How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[linux guy]

Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
instead of the nouveau driver.

Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.

DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
versions versus proprietary or anything else.

If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
freezing when you access some panel items ?

Thanks

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 12/22/2009 10:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?

I use the proprietary driver on all my systems due to lack of 3D and 
VDPAU support. Having a fancy boot splash transition is the least of my 
worries. My opinion is from a general user perspective. The Red Hat and 
X.org folks have done nice work with KMS.

As for the driver itself, I do not have any issues with my cards[1] or 
Fedora 12. I use my custom DKMS-based RPM on all my systems though. I 
don't care to have kmod/akmod packages infested on my systems.

Mike

[1] 8 series and 9 series cards, including one mobile gpu, 190.53 driver

[Roger]

On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?
>
> I use kmod-nvidia in Fedora 11 and akmod-nvidia in Fedora 12 because Nouveau is useless for 3D applications like Blender and Varicad.

Roger

[steven bellens]

2009/12/23 Roger :
> On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > instead of the nouveau driver.
> >
> > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> > freezing when you access some panel items ?

I use the proprietary nvidia driver with Fedora core 12 KDE. After
installing I experienced desktop freezing when accessing the KDE menu,
which was solved rather quickly by applying the fix of Rex Dieter:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533620. I had no problems
whatsover with the driver combined with KDE afterwards.

Steven
> > I use kmod-nvidia in Fedora 11 and akmod-nvidia in Fedora 12 because
> > Nouveau is useless for 3D applications like Blender and Varicad.
>
> Roger
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[Joonas Sarajärvi]

I use whatever Fedora uses when it is run in a Qemu/KVM virtual
machine. If I recall correctly, this driver has not yet gained KVM
capabilities.

I wonder why KMS support has been so slow to appear for the simplest devices.

2009/12/23, steven bellens :
> 2009/12/23 Roger :
> > On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > > instead of the nouveau driver.
> > >
> > > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> > > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> > > freezing when you access some panel items ?
>
> I use the proprietary nvidia driver with Fedora core 12 KDE. After
> installing I experienced desktop freezing when accessing the KDE menu,
> which was solved rather quickly by applying the fix of Rex Dieter:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533620. I had no problems
> whatsover with the driver combined with KDE afterwards.
>
> Steven
> > > I use kmod-nvidia in Fedora 11 and akmod-nvidia in Fedora 12 because
> > > Nouveau is useless for 3D applications like Blender and Varicad.
> >
> > Roger
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[Andrew Haley]

On 12/23/2009 04:21 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.

I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI
support at 2560x1600 resolution.  I haven't found a free driver that can
do that.

Andrew.

[Steven I Usdansky]

On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?

Nouveau driver will cause X to freeze my system (HP s3707c w/ onboard GeForce 9100), with rebooting being the only option. No problems at all with the proprietary nvidia driver.

[Colin Paul Adams]

> > > > > "Linuxguy123" == Linuxguy123   writes:

Linuxguy123> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the
    Linuxguy123> proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau
    Linuxguy123> driver.

Linuxguy123> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate
    Linuxguy123> on the free versions versus proprietary or anything
    Linuxguy123> else.

Stellarium won't work otherwise (it requires 3D acceleration).

Linuxguy123> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or
    Linuxguy123> some other non kms equipped driver, how are you
    Linuxguy123> finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience freezing when you
    Linuxguy123> access some panel items ?

No such problems for me.

[Richard Shaw]

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Linuxguy123  wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?

I use the akmods from rpmfusion on 3 systems without issue. Although
KMS is pretty, I get close enough with the vga=0x318 kernel parameter.
No freezing of any sort noticed under Gnome.

Richard

[Steve Searle]

Around 04:21am on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 (UK time), Linuxguy123 scrawled:
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.

Please sir, can I have permission to post something.  I know you are in
charge and that this mailing list is run soley for your benefit.

[Dan Burkland]

I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure).

Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:fedora-list-
> [e-mail]] On Behalf Of Steven I Usdansky
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 5:40 AM
> To: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora.
> Subject: Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ?
> (Or other non kms driver ?)
>
> On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > instead of the nouveau driver.
> >
> > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> > freezing when you access some panel items ?
>
> Nouveau driver will cause X to freeze my system (HP s3707c w/ onboard
> GeForce 9100), with rebooting being the only option. No problems at all
> with the proprietary nvidia driver.
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[Greg Woods]

On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 21:21 -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.

I use the proprietary Nvidia driver on two different workstations under
F12, one at home and one at work, for two different reasons. At home, I
have a MythTV server and my desktop is a front end, so I need VDPAU. I
also have some 3D games, so I need 3D. Neither of those is supported by
nouveau. I have no display-related problems with this machine. I have
another machine that is mostly a server that uses the same relatively
new Dell monitor, and so I just use nouveau on that machine (don't need
3D or VDPAU). It happily does full HD resolution without problems.

At work, I have an old Dell monitor that doesn't do EDID, and I can't
get nouveau to do anything better than 1024x768 on it even if I use
system-config-display to tell it that the monitor is a 1920x1080 flat
panel (which it is). The proprietary driver doesn't do full HD either,
but at least I can get it up to 1280. On this machine, I do get periodic
freezes, where the mouse pointer still moves around the screen, but
clicking or typing have no effect. Only a hard reset/reboot fixes this.
Any mention of this immediately gets fingers pointed at the proprietary
driver, so I am kind of stuck on this one. I just have to get a newer
monitor I guess.

The two machines are both i386 32-bit, but they are not identical. The
work machine is a Core Duo, and the home machine is a dual core
Pentium-4.

So I guess I would say that my results are mixed.

--Greg

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 12/23/2009 07:54 PM, Dan Burkland wrote:
> I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure).
>
> Dan

http://skeggsb.livejournal.com/568.html

Nouveau in Fedora 12 has support for KMS.  It is very the same codebase
that has been merged in 2.6.23 now. The proprietary Nvidia driver
doesn't support KMS.  KMS is not just pretty bootup btw. Refer to

http://keithp.com/blog/kernel-mode-drivers/

Rahul

[Christopher A Williams]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 08:24 -0600, Dan Burkland wrote:
> > On 12/23/2009 03:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > > instead of the nouveau driver.
> > >
> > > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> > > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> > > freezing when you access some panel items ?
> >
> > Nouveau driver will cause X to freeze my system (HP s3707c w/ onboard
> > GeForce 9100), with rebooting being the only option. No problems at all
> > with the proprietary nvidia driver.

<edited to restore content in bottom posting style...>
> I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D acceleration over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may give Nouveau as it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite sure).
>
> Dan

I'm using the proprietary driver on F12 (from RPMFusion) with nouveau
blacklisted according to other posts. I also upgraded to the patched
version of xorg currently on Koji that fixes issues with the proprietary
driver and X.

Everything works much better than with the current nouveau driver. True
3D support is _far_ more important to me (and my kids who plat a lot of
opengl based games - Extreme Tux Racer for example) than having a
Plymouth/kms based bootup. I also need the accelerated graphics to fully
support accelerated graphics with VMware Workstation 7. The proprietary
nVidia drivers support this in Workstation. The nouveau drivers don't.

The graphical startup is certainly nice, but sacrificing hours of
performance issues and enduring the loss of useful and needed function
for a targetd 20 seconds "Plymouth prettiness" just doesn't cut it for
me. I'll live with 20 seconds of the little blue/white bootup lines
instead.

If and when nouveau provides the level of 3D performance and stability
found in the proprietary driver, I will consider making the switch...

Cheers,

Chris

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=============================
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I dream things as they never were and ask, 'Why not?'"

-- George Bernard Shaw

[Dan Burkland]

Thanks for the link, it was an interesting read. Looks like I'll be doing some testing this week :)

Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:fedora-list-
> [e-mail]] On Behalf Of Rahul Sundaram
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:47 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: How many people need to use the proprietary NVIDIA driver ?
> (Or other non kms driver ?)
>
> On 12/23/2009 07:54 PM, Dan Burkland wrote:
> > I have used the proprietary driver for its superb handling of 3D
>
> acceleration over nouveau. However, with the release of 2.6.33 near, I may
> give Nouveau as it now supports KMS (It may have in the past I'm not quite
> sure).
> > Dan
>
> http://skeggsb.livejournal.com/568.html
>
> Nouveau in Fedora 12 has support for KMS.  It is very the same codebase
> that has been merged in 2.6.23 now. The proprietary Nvidia driver
> doesn't support KMS.  KMS is not just pretty bootup btw. Refer to
>
> http://keithp.com/blog/kernel-mode-drivers/
>
> Rahul
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[Robert McBroom]

Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?

