Hi!
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
Thank you.
Fred
On 2016-05-01 at 18:03:02 Frederic Muller wrote:
Hi!
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
Please give an example of a website on which you would expect to see a vertical scroll bar that isn't there.
On 05/01/2016 08:00 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 2016-05-01 at 18:03:02 Frederic Muller wrote:
Hi!
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
Please give an example of a website on which you would expect to see a vertical scroll bar that isn't there.
Sure. I've found more sites with vertical scroll bars after posting the message. :-/ One for example would be https://slashdot.org/
Thank you.
Fred
On 05/01/16 21:07, Frederic Muller wrote:
Sure. I've found more sites with vertical scroll bars after posting the message. :-/ One for example would be https://slashdot.org/
No problem for me on this site.
I don't normally use FF, so I don't have very many extensions installed. Have you tried running with your extensions disabled?
On 05/01/2016 08:53 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 05/01/16 21:07, Frederic Muller wrote:
Sure. I've found more sites with vertical scroll bars after posting the message. :-/ One for example would be https://slashdot.org/
No problem for me on this site.
I don't normally use FF, so I don't have very many extensions installed. Have you tried running with your extensions disabled?
Thanks for the suggestions, I should have started there. The only weird thing is the lack of consistency... I've just renamed the ,mozilla folder which I have been keeping around for many years and no problems anymore.
I guess I need to figure out what could be causing the issue (add-ons?) by myself now.
Thanks again.
Fred
On 05/01/2016 08:07 AM, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 05/01/2016 08:00 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 2016-05-01 at 18:03:02 Frederic Muller wrote:
Hi!
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
Please give an example of a website on which you would expect to see a vertical scroll bar that isn't there.
Sure. I've found more sites with vertical scroll bars after posting the message. :-/ One for example would be https://slashdot.org/
Thank you.
Fred
Just checked it out. Slashdot has the scroll bar. F/F 45.0.2.
--doug
On 05/02/2016 09:17 AM, Doug wrote:
On 05/01/2016 08:07 AM, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 05/01/2016 08:00 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote:
On 2016-05-01 at 18:03:02 Frederic Muller wrote:
Hi!
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
Please give an example of a website on which you would expect to see a vertical scroll bar that isn't there.
Sure. I've found more sites with vertical scroll bars after posting the message. :-/ One for example would be https://slashdot.org/
Thank you.
Fred
Just checked it out. Slashdot has the scroll bar. F/F 45.0.2.
--doug
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Maybe as a wrap up I'd like to add it only started with v46 and disabling the add-ons didn't fix it. So I just had to export bookmarks, saved passwords and remove the .mozilla folder. That fixed it. I reinstalled the add-ons and all my scroll bars are back.
Fred
On 05/01/16 19:03, Frederic Muller wrote:
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
I have a vertical scroll bar on all the sites that I'd expect having one. What site(s) don't show for you?
On 05/01/2016 08:10 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 05/01/16 19:03, Frederic Muller wrote:
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
I have a vertical scroll bar on all the sites that I'd expect having one. What site(s) don't show for you?
Another one could be https://www.hikashop.com/ (among the few I have noticed so far).
Thank you.
Fred
On 05/01/16 21:19, Frederic Muller wrote:
On 05/01/2016 08:10 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 05/01/16 19:03, Frederic Muller wrote:
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
I have a vertical scroll bar on all the sites that I'd expect having one. What site(s) don't show for you?
Another one could be https://www.hikashop.com/ (among the few I have noticed so far).
I've got vertical scroll bars for that site.....
Perhaps it is there, but just so thin you don't see it?
I found this somewhere a while back and it helps greatly with gtk scrollbars:
zooty> cat .config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css .scrollbar { -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1; -GtkRange-slider-width: 15; -GtkRange-stepper-size: 20; }
Scrollbar wide enough to see and arrows to click on to move a small amount instead of having long lists go zooming off the top or bottom when you try to move the thumb.
On 01/05/16 23:24, Tom Horsley wrote:
Perhaps it is there, but just so thin you don't see it?
I found this somewhere a while back and it helps greatly with gtk scrollbars:
zooty> cat .config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css .scrollbar { -GtkScrollbar-has-backward-stepper: 1; -GtkScrollbar-has-forward-stepper: 1; -GtkRange-slider-width: 15; -GtkRange-stepper-size: 20; }
Scrollbar wide enough to see and arrows to click on to move a small amount instead of having long lists go zooming off the top or bottom when you try to move the thumb.
