Nouveau, Oh No!

[Tom Horsley]

I was so happy when the nouveau driver finally worked
on my nvidia maxwell card in fedora 24, but now after
about a week, this happened:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351286

Total screen freeze :-(.

At least it took as long as a week.

If it happens a lot, I may have to go back to
nvidia binaries (I hate the pain of installing them).

[Alan]

> I was so happy when the nouveau driver finally worked
> on my nvidia maxwell card in fedora 24, but now after
> about a week, this happened:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351286
>
> Total screen freeze :-(.
>
> At least it took as long as a week.
>
> If it happens a lot, I may have to go back to
> nvidia binaries (I hate the pain of installing them).

I got stripes all over the screen after a while and then a hard hang.
(nVIDIA Geforce 600)

The installer had similar problems.

I used the rpmfusion nvidia driver and it has been stable ever since.

[Richard Heck]

On 06/29/2016 05:31 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
> > I was so happy when the nouveau driver finally worked
> > on my nvidia maxwell card in fedora 24, but now after
> > about a week, this happened:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351286
> >
> > Total screen freeze :-(.
> >
> > At least it took as long as a week.
> >
> > If it happens a lot, I may have to go back to
> > nvidia binaries (I hate the pain of installing them).
>
> I got stripes all over the screen after a while and then a hard hang.
> (nVIDIA Geforce 600)

Had these same problems after upgrading to Fedora 23 from Fedora 21.

Richard

[EGO-II.1]

Is this something that's going to affect my EXTREMELY OLD Gateway T6321
laptop?....I was under the impression that "Wayland" was going to solve the
issues with drivers that didn't quite work? (I was thinking of upgrading my
hardware to a Lenovo IdeaPad...but if there might be funky things happening
on it?....then.maybe I should stick with F23 and just take the
"wait-and-see" approach?...)
On Jun 29, 2016 5:19 PM, "Tom Horsley"  wrote:
> I was so happy when the nouveau driver finally worked
> on my nvidia maxwell card in fedora 24, but now after
> about a week, this happened:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351286
>
> Total screen freeze :-(.
>
> At least it took as long as a week.
>
> If it happens a lot, I may have to go back to
> nvidia binaries (I hate the pain of installing them).
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[stan]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:54:45 -0400
"Eddie O'Connor"  wrote:
> Is this something that's going to affect my EXTREMELY OLD Gateway
> T6321 laptop?

Unlikely if you aren't having issues already.  Nouveau has been having
lockup issues for a long time.

The nouveau bug report about lockups seems to suggest that it is
now working, or that there is at least a workaround.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=918732

[Doug]

On 06/30/2016 12:10 PM, stan wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:54:45 -0400
> "Eddie O'Connor"  wrote:
> > Is this something that's going to affect my EXTREMELY OLD Gateway
> > T6321 laptop?
>
> Unlikely if you aren't having issues already.  Nouveau has been having
> lockup issues for a long time.
>
> The nouveau bug report about lockups seems to suggest that it is
> now working, or that there is at least a workaround.
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=918732

Doesn't your video card have a manufacturer's driver? If so, you should 
use it! Never mind this FOSS stuff!

[Stephen Morris]

On 30/06/16 07:19, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I was so happy when the nouveau driver finally worked
> on my nvidia maxwell card in fedora 24, but now after
> about a week, this happened:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351286
>
> Total screen freeze :-(.
>
> At least it took as long as a week.
>
> If it happens a lot, I may have to go back to
> nvidia binaries (I hate the pain of installing them).

I am still on F23 (haven't seen anything yet to say F24 is stable) and I 
am using the negativo17 environment for the nvidia drivers, steam and 
multimedia and found no issues with installs/upgrades, in my view its no 
more difficult than installing any Fedora package. I'm using these for 
the nvidia drivers because rpmfusion seems to have stopped keeping their 
F23 versions in sync with the kernel, in so far as trying to install the 
binary drivers wants to install them at the 4.2.3 kernel level. Once you 
issue the dnf command to add the negativo17 repository, it is just a 
matter of issuing dnf install nvidia-driver and its off and going.

