Upgrading : give me strength ...

[Beartooth]

	I've tried all the tricks on this list a/o the troubleshooting 
site, over and over. I finally gave up : downloaded and burned a DVD -- 
and *still* hit the catch-22 error, with too little space in mnt/sysimage/
boot.

	Now what?

	Can I simply delete all of /boot, or everything in it? All of 
grub.conf? Or what? It's going to be a royal pain if I have to burn all 
my data to media, and then sneakermail that back onto each machine, 
instead of just upgrading f11 ....

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[Rahul Sundaram]

On 11/25/2009 09:11 PM, Beartooth wrote:

>  	That url is the "troubleshooting site" I meant. I've
> tried both 
>  ways. The first fails because I can't get enough cruft out of /boot; 
Ok. So whats the size of your /boot and how much space is left? How many
kernels do you have installed? You can use something like the Live CD to
resize your boot partition as well, I guess.

Rahul

TRIUMPH! Re: Upgrading : give me strength ...

[Beartooth]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:12:38 +0000, I Beartooth wrote:
	[....]
>  	I tried it in PC #3, which is *not* nearly so expendable, and
>  noticed this time that when it gets to partitioning, one choice is to
>  "replace existing linux installation" -- which might mean putting either
>  an upgrade or a fresh install into the space now used. What became of
>  the choice we used to have??
>  
>  	Btw, I also find, every time I hit the partitioner, it refuses to
>  let me increase /boot beyond 200 MB. 
	I gave up for now on PC #3, and tried the same DVD-RW in PC #2. 
It did hit a choice of upgrading, which I took -- whereupon it hung. I 
let it go a long long time, thinking it might yet manage, then finally 
hit Ctrl-Alt-Bs. There were two messages there saying that 30-second 
timeouts had been exceeded, and one admitting failure. 

	I hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete, and it restarted Anaconda -- but went yet 
again only to the screen without the upgrade option. <sigh>


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TRIUMPH! Re: Upgrading : give me strength ...

[Beartooth]

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:31:40 +0000, Beartooth wrote:

>  	PC #4, my oldest and slowest, is now running F12!
>  
>  	Gnat in ointment: I could swear I told it to upgrade existing
>  (and got suspicious when it let me "customize now"), but it didn't.
>  However, that machine and all it had were expendable.
>  
>  	What's more, that same DVD-RW, now in my Thinkpad T42, is
>  installing F12 again. It also just offered me the customization choice
>  -- and wouldn't let me go back, except by terminating the install; but
>  again, its data was expendable. 
	It did do a complete install -- but it evaporated all of my 
tweaks and data, including even my innumerable choices of apps to install 
or remove, on the T42 as well as on PC #4.

	I tried it in PC #3, which is *not* nearly so expendable, and 
noticed this time that when it gets to partitioning, one choice is to 
"replace existing linux installation" -- which might mean putting either 
an upgrade or a fresh install into the space now used. What became of the 
choice we used to have??

	Btw, I also find, every time I hit the partitioner, it refuses to 
let me increase /boot beyond 200 MB.

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TRIUMPH! Re: Upgrading : give me strength ...

[Beartooth]

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:19:49 +0000, I Beartooth wrote:
	[....]
>  	Meanwhile, there is a new development. I had burned the install
>  DVD on the first disk that came handy, which happened to be
>  double-sided. I thought to try a well-used DVD-RW instead, and put that
>  into #4 machine. It seems to be working. Stay tuned. 
	PC #4, my oldest and slowest, is now running F12!

	Gnat in ointment: I could swear I told it to upgrade existing 
(and got suspicious when it let me "customize now"), but it didn't. 
However, that machine and all it had were expendable.

	What's more, that same DVD-RW, now in my Thinkpad T42, is 
installing F12 again. It also just offered me the customization choice -- 
and wouldn't let me go back, except by terminating the install; but 
again, its data was expendable.

	Meanwhile, preupgrade still fails on PC #2 and #3 (and I have yet 
to try on #1 or the T30 Thinkpad), and on the EeePC running Omega. I'll 
try again, probably tomorrow (It's Thanksgiving here, and I'm the cook.), 
and report further.

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[Beartooth]

On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:08:58 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

>  On 11/25/2009 09:11 PM, Beartooth wrote:
>  
> > 	That url is the "troubleshooting site" I meant. I've tried both
> > ways. The first fails because I can't get enough cruft out of /boot;
>  
>  Ok. So whats the size of your /boot and how much space is left? How many
>  kernels do you have installed?  
	I'll have to post that one machine at a time; somehow (whether 
because of Pan 0.133, or my local access provider, or what, I don't know) 
it makes trouble to have multiple newsreaders running at once.

	Meanwhile, there is a new development. I had burned the install 
DVD on the first disk that came handy, which happened to be double-sided. 
I thought to try a well-used DVD-RW instead, and put that into #4 
machine. It seems to be working. Stay tuned.

>  You can use something like the Live CD to
>  resize your boot partition as well, I guess. 
	I did try both gparted and qtparted on one machine, and just got 
snarled up; I haven't tried the live CD yet, but will -- unless the new 
DVD really does succeed.