Yes.  Just getting F12 going after many adventures.  nouveau was total
disaster, nv limps.  Five systems with three generations of NVIDIA cards.

Robert McBroom

[Andy Campbell]

> I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI
> support at 2560x1600 resolution.  I haven't found a free driver that can
> do that.
>
> Andrew.

Same here Dual-Link DVI. Although the nouveau drivers don't seem to
work on laptop either so I have to proprietary there to.

On the desktop haven't got Compiz to work with the proprietary drivers
just seg faults :-(

[Theodore Papadopoulo]

Andy Campbell wrote:
> > I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI
> > support at 2560x1600 resolution.  I haven't found a free driver that can
> > do that.

Also only the proprietary driver allows the use of CUDA....

[Sam Sharpe]

2009/12/23 Linuxguy123 :
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.

Define "must". I use the driver from rpmfusion, not because I "must",
but because I choose to.

I have dual monitors at work, driven by an NVidia NVS 290. It does
work on F12 with nouveau as I tried it. But I lose 3D acceleration
which I "like" (not need) because I find that some of the Compiz
effects actually speed my workflow. (things like window previews are
reasonably useful when you have tens of terminals or browser windows
open)

I would say that I need to use the proprietary driver, because it
improves my work - but there is no technical necessity.
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?

I have no problems in this area. I find the rpmfusion provided driver
more stable for what I want to do than nouveau.

--
Sam

[Anuar, Nuhairi]

> > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver

instead of the nouveau driver.
Yes, I must use proprietary driver. Nouveau is too slow for my machine.
> > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms

equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
freezing when you access some panel items ?
It works fine on F11 but crashed a few time on F12. BTW, my card is Nvidia 9800gtx+.

-----Original Message-----
From: Linuxguy123 [mailto:[e-mail]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:21 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
instead of the nouveau driver.

Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.

DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
versions versus proprietary or anything else.

If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
freezing when you access some panel items ?

Thanks

[Roger]

I used akmod-nvidia on Fedora 12 for 3D but the screen resolution is 
glunky compared to Fedora 12.
Could not install the proprietary nvidia driver.

For instance, I am trialling Varicad in F12 and it looks average, large 
icons, mouse movements average,  but Blender 2.49 works well.
In Fedora 11 Varicad works and looks very nice, small icons, snappy 
movement, very clean.
Screen resolution in both F11 and F12 is set the same.
I use Geforce 8600GT video card.
Generally everything else worked well in F12.
Roger

On 12/24/2009 05:17 PM, Anuar, Nuhairi wrote:
> > > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
>
> instead of the nouveau driver.
> Yes, I must use proprietary driver. Nouveau is too slow for my machine.
> > > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
>
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?
> It works fine on F11 but crashed a few time on F12. BTW, my card is Nvidia 9800gtx+.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linuxguy123 [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:21 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)
>
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?
>
> Thanks

[Andrew Haley]

On 12/23/2009 09:53 AM, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 12/23/2009 04:21 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > instead of the nouveau driver.
> >
> > Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
> >
> > DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> > versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>
> I'm still using the proprietary driver because I need full dual-link DVI
> support at 2560x1600 resolution.  I haven't found a free driver that can
> do that.

Actually, I withdraw that comment.  I just installed F12 with all the updates
and I don't need the proprietary nvidia driver.  Big congrats to the developers:
one more piece of unfree software I no longer need.

Andrew.