Just as a side issue to the track, if I use Fedup to upgrade from F23 to 
F24, is it going to function the same as using Fedup to upgrade from F22 
to F23, and remove the binary/source nvidia drivers and migrate the 
system back to nouveau?

regards,
Steve
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[Ed Greshko]

On 07/01/16 05:29, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 30/06/16 07:19, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > I was so happy when the nouveau driver finally worked
> > on my nvidia maxwell card in fedora 24, but now after
> > about a week, this happened:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351286
> >
> > Total screen freeze :-(.
> >
> > At least it took as long as a week.
> >
> > If it happens a lot, I may have to go back to
> > nvidia binaries (I hate the pain of installing them).
>
> I am still on F23 (haven't seen anything yet to say F24 is stable) and I am using the
> negativo17 environment for the nvidia drivers, steam and multimedia and found no issues
> with installs/upgrades, in my view its no more difficult than installing any Fedora
> package. I'm using these for the nvidia drivers because rpmfusion seems to have stopped
> keeping their F23 versions in sync with the kernel, in so far as trying to install the
> binary drivers wants to install them at the 4.2.3 kernel level. Once you issue the dnf
> command to add the negativo17 repository, it is just a matter of issuing dnf install
> nvidia-driver and its off and going.
>
> Just as a side issue to the track, if I use Fedup to upgrade from F23 to F24, is it
> going to function the same as using Fedup to upgrade from F22 to F23, and remove the
> binary/source nvidia drivers and migrate the system back to nouveau?

In the past I've used fedup to upgrade and now, of course, dnf.  In neither case were the
nvidia drivers removed/replaced with nouveau.  This is using the nvidia drivers supplied
by rpmfusion.

Additionally, using the akmod-nvidia as opposed to relying on rpmfusion to supply kmods
will free you from having to wait or worry about rpmfusion repositories keeping in sync
with released kernels.

[Matthew Colton]

Am 30.06.2016 um 23:50 schrieb Ed Greshko:
> On 07/01/16 05:29, Stephen Morris wrote:
> > On 30/06/16 07:19, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > > I was so happy when the nouveau driver finally worked
> > > on my nvidia maxwell card in fedora 24, but now after
> > > about a week, this happened:
> > >
> > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351286
> > >
> > > Total screen freeze :-(.
> > >
> > > At least it took as long as a week.
> > >
> > > If it happens a lot, I may have to go back to
> > > nvidia binaries (I hate the pain of installing them).
> >
> > I am still on F23 (haven't seen anything yet to say F24 is stable) and I am using the
> > negativo17 environment for the nvidia drivers, steam and multimedia and found no issues
> > with installs/upgrades, in my view its no more difficult than installing any Fedora
> > package.

I'm using F24 with nvidia drivers and steam. No problems except with my
external sound card. But thanks to Richards fix the problem has been solved.
> > I'm using these for the nvidia drivers because rpmfusion seems to have stopped
> > keeping their F23 versions in sync with the kernel, in so far as trying to install the
> > binary drivers wants to install them at the 4.2.3 kernel level. Once you issue the dnf
> > command to add the negativo17 repository, it is just a matter of issuing dnf install
> > nvidia-driver and its off and going.
> >
> > Just as a side issue to the track, if I use Fedup to upgrade from F23 to F24, is it
> > going to function the same as using Fedup to upgrade from F22 to F23, and remove the
> > binary/source nvidia drivers and migrate the system back to nouveau?
>
> In the past I've used fedup to upgrade and now, of course, dnf.  In neither case were the
> nvidia drivers removed/replaced with nouveau.  This is using the nvidia drivers supplied
> by rpmfusion.

I can confirm this behaviour. Never ever has the nvidia driver been
reverted to the nouveau driver as long as using rpmfusion.
> Additionally, using the akmod-nvidia as opposed to relying on rpmfusion to supply kmods
> will free you from having to wait or worry about rpmfusion repositories keeping in sync
> with released kernels.

Yes, works like a charm. :)

Cheers
Mat
>

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 12:40:50 +0200
Matthew Colton wrote:
> > Additionally, using the akmod-nvidia as opposed to relying on rpmfusion to supply kmods
> > will free you from having to wait or worry about rpmfusion repositories keeping in sync
> > with released kernels.
>
> Yes, works like a charm. :)

Until you install a 4.6 kernel, of course, then the nvidia driver won't
compile because the helpful linux kernel devs have been changing the
internal kernel interfaces again :-).

(I'm booted back on the 4.5 kernel now).

[Matthew Colton]

Am 01.07.2016 um 13:46 schrieb Tom Horsley:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 12:40:50 +0200
> Matthew Colton wrote:
> > > Additionally, using the akmod-nvidia as opposed to relying on rpmfusion to supply kmods
> > > will free you from having to wait or worry about rpmfusion repositories keeping in sync
> > > with released kernels.
> >
> > Yes, works like a charm. :)
>
> Until you install a 4.6 kernel, of course, then the nvidia driver won't
> compile because the helpful linux kernel devs have been changing the
> internal kernel interfaces again :-).
>
> (I'm booted back on the 4.5 kernel now).

