yum first-time user question

[Tom Poe]

It has been an interesting 24 hours.  Managed to get what appears to be
a RH8 apt-get dist-upgrade to take.  Now, also have a yum version for
rh8 installed, and a /etc/yum.conf file to look at.  I want to use yum
to move rh8 up to rh9.  Can you point me to the documentation to set yum
up to do that?  Any pointers appreciated.  My goal is to keep upgrading
until I get to FC4.  Is this doable, without the ability to burn CDs?
Tom

[Stelian Iancu]

tom poe wrote:
>  It has been an interesting 24 hours.  Managed to get what appears to
> be
>  a RH8 apt-get dist-upgrade to take.  Now, also have a yum version for
>  rh8 installed, and a /etc/yum.conf file to look at.  I want to use yum
>  to move rh8 up to rh9.  Can you point me to the documentation to set yum
>  up to do that?  Any pointers appreciated.  My goal is to keep upgrading
>  until I get to FC4.  Is this doable, without the ability to burn CDs?
>  Tom 
Yes, by doing a fresh install from the network :-). Seriously now, there
are some issues about upgrading from one version to another using yum.
See the list archives. The recommended to install FC4 is backup - fresh
install - get the data back from the backup.

S.

[ne...]

On 01 Jul 2005 09:50:15 -0500, tom poe <tompoe(a)fiai.net&gt; wrote:
>  It has been an interesting 24 hours.  Managed to get what appears to
> be
>  a RH8 apt-get dist-upgrade to take.  Now, also have a yum version for
>  rh8 installed, and a /etc/yum.conf file to look at.  I want to use yum
>  to move rh8 up to rh9.  Can you point me to the documentation to set yum
>  up to do that?  Any pointers appreciated.  My goal is to keep upgrading
>  until I get to FC4.  Is this doable, without the ability to burn CDs?
>  Tom 
If you have a fast connection and can dl the cd/dvd, you can install
from the hard drive. All you need do is copy the relevant vmlinuz
and initrd.img to /boot, amend lilo.conf/grub.conf to suit, backup
/home & /etc and reboot. You'll then have various ways to install
FC4. 

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[Tom Poe]

Hi, ne:  Sounds good.  I am on dsl, a new thing for me.  Downloading
seems to be about 27Kb/something.  I'll give it a go, but would feel
more comfortable, if there was some documentation of the steps to
follow.  I'll start a google search to see if I can find something
similar (but with more detail) to what you described, below.  Wish me
luck.  Tom

On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 10:14, ne... wrote:
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>  If you have a fast connection and can dl the cd/dvd, you can install
>  from the hard drive. All you need do is copy the relevant vmlinuz
>  and initrd.img to /boot, amend lilo.conf/grub.conf to suit, backup
>  /home & /etc and reboot. You'll then have various ways to install
>  FC4. 
>  
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[Mike McCarty]

tom poe wrote:

> Hi, ne:  Sounds good.  I am on dsl, a new thing for me.  Downloading
> seems to be about 27Kb/something.  I'll give it a go, but would feel
> more comfortable, if there was some documentation of the steps to
> follow.  I'll start a google search to see if I can find something
> similar (but with more detail) to what you described, below.  Wish me
> luck.  Tom
>
> On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 10:14, ne... wrote:
> - - - snip - - -
>   
>
> >If you have a fast connection and can dl the cd/dvd, you can install
> >from the hard drive. All you need do is copy the relevant vmlinuz
> >and initrd.img to /boot, amend lilo.conf/grub.conf to suit, backup
> >/home & /etc and reboot. You'll then have various ways to install
> >FC4. 
> >    
> > 
Instead of luck, how about a little advice? Don't try to download the
images
using a browser. Use wget. Poke around on the web until you find the
mirror(s) you wish to use, and get the URLs for the ISOs. Then use wget
to do the download(s). You might also want to look into the -c option
of wget. When downloads take > 20 hours, sometimes things happen.
I needed to reboot under Windows, for example. In any case, not having
to hover over the download is a great convenience. One caveat: wget can't
handle the DVD ISO, I believe. It has a 2GIG file size limit, IIRC.

