I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G, and am thinking of installing a different OS.
I would like to install Fedora, as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines, but I'm attracted by the fact that there is a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu) apparently specifically for the EeePC.
I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora? Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora on this very small machine?
Timothy Murphy ha scritto:
I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G, and am thinking of installing a different OS.
I would like to install Fedora,
Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora on this very small machine?
Hello Timothy, I started with an Ubuntu 9.04 on my eeepc 1000HD, but, (I don't know what,) "something" was wrong. So I decided to try with F11: I'm very happy! :) IHMO, there are some things to work out : Pulseaudio is a pain, default gnome is a little "heavy", (I'm thinking to switch to fluxbux), but I want to say that almost everything was working "out of the box". Oh, a kernel problem with the video card i915 and "tiling disabled" (google for it); but I don't complain : F11 is a preview right now.
And, of course, the big deal is "I'm feeling at home" with my Fedora! ;)
Anyway, I think that you can start with a live usb and guve it a try!
Ciao Alessandro
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G, and am thinking of installing a different OS.
I would like to install Fedora, as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines, but I'm attracted by the fact that there is a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu) apparently specifically for the EeePC.
I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora? Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora on this very small machine?
I have F11 running nicely on my 701 4G. I used the Live CD install since it makes things easy and is a very light install (size wise). I've updated my bios to get the full 900MHz instead of the stock 630.
Pros: - Nice a light install - No issues during install - All buttons work, even WiFi (on F11, didn't in F10).
Cons: - have to use EXT4 since it copies the live image over (arguably not good for SSD's and more I/O overhead) - Default Gnome is not as snappy as it could be. I've used Openbox/Gnome combo which helps but some config screens still don't work well for the 480 vertical display. I have to tab over and guess when the "OK" button is selected.
Richard
On 5/28/2009 8:00 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G, and am thinking of installing a different OS.
I would like to install Fedora, as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines, but I'm attracted by the fact that there is a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu) apparently specifically for the EeePC.
I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora? Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora on this very small machine?
Eee PC
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc
Haven't tried this. I don't have the machine. But it sounds workable.
On 05/28/2009 10:26 AM, David wrote:
On 5/28/2009 8:00 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G, and am thinking of installing a different OS.
I would like to install Fedora, as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines, but I'm attracted by the fact that there is a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu) apparently specifically for the EeePC.
I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora? Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora on this very small machine?
Eee PC
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EeePc
Haven't tried this. I don't have the machine. But it sounds workable.
I installed Fedora 10 on a E 1000 and it had drivers for everything.
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 13:00 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G, and am thinking of installing a different OS.
I would like to install Fedora, as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines, but I'm attracted by the fact that there is a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu) apparently specifically for the EeePC.
I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora? Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora on this very small machine?
I'll just repeat what I said a while back. I installed F11pre on my EeePC 1000HE and am delighted with it. Everything works, even the special function keys. Note that this machine has a 160GB hd inside, which may not be the case for you (EeePC models vary quite a lot).
poc
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G, and am thinking of installing a different OS.
This came up just a short time ago. To answer your question directly, I've found F10 to be a very good fit on my EeePC.
I put a LiveCD onto a SD card using livecd-iso-to-disk and installed from that, which gave me a pretty light install. I followed some of the advice at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Eee_PC
particularly the use of OpenBox and Epiphany.
I also tweaked my fstab to reduce writing to my internal flash storage:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2009-January/msg01418.html
In all, I love Fedora 10 on my EeePC. I'm excited about trying F11 soon...
I am using F10 on the EeePC which works ok, I just have problems with wakeup after suspend sometimes. You might also need to install some stuff from rpmfusion to get wireless working.
Another distribution to try would be: http://moblin.org/ . It is a bit like Xandros but nicer and is a Fedora fork, so it is very easy to install additional software with yum. It also has a user interface which works pretty good on netbooks. It comes with all the drivers you need for the EeePC.