Ahh, good to know. Just saw a kernel update to 4.6.3 pass me by. :)

Cheers
Mat
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[Ed Greshko]

On 07/01/16 19:46, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 12:40:50 +0200
> Matthew Colton wrote:
> > > Additionally, using the akmod-nvidia as opposed to relying on rpmfusion to supply kmods
> > > will free you from having to wait or worry about rpmfusion repositories keeping in sync
> > > with released kernels.
> >
> > Yes, works like a charm. :)
>
> Until you install a 4.6 kernel, of course, then the nvidia driver won't
> compile because the helpful linux kernel devs have been changing the
> internal kernel interfaces again :-).
>
> (I'm booted back on the 4.5 kernel now).

Yes, I filed a BZ with rpmfusion.

[Robin Laing]

On 01/07/16 05:46, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 12:40:50 +0200
> Matthew Colton wrote:
> > > Additionally, using the akmod-nvidia as opposed to relying on rpmfusion to supply kmods
> > > will free you from having to wait or worry about rpmfusion repositories keeping in sync
> > > with released kernels.
> >
> > Yes, works like a charm. :)
>
> Until you install a 4.6 kernel, of course, then the nvidia driver won't
> compile because the helpful linux kernel devs have been changing the
> internal kernel interfaces again :-).
> (I'm booted back on the 4.5 kernel now).

Thanks for the heads up.  Just about to update a new machine that 
requires the nVidia closed source drivers.

Robin

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:56:47 -0600
Robin Laing wrote:
> > Until you install a 4.6 kernel, of course, then the nvidia driver won't
> > compile because the helpful linux kernel devs have been changing the
> > internal kernel interfaces again :-).
> > (I'm booted back on the 4.5 kernel now).
>
> Thanks for the heads up.  Just about to update a new machine that 
> requires the nVidia closed source drivers.

https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4098

This bug says there are fixed drivers wending their way
to the rpmfusion repos, so it should work again soon.

[Klaus-Peter Schrage]

Am 02.07.2016 um 00:09 schrieb Tom Horsley:
> On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:56:47 -0600
> Robin Laing wrote:
> > > Until you install a 4.6 kernel, of course, then the nvidia driver won't
> > > compile because the helpful linux kernel devs have been changing the
> > > internal kernel interfaces again :-).
> > > (I'm booted back on the 4.5 kernel now).
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up.  Just about to update a new machine that
> > requires the nVidia closed source drivers.

For me, the nvidia driver from rpmfusion works with kernel 
4.6.3-300.fc24.x86_64 after today's updates of akmod-nvidia and 
xorg-x11-drv-nvidia*.

[Stephen Morris]

On 01/07/16 07:29, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 30/06/16 07:19, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > I was so happy when the nouveau driver finally worked
> > on my nvidia maxwell card in fedora 24, but now after
> > about a week, this happened:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1351286
> >
> > Total screen freeze :-(.
> >
> > At least it took as long as a week.
> >
> > If it happens a lot, I may have to go back to
> > nvidia binaries (I hate the pain of installing them).
>
> I am still on F23 (haven't seen anything yet to say F24 is stable) and 
> I am using the negativo17 environment for the nvidia drivers, steam 
> and multimedia and found no issues with installs/upgrades, in my view 
> its no more difficult than installing any Fedora package. I'm using 
> these for the nvidia drivers because rpmfusion seems to have stopped 
> keeping their F23 versions in sync with the kernel, in so far as 
> trying to install the binary drivers wants to install them at the 
> 4.2.3 kernel level. Once you issue the dnf command to add the 
> negativo17 repository, it is just a matter of issuing dnf install 
> nvidia-driver and its off and going.
>
> Just as a side issue to the track, if I use Fedup to upgrade from F23 
> to F24, is it going to function the same as using Fedup to upgrade 
> from F22 to F23, and remove the binary/source nvidia drivers and 
> migrate the system back to nouveau?
>
> regards,
> Steve

Thankyou for the responses guys. The issues I had with the Fedup upgrade 
from F22 to F23, was that the rpmfusion kmod drivers wouldn't install 
and the akmod driver that I had installed under F22 as a backup 
safeguard would not install in F23 because nouveau was in the kernel img 
files. These issues were rectified when I followed a tip from someone 
else on this list and installed the negativo17 repositories, which as 
part of there install added nouveau blacklist commands to the grub 
kernel line to bypass the requirement to remove nouveau from the kernel 
img files.
I have bitten the bullet and upgraded to F24 and xorg refused to start. 
Removing the kmod and akmod drivers caused the system to revert back to 
nouveau, but kde would not start from kdm because it couldn't find 
anything that provided Opengl 2 support. I had to use different 
install/uninstall methods 4 or 5 times before I could actually get the 
nvidia drivers used and the system actually started.
I will raise other threads on the mail list relative to other problems I 
am now encountering as a result of the upgrade to F24.

regards,
Steve
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