Mike

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[Mike McCarty]

tom poe wrote:

> It has been an interesting 24 hours.  Managed to get what appears to
> be
> a RH8 apt-get dist-upgrade to take.  Now, also have a yum version for
> rh8 installed, and a /etc/yum.conf file to look at.  I want to use yum
> to move rh8 up to rh9.  Can you point me to the documentation to set yum
> up to do that?  Any pointers appreciated.  My goal is to keep upgrading
> until I get to FC4.  Is this doable, without the ability to burn CDs?
> Tom
>   
>  
I'll bet it has. You have certainly set yourself a challenging goal.
Perhaps I shouldn't use the word "goal". Umm, project.
(I hear that the word "goal" implies that one has a plan to achieve
one's desire, which has a reasonable chance of success.)

Why do you need to do that without the ability to burn CDs? IIRC, the
last time I bought a CD burner, it was about $40 USD. Even if you pay
yourself only $5 USD per hour, you'll burn that in one day.

Of course, download time is pretty gruesome. I got those 4 ISOs using
ADSL, and it took me two full 24 hour days to get all of them.

Mike

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[Tom Poe]

Hi, Mike:  I'm on a VA pension.  I have to wait until CD burners are
available through university surplus stores in the $5 dollar range.  :)

OK, so, can I use yum to upgrade from RH8 to RH9?  Do you know where I
look to find the URLs to put in the yum.conf file that would do that?
Thanks, Tom

On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 10:26, Mike McCarty wrote:
>  tom poe wrote:
>  
>  >It has been an interesting 24 hours.  Managed to get what appears to be
>  >a RH8 apt-get dist-upgrade to take.  Now, also have a yum version for
>  >rh8 installed, and a /etc/yum.conf file to look at.  I want to use yum
>  >to move rh8 up to rh9.  Can you point me to the documentation to set yum
>  >up to do that?  Any pointers appreciated.  My goal is to keep upgrading
>  >until I get to FC4.  Is this doable, without the ability to burn CDs?
>  >Tom
>  >  
>  >
>  I'll bet it has. You have certainly set yourself a challenging goal.
>  Perhaps I shouldn't use the word "goal". Umm, project.
>  (I hear that the word "goal" implies that one has a plan to achieve
>  one's desire, which has a reasonable chance of success.)
>  
>  Why do you need to do that without the ability to burn CDs? IIRC, the
>  last time I bought a CD burner, it was about $40 USD. Even if you pay
>  yourself only $5 USD per hour, you'll burn that in one day.
>  
>  Of course, download time is pretty gruesome. I got those 4 ISOs using
>  ADSL, and it took me two full 24 hour days to get all of them.
>  
>  Mike
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[Mike McCarty]

tom poe wrote:

> Hi, Mike:  I'm on a VA pension.  I have to wait until CD burners
> are
> available through university surplus stores in the $5 dollar range.  :)
>
> OK, so, can I use yum to upgrade from RH8 to RH9?  Do you know where I
> look to find the URLs to put in the yum.conf file that would do that?
> Thanks, Tom
>   
>  
If you are a vet, then first I want to say

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH

Secondly, can someone from the Fedora Core project please tell me
whether, if I burnt  some CDs for this guy and mailed them to him,
free of charge, it would violate copyright or license agreements?

Of course, I'd have to remark that I take no responsibility for what
the CDs might do to your computer :-)

Oh, I just noticed, you want RH9? I thought you were trying to get
to FC4.

Anyway, I have the ISOs (all 9 of them) for FC4. If it is permissible,
and you agree, I'll burn you a set of whatever you want and mail
them to you. I recommend that, if we do this, you get the ISOs
off the discs, and verify the SHA1 checksums for them before
trusting them. I wouldn't trust anyone, especially me!

Mike

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[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Jul 01, 2005 at 11:19:05AM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote:
>  Secondly, can someone from the Fedora Core project please tell me
>  whether, if I burnt  some CDs for this guy and mailed them to him,
>  free of charge, it would violate copyright or license agreements? 
The license is the GPL. This is completely allowed under the GPL. Go for it.


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[Tom Poe]

Hi, Mike:  Terrific!  I think it should be alright, as I am managing
day-to-day operations for Open Studios
(http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/), a 501(c)(3) organization,
and I'll send you a receipt for tax deductible donation.  We're still
too little to have a budget to work with (doesn't stop us, just slows us
down a lot from doing the work we want).