Christof
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 14:00, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
I've got rather annoyed with the Xandros on my EeePC-4G, and am thinking of installing a different OS.
I would like to install Fedora, as I am running Fedora or CentOS on all my other machines, but I'm attracted by the fact that there is a version of Ubuntu (eeebuntu) apparently specifically for the EeePC.
I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora? Does anyone have an argument for installing Fedora on this very small machine?
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On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 17:38 +0200, Christof Damian wrote:
I am using F10 on the EeePC which works ok, I just have problems with wakeup after suspend sometimes. You might also need to install some stuff from rpmfusion to get wireless working.
I also had problems with Resume not reconnecting to the Wifi network. They went away when I updated to F11-beta.
poc
Christof Damian wrote:
Another distribution to try would be: http://moblin.org/ . It is a bit like Xandros but nicer and is a Fedora fork, so it is very easy to install additional software with yum. It also has a user interface which works pretty good on netbooks. It comes with all the drivers you need for the EeePC.
Moblin isn't really a fork of Fedora, it's a bizarre hodgepodge of Fedora, OpenSUSE and custom packages.
Kevin Kofler
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Timothy Murphy wrote:
I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora?
There used to be an Eeedora, but it is outdated (based on Fedora 8 which is no longer supported and only targeting the original EeePC 701). The stock Fedora should just work out of the box.
May-be on ASUS netbooks. For MSI-based netbooks (MSI-Wind, Medion E121x etc.), I would have to lie to recommend Fedora.
Ralf
On 05/29/2009 09:11 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Timothy Murphy wrote:
I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora?
There used to be an Eeedora, but it is outdated (based on Fedora 8 which is no longer supported and only targeting the original EeePC 701). The stock Fedora should just work out of the box.
May-be on ASUS netbooks. For MSI-based netbooks (MSI-Wind, Medion E121x etc.), I would have to lie to recommend Fedora.
The conversation wasn't really about MSI based notebooks but what problems are there and have they been reported?
Rahul
Another distribution to try would be: http://moblin.org/ . It is a bit like Xandros but nicer and is a Fedora fork,
Moblin isn't really as of itself a distribution or a Fedora fork (although clearly it draws some material from Fedora, just as Fedora does from Debian, and Debian from Fedora and so on).
Moblin is a base upon which you can build netbook and small Linux distributions. That has several important differences from say Fedora eg that "It doesn't contain package X" is generally considered a feature not a bug ;) as the less dependancies in that base the better.
Alan
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 05/29/2009 09:11 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Kevin Kofler wrote:
Timothy Murphy wrote:
I suppose there isn't an eeeFedora?
There used to be an Eeedora, but it is outdated (based on Fedora 8 which is no longer supported and only targeting the original EeePC 701). The stock Fedora should just work out of the box.
May-be on ASUS netbooks. For MSI-based netbooks (MSI-Wind, Medion E121x etc.), I would have to lie to recommend Fedora.
The conversation wasn't really about MSI based notebooks
The OP asked about EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu.
My answer to this question would be: If you simply want to use your netbook, you're likely better off using the OS the HW vendor supplies.
If you really want Linux, don't restrict yourselves to Fedora and Ubuntu, but also try other distros. As far as I am concerned, Fedora did not convince me on my netbook (A Medion E1210) and would expect them to also hit users on EeePCs, due to the similarity of the HW.
but what problems are there and have they been reported?
Most of them are of general nature.
In decreasing severity: 1) No usable WLAN driver. 2) New in F11: Various very hard to identify/isolate issues related to dbus, acpi, etc. 3) Many issues related to low-level, near-HW-SW (intel-X11, touchpad (disabled by default in F11, ...), sound (alsa/pulseaudio), networking (NetworkManager)) 4) Most desktop applications are not designed for usage on small displays. 5) Fedora's standard (gnome) desktop is _fat_ and bloated.