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 07:28:56 -0700,
  Greg Woods  wrote:
> At work, I have an old Dell monitor that doesn't do EDID, and I can't
> get nouveau to do anything better than 1024x768 on it even if I use
> system-config-display to tell it that the monitor is a 1920x1080 flat
> panel (which it is). The proprietary driver doesn't do full HD either,
> but at least I can get it up to 1280. On this machine, I do get periodic
> freezes, where the mouse pointer still moves around the screen, but
> clicking or typing have no effect. Only a hard reset/reboot fixes this.
> Any mention of this immediately gets fingers pointed at the proprietary
> driver, so I am kind of stuck on this one. I just have to get a newer
> monitor I guess.

In recent releases some default mode lines stopped being generated, so
that just requesting a higher resolution in your xorg.conf file won't
work. You also need to define appropriate mode lines as well. You can
use cvt (or a couple of other programs) to generate mode lines that
won't fry your hardware and add them to your xorg.conf file. I have
a couple of monitors that I need to do that with.

For example:

# Xorg configuration created by system-config-display

Section "ServerLayout"
    Identifier     "single head configuration"
    Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
    InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"

# keyboard added by system-config-display
    Identifier  "Keyboard0"
    Driver      "kbd"
    Option	    "XkbModel" "pc105+inet"
    Option	    "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
    Identifier   "Monitor0"
    ModelName    "NEC MultiSync LCD2010X"
    HorizSync    31.0 - 80.0
    VertRefresh  56.0 - 85.0
    Modeline "1280x1024_70.00"  129.00  1280 1368 1504 1728  1024 1027 1034 1069 -hsync +vsync
    Option	    "dpms"
EndSection

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "Videocard0"
    Driver      "nouveau"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
    Identifier "Screen0"
    Device     "Videocard0"
    Monitor    "Monitor0"
    DefaultDepth     24
    SubSection "Display"
    	Viewport   0 0
    	Virtual 1280 1024
    	Depth     24
    	Modes "1280x1024_70.00"
    EndSubSection
EndSection

[Mike Chambers]

On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 07:28 -0700, Greg Woods wrote:
> I use the proprietary Nvidia driver on two different workstations under
> F12, one at home and one at work, for two different reasons. At home, I
> have a MythTV server and my desktop is a front end, so I need VDPAU. I
> also have some 3D games, so I need 3D. Neither of those is supported by
> nouveau. I have no display-related problems with this machine. I have
> another machine that is mostly a server that uses the same relatively
> new Dell monitor, and so I just use nouveau on that machine (don't need
> 3D or VDPAU). It happily does full HD resolution without problems.

Do/did you notice that your screen appeared a tad bigger once you went
to the propr. driver?  As in, your fonts (evolution as example) appear
smaller than before?

[Greg Woods]

On Fri, 2009-12-25 at 07:42 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote:
> Do/did you notice that your screen appeared a tad bigger once you went
> to the propr. driver?  As in, your fonts (evolution as example) appear
> smaller than before?

I"m not sure I understand the question.

Obviously if you are running at higher res, the same font "appears" to
be smaller. Lower res makes the font look "bigger".

If you are talking about the console screen rather than the X screen,
that is influenced by a lot of different things, including the video
driver you are using, but not by your X configuration.

--Greg

[thomas cameron]

On 12/22/2009 10:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?
>
> Thanks

I use the proprietary driver.  I hate that I have to, but in order to
use the full capabilities of my video card I have to.

It was a bit of a challenge to make it work but nothing insurmountable.
 I've had no problems on my end.

Thomas

[Colin Paul Adams]

> > > > > "Colin" == Colin Paul Adams  writes:
> > > > > "Linuxguy123" == Linuxguy123   writes:

Linuxguy123> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the
    Linuxguy123> proprietary nvidia driver instead of the nouveau
    Linuxguy123> driver.

Linuxguy123> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate
    Linuxguy123> on the free versions versus proprietary or anything
    Linuxguy123> else.

Colin> Stellarium won't work otherwise (it requires 3D
    Colin> acceleration).

Linuxguy123> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or
    Linuxguy123> some other non kms equipped driver, how are you
    Linuxguy123> finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience freezing when you
    Linuxguy123> access some panel items ?

Colin> No such problems for me.  -- Colin Adams Preston Lancashire

One problem I do have (and I'm guessing it's related to the proprietary
driver), is that if I try to switch to a non-X console (using
Ctrl-Alt-Fn), then all I see is a mass of linear colours.