Thanks Tom, this is brilliant. I am on Firefox 49.0a1 and Thunderbird 48.0a1, and for quite a number of versions they have not been showing arrows at the top and bottom of vertical scrollbars, which this css has put back. Gedit under plasma had the same issue, although Gedit has also implemented mouse-over scrollbars, that people will be used to if they also use Ubuntu. I've just checked Gedit and this css has rectified this issue there too. I've never been able to get anybody to explain to me why this has happened, as plasma System-Settings, which I believe is a gtk app, has always had the top and bottom arrows when Firefox, Thunderbird and Gedit didn't.
regards, Steve
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Ed Greshko writes:
On 05/01/16 19:03, Frederic Muller wrote:
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
I have a vertical scroll bar on all the sites that I'd expect having one. What site(s) don't show for you?
I must also report that Firefox still has, sadly, the same brain-damaged Gnome-based scrollbar it had for the last few releases; which swaps the traditional functionality of the left and right mouse button clicks.
On 1 May 2016 at 23:59, Sam Varshavchik mrsam@courier-mta.com wrote:
Ed Greshko writes:
On 05/01/16 19:03, Frederic Muller wrote:
Firefox just got upgraded to version 46 and it seems there is no way to have vertical scroll bars on most websites (I've found a few exception). Is this a new option and is there a way to set it back to showing those scroll bars?
I have a vertical scroll bar on all the sites that I'd expect having one. What site(s) don't show for you?
I must also report that Firefox still has, sadly, the same brain-damaged Gnome-based scrollbar it had for the last few releases; which swaps the traditional functionality of the left and right mouse button clicks.
From an older thread in this ML, that behaviour can be reverted to the old way by adding this line to ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini: gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=false
Ahmad Samir writes:
From an older thread in this ML, that behaviour can be reverted to the old way by adding this line to ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini: gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=false
Yes, I remember that thread. And I don't really think this is a valid answer. If Gnome wants to change decades-old UI paradigms, the proper way to do that was to add a setting that must be explicitly adjusted in order to get the new behavior. So that everyone who feels like they want to swap what their mouse buttons do can easily change that. Not to make the new behavior the default and pull the rug out from everyone's feet; and make everyone who prefers the existing behavior to go and figure out some undocumented settings.
And I just checked, I don't even have this settings.ini file in the first place.
$ pwd /home/mrsam/.config/gtk-3.0 $ ls -al total 16 drwx------. 2 mrsam mrsam 4096 Jan 2 10:43 . drwxr-xr-x. 28 mrsam mrsam 4096 Mar 13 14:21 ..
So, there isn't even the "well, here's the config file with every settings documented in it" excuse, to fall back on.
Two years ago all of my desktops were Gnome, like they've been for the previous ~15 years. They're now XFCE. Sadly, I still have to deal with Gnome's idiocy shining through the applications that use gtk.
On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Sam Varshavchik mrsam@courier-mta.com wrote:
Yes, I remember that thread. And I don't really think this is a valid answer. If Gnome wants to change decades-old UI paradigms, the proper way to do that was to add a setting that must be explicitly adjusted in order to get the new behavior. So that everyone who feels like they want to swap what their mouse buttons do can easily change that. Not to make the new behavior the default and pull the rug out from everyone's feet; and make everyone who prefers the existing behavior to go and figure out some undocumented settings.
This topic for discussion is raised too many times, so it even become "talk of the Linux Community". And this is not the right place to tell how are you angry on GNOME team.
Someone agreed with their new viewings on things, and someone not. And there's no way to please everyone.
And I just checked, I don't even have this settings.ini file in the first place.
Then just create it. Add `[Settings]` section, and then `gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = false`. [1]
Two years ago all of my desktops were Gnome, like they've been for the previous ~15 years. They're now XFCE. Sadly, I still have to deal with Gnome's idiocy shining through the applications that use gtk.
There was the time, then I was like you. I did'nt understood these changes, and sticked with KDE 4. But then KDE 4 was dropped by KDE Team and development of KDE 5 started. So I just was forced to use GNOME because of some KDE 4 bugs, which now will never be fixes. And only then I understood the GNOME 3 idea. All the things, which I tried to do using *configurability* of KDE 4, GNOME Team has done for me in GNOME 3.
[1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GTK%2B#Basic_theme_configuration
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