net:
having several firefox tabs open is not as bad as having several firefox windows open. conditions of which you do not mention.
when firefox gets over 30% of memory, best thing to do is to totally close firefox, watch "top" for it to clear out of memory and start it again.
if you have tabs open that you wish to reopen, right click on a tab and select "Bookmark All Tabs...".
Edit -> Preferences -> General -> When Firefox starts: Show my windows and tabs from last time.
I think it's more practical than bookmarking all tabs if you just want to quickly quit and restart.
Andras
On 04/04/14 07:18, Andras Simon wrote:
2014-04-03 20:42 GMT+02:00, g geleem@bellsouth.net:
having several firefox tabs open is not as bad as having several firefox windows open. conditions of which you do not mention.
when firefox gets over 30% of memory, best thing to do is to totally close firefox, watch "top" for it to clear out of memory and start it again.
if you have tabs open that you wish to reopen, right click on a tab and select "Bookmark All Tabs...".
Edit -> Preferences -> General -> When Firefox starts: Show my windows and tabs from last time.
which is all well and good if one desires to restart with last used tabs all the time.
as for myself, i seldom wish to do so.
I think it's more practical than bookmarking all tabs if you just want to quickly quit and restart.
as above, not everyone wants to restart with previous tabs.
besides, "Bookmark All Tabs..." does give one ability to build bookmarks for when one wishes to reopen them. plus, makes them available if one desires to send bookmarks to someone else.
anyway, it is a moot point and another apples and oranges.
On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 09:22 -0500, g wrote:
not everyone wants to restart with previous tabs.
Yes, sometimes you stopped browsing because one or more websites brought the thing to its knees, and you don't want to resume that.
Some browsers have a menu option to resume previous browsing session. So, after you've started a fresh browsing session, you can use that option and pick up from where you left off.
Bookmarking's all very well and good, but it's easy to amass so many bookmarks that you can't make head nor tail of them. It's not helped by websites with useless page titles.
On 04/05/14 08:43, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 09:22 -0500, g wrote:
not everyone wants to restart with previous tabs.
Yes, sometimes you stopped browsing because one or more websites brought the thing to its knees, and you don't want to resume that.
Some browsers have a menu option to resume previous browsing session. So, after you've started a fresh browsing session, you can use that option and pick up from where you left off.
had that with firefox, but lost, with a couple other abilities, after an upgrade. was handy.
Bookmarking's all very well and good, but it's easy to amass so many bookmarks that you can't make head nor tail of them. It's not helped by websites with useless page titles.
true. but anyone with bad 'house keeping habits' will have an amass of bookmarks that they know little of, regardless of using bookmarking of all tabs.
if one is to use bookmarks, one should learn how to use them. not just mark to have a bookmark.
every time i set a bookmark, i immediately set a tag.
i have 19,812 bookmarks, all with tags, about 85% have keywords, and i will not guess how many i have filed in a description.
all my bookmarks are categorized and alphabetized with headings to easily locate them. it took a few years off and on of reorganizing to get them to the organization they are now in, but it was well worth it.
in fact, a bit of a brag, but as a further description, my bookmarks would make Melvil Dewey proud. :-)
also, among these bookmarks, there are a lot from netscape days that i still use.
this is heading in a tangent way off from "Subject:", so i leave with above.
I honestly dont understand the whole point of tagging in firefox... Well I dont know how to use the tagging feature, I have never used it...
What do you do tag something then type it in the address bar and hit enter and it will load that bookmark?
On Sat, 2014-04-05 at 01:35 -0500, c. marlow wrote:
I honestly dont understand the whole point of tagging in firefox... Well I dont know how to use the tagging feature, I have never used it...
Tagging allows you to categorise your links, so you might tag news links as news, finance links as finance, computer help links as help, etc. You can make your own tags, or use prepared ones that it already has.
What do you do tag something then type it in the address bar and hit enter and it will load that bookmark?
Generally, I've found that you can type keywords into the address bar, and Firefox will start suggesting pages based upon website addresses, page titles, keywords, etc., that it finds from your bookmarks and recent history.
Thanks to the last one (it finding things in your history), I tend to not bother bookmarking things I'm only vaguely interested in. If I need to revisit something in a couple of days time, or longer, Firefox can find it for me.
Failing it finding something useful in your history, browsers like to offer you suggestions made by external search engines, in the address bar. Sometimes it's useful, occasionally it's unintentionally funny, and sometimes completely the wrong suggestion.
-----Original Message----- From: g geleem@bellsouth.net Reply-to: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: in regard to my system fans picking up speed Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 12:08:06 +0600
On 04/05/14 08:43, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2014-04-04 at 09:22 -0500, g wrote:
not everyone wants to restart with previous tabs.
Yes, sometimes you stopped browsing because one or more websites brought the thing to its knees, and you don't want to resume that.
Some browsers have a menu option to resume previous browsing session. So, after you've started a fresh browsing session, you can use that option and pick up from where you left off.
had that with firefox, but lost, with a couple other abilities, after an upgrade. was handy.
Bookmarking's all very well and good, but it's easy to amass so many bookmarks that you can't make head nor tail of them. It's not helped by websites with useless page titles.
true. but anyone with bad 'house keeping habits' will have an amass of bookmarks that they know little of, regardless of using bookmarking of all tabs.
if one is to use bookmarks, one should learn how to use them. not just mark to have a bookmark.
every time i set a bookmark, i immediately set a tag.
i have 19,812 bookmarks, all with tags, about 85% have keywords, and i will not guess how many i have filed in a description.
all my bookmarks are categorized and alphabetized with headings to easily locate them. it took a few years off and on of reorganizing to get them to the organization they are now in, but it was well worth it.
in fact, a bit of a brag, but as a further description, my bookmarks would make Melvil Dewey proud. :-)
also, among these bookmarks, there are a lot from netscape days that i still use.
this is heading in a tangent way off from "Subject:", so i leave with above.
Tim:
It's not helped by websites with useless page titles.
Joe Zeff:
You can always edit the title before clicking OK. HTH, HAND.
I know that, but if you're bookmarking all your tabs quickly, because you want to reboot/shutdown/eat, it's a nuisance having to do that, step by step, thanks to crappy website authoring.
On 04/05/14 16:07, Tim wrote:
Tim:
It's not helped by websites with useless page titles.
Joe Zeff:
You can always edit the title before clicking OK. HTH, HAND.
I know that, but if you're bookmarking all your tabs quickly, because you want to reboot/shutdown/eat, it's a nuisance having to do that, step by step, thanks to crappy website authoring.
well, being that you are aware of such, do you not look at your last bookmarks when you restart, and act then?
if not, then you are failing to use bookmarking as you need to be. which is very much in opposite of your other post;
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 20:42:03 +1030 Message-Id: 1396692723.25789.7.camel@gonzales.lan.cameratim.com
i very much agree with you about crappy website authoring.
On 04/03/2014 10:48:40 AM, christopher marlow wrote:
I posted earlier about my fans running a bit hard when I open firefox. I deleted the emails on accident so im sorry im having to make this a new topic.
But I dont think my system ran hard on Ubuntu. ( but I used KDE then)
but it seems like when I log in to MATE on F20 my fans pick up more of a bit faster speed than on the log in screen.
I have cleaned the cobwebs out and everything earlier towards the last part of march but here is my Sensors readings:
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