[fedora] How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Dave Martin]

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 09:21:18PM -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?

I wish I could use the proprietary driver.  But there isn't one yet.

I have a Quadro NVS 160M, Fedora 12, 64bit.

nouveau works rather well out of the box, but I lose compositing and
many if not all of the 3D functions.

Blender does run, but has display update issues.  I'm not sure if that's
a driver or Blender issue.
> Thanks
>
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[fedora] How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[steven bellens]

2010/1/4 Dave Martin :
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 09:21:18PM -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > instead of the nouveau driver.
> >
> > Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
> >
> > DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> > versions versus proprietary or anything else.
> >
> > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> > freezing when you access some panel items ?
>
> I wish I could use the proprietary driver.  But there isn't one yet.

There is: http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-nvidia.html#nvidia_driver_versi...
> I have a Quadro NVS 160M, Fedora 12, 64bit.

Me too (KDE), and its working fine with the proprietary driver!

Steven
> nouveau works rather well out of the box, but I lose compositing and
> many if not all of the 3D functions.
>
> Blender does run, but has display update issues.  I'm not sure if that's
> a driver or Blender issue.
> > Thanks
> >
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[DJ Delorie]

Linuxguy123  writes:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.

I tried (and aborted) an upgrade from FC6 to F12.  The Nouveau driver
didn't support my second GPU card, and I had a %&*$ of a time getting
it to let me install the nvidia driver.

Unfortunately, the nvidia driver didn't work either - HUGE delays in X
events, kernel/vga/whatever problems, etc.  After four hours I gave up
and restored FC6.  Yes, I did try the rawhide kernel too.

For the record: I have a pair of 9800 GT 512MB.  The primary card
drives a Dell 3008WFP (2560x1600 landscape) and a Dell 2001FP
(1600x1200 landscape).  The secondary card drives a pair of Dell
2001FPs (1200x1600 portrait).  I currently use nvidia's proprietary
driver with Xinerama - no RandR, no compiz :(

[fedora] Re: How many people need to use the proprietary nvidia driver ? (Or other non kms driver ?)

[Dave Martin]

On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 03:08:39PM +0100, steven bellens wrote:
> 2010/1/4 Dave Martin :
> > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 09:21:18PM -0700, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> > > Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> > > instead of the nouveau driver.
> > >
> > > Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
> > >
> > > DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> > > versions versus proprietary or anything else.
> > >
> > > If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> > > equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ? ?Ie do you experience
> > > freezing when you access some panel items ?
> >
> > I wish I could use the proprietary driver. ?But there isn't one yet.
>
> There is: http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-nvidia.html#nvidia_driver_versi...

Silly me.  I was using their search function.  I'm running with it now.
It did fix the blender issue.  I haven't turned Compiz on yet.

Thanks.

[Robin Laing]

On 12/22/2009 09:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.
>
> Or some other video driver that doesn't support kernel mode switching.
>
> DON'T reply otherwise, I don't want to hear a debate on the free
> versions versus proprietary or anything else.
>
> If you are using the proprietary nvidia driver or some other non kms
> equipped driver, how are you finding F12 ?  Ie do you experience
> freezing when you access some panel items ?
>
> Thanks

I tried the Nouveau driver on a new laptop but it didn't support 3D for 
Stellarium or games.  I see that there is some open source 3D but I 
couldn't find the rpm.  When there is an RPM I will try it. (Gallium)

I have an old laptop that is running the Nouveau driver but it's 
response is slower than under F7.  I will test the Nvidia driver and if 
it responds faster, then I will leave it on. (Multimedia)

At work I need 3D support.

Desktop at home needs 3D support.

4 machines - 3 Nvidia 1 Nouveau (for now)

[Bill McGonigle]

On 12/22/2009 11:21 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> Please reply if you need to ( ie must) use the proprietary nvidia driver
> instead of the nouveau driver.

Yes, TV-Out for MythDora.  Not on F12 yet, but that's in the works.

It's frustrating enough that I'd switch video cards if there was decent 
free driver support.

-Bill