I want to move from present RH8 to Fedora Core 4.  Since I had to incur
the cost of DSL (no choice in the matter) when I moved to Charles City,
IA, in June, I figured I could work on the upgrade using the faster
connection speed.  Ultimately, I should be able to stay current with
distro upgrades.
Tom Poe
Open Studios
510 15th Avenue
Charles City, IA 50616
Ph: 641-228-3271
www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ 
EIN# 46-0483739

On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 11:19, Mike McCarty wrote:
>  tom poe wrote:
>  
>  >Hi, Mike:  I'm on a VA pension.  I have to wait until CD burners are
>  >available through university surplus stores in the $5 dollar range.  :)
>  >
>  >OK, so, can I use yum to upgrade from RH8 to RH9?  Do you know where I
>  >look to find the URLs to put in the yum.conf file that would do that?
>  >Thanks, Tom
>  >  
>  >
>  If you are a vet, then first I want to say
>  
>      THANK YOU VERY MUCH
>  
>  Secondly, can someone from the Fedora Core project please tell me
>  whether, if I burnt  some CDs for this guy and mailed them to him,
>  free of charge, it would violate copyright or license agreements?
>  
>  Of course, I'd have to remark that I take no responsibility for what
>  the CDs might do to your computer :-)
>  
>  Oh, I just noticed, you want RH9? I thought you were trying to get
>  to FC4.
>  
>  Anyway, I have the ISOs (all 9 of them) for FC4. If it is permissible,
>  and you agree, I'll burn you a set of whatever you want and mail
>  them to you. I recommend that, if we do this, you get the ISOs
>  off the discs, and verify the SHA1 checksums for them before
>  trusting them. I wouldn't trust anyone, especially me!
>  
>  Mike
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[Mike McCarty]

tom poe wrote:

> Hi, Mike:  Terrific!  I think it should be alright, as I am managing
> day-to-day operations for Open Studios
>   
>  
Ok, umm, what do you want?

-rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 665434112 Jun 22 15:09 FC4-i386-disc1.iso
-rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 668708864 Jun 22 15:10 FC4-i386-disc2.iso
-rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 668954624 Jun 22 15:12 FC4-i386-disc3.iso
-rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 660512768 Jun 22 15:13 FC4-i386-disc4.iso
-rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty  88256512 Jun 22 15:13 FC4-i386-rescuecd.iso
-rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 641779712 Jun  6 21:58 
FC4-i386-SRPMS-disc1.iso
-rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 641785856 Jun  6 21:59 
FC4-i386-SRPMS-disc2.iso
-rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 641804288 Jun  6 22:00 
FC4-i386-SRPMS-disc3.iso
-rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 641777664 Jun  6 22:01 
FC4-i386-SRPMS-disc4.iso

The first four are the install discs, rescuecd is, well, the rescue CD, 
and the last
four are the sources.

I also have another rescue CD (not the Fedora one) and Knoppix (not the 
latest).

Hmm, those dates look suspicious! I got the last two only yesterday.
just a sec... [starts a new shell]
I just ran the SHA1 sums, and they agree with the one from the website, so
I guess they are ok. But I got the SRPMS using wget, so maybe that explains
the date discrepancy.

Well, let me know what you want. I've got to go to the bank today, anyway,
so I'll burn you some CDs before I go. I wonder what I can use as a mailer?
Maybe some old AOL boxes.

Mike

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Hi, Mike:  The install CDs would be fine.  I can make a boot floppy to
get me out of trouble, when I install.  Once installed, I can get source
directly onto hard drive, right?
Thanks, Tom