Fact is, I am still searching for a usable Linux distro, but haven't found any. I.e. for the first time in more than 15 years, I have not be been able to avoid to resorting to using Windows for "serious usage".
Ralf
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
The OP asked about EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu.
My answer to this question would be: If you simply want to use your netbook, you're likely better off using the OS the HW vendor supplies.
In my (fairly limited) experience, Xandros is not a good distribution. It does not seem to have a working repository system, so installing software (or upgrading) is not a simple process.
I actually started by installing eeebuntu , as I was attracted by the idea that it was specifically tailored for the EeePC. But I was slightly disappointed by this, perhaps because I am not very familiar with Ubuntu.
In any case, I decided to try Fedora-10, and found that much more to my liking. It actually worked better on my EeePC-4G, eg WiFi (to my surprise) worked out of the box, while eeebuntu seemed to require madwifi .
The one thing I learned from eeebuntu was that Unetbootin is much better than livecd-iso-to-disk , which for some reason did not work on my USB stick.
Also (very specific to the EeePC), ignore advice to go into the BIOS; just press Esc when re-booting and you will be asked which device you want to boot from.
On Sat, 30 May 2009 17:38:10 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: [....]
In my (fairly limited) experience, Xandros is not a good distribution. It does not seem to have a working repository system, so installing software (or upgrading) is not a simple process.
I actually started by installing eeebuntu , as I was attracted by the idea that it was specifically tailored for the EeePC. But I was slightly disappointed by this, perhaps because I am not very familiar with Ubuntu.
In any case, I decided to try Fedora-10, and found that much more to my liking. It actually worked better on my EeePC-4G, eg WiFi (to my surprise) worked out of the box, while eeebuntu seemed to require madwifi .
The one thing I learned from eeebuntu was that Unetbootin is much better than livecd-iso-to-disk , which for some reason did not work on my USB stick.
Also (very specific to the EeePC), ignore advice to go into the BIOS; just press Esc when re-booting and you will be asked which device you want to boot from.
I have the 701, one of the earliest smallest slowest, and have been trying one distro after another. I did not get the good result with F10 that others did -- some error of mine, no doubt, but I don't know what.
Of the ones I've been trying Crunchbang (specifically Cruncheee) and Linux Mint 7 seem the most promising. I had also planned to try F11 Live, but now I'm not sure ....
Ralf Corsepius rc040203@freenet.de writes:
The OP asked about EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu.
My answer to this question would be: If you simply want to use your netbook, you're likely better off using the OS the HW vendor supplies.
Some netbooks seem to be better than others. I have a Acer Aspire One here that works fine under F11. The wifi works fine as does NetworkManager once one gets around the bug that many of the config screens have the bottoms cut off and one needs to use and larger external LCD to setup the thing.
This machine isn't for me. I simply can't use those small keyboards. Gimme 19mm key spacing or some environment where I never have to use the keyboard.
-wolfgang
Beartooth wrote:
In any case, I decided to try Fedora-10, and found that much more to my liking. It actually worked better on my EeePC-4G, eg WiFi (to my surprise) worked out of the box, while eeebuntu seemed to require madwifi .
I have the 701, one of the earliest smallest slowest, and have been trying one distro after another. I did not get the good result with F10 that others did -- some error of mine, no doubt, but I don't know what.
My EeePC is also a 701. As far as I can see, Fedora-10 runs exactly the same on this machine as on my other laptops. Is your objection to Fedora-10 itself? (In which case you might like Eeebuntu.) Or is there some problem with running Fedora-10 on this machine?
If I had my time again I would probably use ext2 rather than ext3 as I have seen some warnings against ext3 on SSDs. I don't know if it is possible to downgrade an existing system?
On Saturday 30 May 2009 19:35:20 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Beartooth wrote:
In any case, I decided to try Fedora-10, and found that much more to my liking. It actually worked better on my EeePC-4G, eg WiFi (to my surprise) worked out of the box, while eeebuntu seemed to require madwifi .