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[Beartooth]

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:31:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

>  On 11/24/2009 11:32 PM, Beartooth wrote:
> > 
> > 	I've tried all the tricks on this list a/o the troubleshooting
> > site, over and over. I finally gave up : downloaded and burned a DVD --
> > and *still* hit the catch-22 error, with too little space in
> > mnt/sysimage/ boot.
> > 
> > 	Now what?
> > 
> > 	Can I simply delete all of /boot, or everything in it? All of
> > grub.conf? Or what? It's going to be a royal pain if I have to burn all
> > my data to media, and then sneakermail that back onto each machine,
> > instead of just upgrading f11 ....
>  
>  A backup of your data is always a good idea. Also refer to
>  
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade#Troubleshooting 
	That url is the "troubleshooting site" I meant. I've tried both 
ways. The first fails because I can't get enough cruft out of /boot; the 
second, because my installer never pauses to give me the message it's 
supposed to. I've tried deleting the filler both before and after.

	I have 
$ rpm -q preupgrade
preupgrade-1.1.3-1.fc11.noarch
and 
$ rpm -q anaconda
anaconda-11.5.0.59-1.fc11.i586

	(I did the bit with temporarily enabling the extra repo and 
updating preupgrade.)

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[Bill Davidsen]

Beartooth wrote:
>  	I've tried all the tricks on this list a/o the troubleshooting 
>  site, over and over. I finally gave up : downloaded and burned a DVD -- 
>  and *still* hit the catch-22 error, with too little space in mnt/sysimage/
>  boot.
>  
>  	Now what?
>  
>  	Can I simply delete all of /boot, or everything in it? All of 
>  grub.conf? Or what? It's going to be a royal pain if I have to burn all 
>  my data to media, and then sneakermail that back onto each machine, 
>  instead of just upgrading f11 ....
>   
How about this:
- mount a USB drive
- copy /boot to the drive
- remount the USB as /boot in fstab
- upgrade
- do the obvious reversal of the process

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   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 11/24/2009 11:32 PM, Beartooth wrote:
>  
>  	I've tried all the tricks on this list a/o the troubleshooting 
>  site, over and over. I finally gave up : downloaded and burned a DVD -- 
>  and *still* hit the catch-22 error, with too little space in mnt/sysimage/
>  boot.
>  
>  	Now what?
>  
>  	Can I simply delete all of /boot, or everything in it? All of 
>  grub.conf? Or what? It's going to be a royal pain if I have to burn all 
>  my data to media, and then sneakermail that back onto each machine, 
>  instead of just upgrading f11 .... 
A backup of your data is always a good idea. Also refer to

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreUpgrade#Troubleshooting

Rahul

[Tim]

On Sun, 2010-12-19 at 15:17 +0000, Beartooth wrote: 

>  	I *like* this idea -- and apologize for not discovering it till 
>  now. But the latter half is Geek to me: what I know about fstab is how to 
>  spell it. And the man page is totally opaque, depending as usual on 
>  umpteen other things I can't even spell. I gather it's a plain text file, 
>  and I think the one I need is /etc/fstab; I presume I edit it somehow.  
Yes, /etc/fstab is *the* fstab (File System Table) that we refer to when
configuring mounting things onto the file system.


>  	Konqueror (which I run, under Gnome, almost entirely because it 
>  makes man pages so much more legible than my command line on a terminal) 
>  finds no man page for "remount". I presume I just do umount and -- what? 
>  The man pages jump from mergecap to multi (and from remap_file_pages to 
>  remque). How do I (re)mount something *in* a file?? 
Remounting could be using a remount option with the mount command, or
unmount something with the umount command (notice it's not unmount
command) then mount it with the mount command.  It could also be issuing
the "mount -a" command line, which will go through all the entries in
the fstab file, and mount them.

It's the mount command you want look into.

>  As for your  last line: obvious to whom? 
Obvious to meeeeeeee....  (thought process of the writer)  ;-)

At the end of the process, unmount the new special boot partition,
change the fstab file back to using the original boot partition, mount
the (original) boot partition.


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[Beartooth]

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:43:37 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
	[....]
>  How about this:
>  - mount a USB drive
>  - copy /boot to the drive
>  - remount the USB as /boot in fstab
>  - upgrade
>  - do the obvious reversal of the process 
	I *like* this idea -- and apologize for not discovering it till 
now. But the latter half is Geek to me: what I know about fstab is how to 
spell it. And the man page is totally opaque, depending as usual on 
umpteen other things I can't even spell. I gather it's a plain text file, 
and I think the one I need is /etc/fstab; I presume I edit it somehow. 

	Konqueror (which I run, under Gnome, almost entirely because it 
makes man pages so much more legible than my command line on a terminal) 
finds no man page for "remount". I presume I just do umount and -- what? 
The man pages jump from mergecap to multi (and from remap_file_pages to 
remque). How do I (re)mount something *in* a file??

	As for your  last line: obvious to whom? Has anyone recounted the 
classic definition of "obvious" here lately? The one about the Nobel 
laureate teaching postdocs?

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