I have the 701, one of the earliest smallest slowest, and have been trying one distro after another. I did not get the good result with F10 that others did -- some error of mine, no doubt, but I don't know what.
My EeePC is also a 701. As far as I can see, Fedora-10 runs exactly the same on this machine as on my other laptops. Is your objection to Fedora-10 itself? (In which case you might like Eeebuntu.) Or is there some problem with running Fedora-10 on this machine?
If I had my time again I would probably use ext2 rather than ext3 as I have seen some warnings against ext3 on SSDs. I don't know if it is possible to downgrade an existing system?
Worth googling for. Since ext3 is ext2+journal it should be simple enough.
Anne
Timothy Murphy wrote:
If I had my time again I would probably use ext2 rather than ext3 as I have seen some warnings against ext3 on SSDs. I don't know if it is possible to downgrade an existing system?
Yes, ext3 can be downgraded to ext2 easily. In fact, it's enough to just mount it as ext2. You can also delete the journal with tune2fs to save space.
Note that ext4 CANNOT be downgraded to ext3 or ext2 unless you never enabled extents.
Kevin Kofler
On 30/05/09 19:18, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
Ralf Corsepiusrc040203@freenet.de writes:
The OP asked about EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu.
My answer to this question would be: If you simply want to use your netbook, you're likely better off using the OS the HW vendor supplies.
Some netbooks seem to be better than others. I have a Acer Aspire One here that works fine under F11. The wifi works fine as does NetworkManager once one gets around the bug that many of the config screens have the bottoms cut off and one needs to use and larger external LCD to setup the thing.
Just on a usability note; if you press Alt and then use the left mouse button to click on any part of the dialog and drag the window around it's generally possible to get to the OK or Cancel buttons on most dialogue boxes.
Graeme Hilton fedora@fishter.org.uk writes:
Just on a usability note; if you press Alt and then use the left mouse button to click on any part of the dialog and drag the window around it's generally possible to get to the OK or Cancel buttons on most dialogue boxes.
The top bar seems to be an impenetrable barrier. Once the top of the dialog box hits it, it stops you from moving the box any higher. I included a screenshot attachment to show what the screen looks like after the box is moved as far up as possible.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=503200
-wolfgang
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
The top bar seems to be an impenetrable barrier. Once the top of the dialog box hits it, it stops you from moving the box any higher.
That sounds like a bug in Metacity. KWin allows you to move things off-screen just fine.
Kevin Kofler
Timothy Murphy wrote:
Beartooth wrote:
In any case, I decided to try Fedora-10, and found that much more to my liking. It actually worked better on my EeePC-4G, eg WiFi (to my surprise) worked out of the box, while eeebuntu seemed to require madwifi .
I have the 701, one of the earliest smallest slowest, and have been trying one distro after another. I did not get the good result with F10 that others did -- some error of mine, no doubt, but I don't know what.
My EeePC is also a 701. As far as I can see, Fedora-10 runs exactly the same on this machine as on my other laptops. Is your objection to Fedora-10 itself? (In which case you might like Eeebuntu.) Or is there some problem with running Fedora-10 on this machine?
If I had my time again I would probably use ext2 rather than ext3 as I have seen some warnings against ext3 on SSDs. I don't know if it is possible to downgrade an existing system?
The tune2fs program supports using an external journal, I didn't see an option to remove the journal from a filesystem, but you can use a mount option to force mount as ext2 (or could the last time I tried) a thus avoid the issue. That's as close to downgrading as I can help you get.
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 16:06 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
- Most desktop applications are not designed for usage on small
displays.
This is a problem even on ordinary laptops. 1280 by 800 is not uncommon, nor are similar low-height resolutions on desktop systems. I've come across a few applications that are too tall to comfortably use. Yo-yoing up and down is not a nice thing to have to do.
- Fedora's standard (gnome) desktop is _fat_ and bloated.
I'd say the same about KDE. There seems to be too much shovelling in of features into the desktop, whereas a simpler desktop and optional add-ons where you want those features, may be better.
e.g. Nautilus is useless as a file manager, it's just a file browser. I'd get rid of it, but it's a part of the whole desktop. Like the engine behind MSIE is also the Windows desktop. A problem in it, is an unavoidable problem with everything else.
Tim wrote:
I'd say the same about KDE. There seems to be too much shovelling in of features into the desktop, whereas a simpler desktop and optional add-ons where you want those features, may be better.
e.g. Nautilus is useless as a file manager, it's just a file browser. I'd get rid of it, but it's a part of the whole desktop. Like the engine behind MSIE is also the Windows desktop. A problem in it, is an unavoidable problem with everything else.
It's called "code reuse". It doesn't make sense to implement file browsing multiple times, once for the desktop to display the Desktop folder and once for everything else. That's also why the KDE 4 folder view plasmoid is in kdebase (not kdebase-workspace) and shares code with Dolphin and Konqueror.
Kevin Kofler
Yes, that is the better to use the OS from the vendor. As far as I know, eee PC linux is customized .
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht < wolfgang.rupprecht+gnus200905@gmail.comwolfgang.rupprecht%2Bgnus200905@gmail.com
wrote:
Ralf Corsepius rc040203@freenet.de writes:
The OP asked about EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu.
My answer to this question would be: If you simply want to use your netbook, you're likely better off using the OS the HW vendor supplies.
Some netbooks seem to be better than others. I have a Acer Aspire One here that works fine under F11. The wifi works fine as does NetworkManager once one gets around the bug that many of the config screens have the bottoms cut off and one needs to use and larger external LCD to setup the thing.
This machine isn't for me. I simply can't use those small keyboards. Gimme 19mm key spacing or some environment where I never have to use the keyboard.
-wolfgang
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On 06/02/2009 10:38 PM, Michael Leung wrote:
Yes, that is the better to use the OS from the vendor. As far as I know, eee PC linux is customized .
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Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@freenet.de <mailto:rc040203@freenet.de>> writes: > The OP asked about EeePC - Fedora or Ubuntu. > > My answer to this question would be: If you simply want to use your > netbook, you're likely better off using the OS the HW vendor supplies. Some netbooks seem to be better than others. I have a Acer Aspire One here that works fine under F11. The wifi works fine as does NetworkManager once one gets around the bug that many of the config screens have the bottoms cut off and one needs to use and larger external LCD to setup the thing. This machine isn't for me. I simply can't use those small keyboards. Gimme 19mm key spacing or some environment where I never have to use the keyboard. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht Android 1.5 (Cupcake) and Fedora-11 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com <mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines-- Regards, Michael Leung http://www.itblogs.info http://www.michaelleung.info
Fedora 10 works perfectly for a Asus 701 and a 1000.
Tim:
e.g. Nautilus is useless as a file manager, it's just a file browser. I'd get rid of it, but it's a part of the whole desktop. Like the engine behind MSIE is also the Windows desktop. A problem in it, is an unavoidable problem with everything else.
Kevin Kofler:
It's called "code reuse". It doesn't make sense to implement file browsing multiple times, once for
Yes, I know that. But the dependencies are being made at too high a level. It's the same as things depending on the whole of Firefox, rather than the gecko engine, because they want some small aspect of it.
Tim wrote:
Yes, I know that. But the dependencies are being made at too high a level. It's the same as things depending on the whole of Firefox, rather than the gecko engine, because they want some small aspect of it.
That's because Firefox was never designed to be a library, but got used as such (due to lack of alternatives; there was KHTML, but GTK+ apps couldn't really use it, WebKitGtk got available only much later). Only recently, they made xulrunner, which at least somewhat resembles a library (but it was too late for some apps which already decided to switch to WebKit).
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