On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 12:15, Mike McCarty wrote:
>  tom poe wrote:
>  
>  >Hi, Mike:  Terrific!  I think it should be alright, as I am managing
>  >day-to-day operations for Open Studios
>  >  
>  >
>  Ok, umm, what do you want?
>  
>  -rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 665434112 Jun 22 15:09 FC4-i386-disc1.iso
>  -rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 668708864 Jun 22 15:10 FC4-i386-disc2.iso
>  -rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 668954624 Jun 22 15:12 FC4-i386-disc3.iso
>  -rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 660512768 Jun 22 15:13 FC4-i386-disc4.iso
>  -rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty  88256512 Jun 22 15:13 FC4-i386-rescuecd.iso
>  -rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 641779712 Jun  6 21:58 
>  FC4-i386-SRPMS-disc1.iso
>  -rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 641785856 Jun  6 21:59 
>  FC4-i386-SRPMS-disc2.iso
>  -rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 641804288 Jun  6 22:00 
>  FC4-i386-SRPMS-disc3.iso
>  -rw-rw-r--  1 jmccarty jmccarty 641777664 Jun  6 22:01 
>  FC4-i386-SRPMS-disc4.iso
>  
>  The first four are the install discs, rescuecd is, well, the rescue CD, 
>  and the last
>  four are the sources.
>  
>  I also have another rescue CD (not the Fedora one) and Knoppix (not the 
>  latest).
>  
>  Hmm, those dates look suspicious! I got the last two only yesterday.
>  just a sec... [starts a new shell]
>  I just ran the SHA1 sums, and they agree with the one from the website, so
>  I guess they are ok. But I got the SRPMS using wget, so maybe that explains
>  the date discrepancy.
>  
>  Well, let me know what you want. I've got to go to the bank today, anyway,
>  so I'll burn you some CDs before I go. I wonder what I can use as a mailer?
>  Maybe some old AOL boxes.
>  
>  Mike
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[Markku Kolkka]

tom poe kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika perjantai, 1. 
heinäkuuta 2005 21:01):
>  Hi, Mike:  The install CDs would be fine.  I can make a boot
>  floppy to get me out of trouble, when I install. 
No, you can't. The Fedora kernel is too big to fit on a floppy, 
so you can't boot the installer from a floppy or create a boot 
floppy during the installation.

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[Tom Poe]

Thanks, Markku!
Tom

On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 13:22, Markku Kolkka wrote:
>  tom poe kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika perjantai, 1. 
>  heinäkuuta 2005 21:01):
>  > Hi, Mike:  The install CDs would be fine.  I can make a boot
>  > floppy to get me out of trouble, when I install.
>  
>  No, you can't. The Fedora kernel is too big to fit on a floppy, 
>  so you can't boot the installer from a floppy or create a boot 
>  floppy during the installation.
>  
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[Mike McCarty]

tom poe wrote:

> Hi, Mike:  The install CDs would be fine.  I can make a boot floppy
> to
> get me out of trouble, when I install.  Once installed, I can get source
> directly onto hard drive, right?
> Thanks, Tom
>   
>  
You can download the source right now, if you want. Anyway, I
presume that just the four install discs are adequate. I'll burn you
four (4) CDs and ship them to you, media rate, at no charge. They
may take a few days to arrive. If that's not acceptable, and you need
faster delivery, then maybe you should consider the other option of
installing from downloaded  ISOs directly.

Mike

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[Tom Poe]

Hi, Mike:  Please send them.  Markku also mentioned it might be better
to send the rescue CD as well, since Fedora is now too big for a boot
floppy.  And, thanks, Mike.
Tom 

On Fri, 2005-07-01 at 13:42, Mike McCarty wrote:
>  tom poe wrote:
>  
>  >Hi, Mike:  The install CDs would be fine.  I can make a boot floppy to
>  >get me out of trouble, when I install.  Once installed, I can get source
>  >directly onto hard drive, right?
>  >Thanks, Tom
>  >  
>  >
>  
>  You can download the source right now, if you want. Anyway, I
>  presume that just the four install discs are adequate. I'll burn you
>  four (4) CDs and ship them to you, media rate, at no charge. They
>  may take a few days to arrive. If that's not acceptable, and you need
>  faster delivery, then maybe you should consider the other option of
>  installing from downloaded  ISOs directly.
>  
>  Mike
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[Mike McCarty]

tom poe wrote:

> Hi, Mike:  Please send them.  Markku also mentioned it might be
> better
> to send the rescue CD as well, since Fedora is now too big for a boot
> floppy.  And, thanks, Mike.
>   
>  
Ok, that's five (5) CDs, to wit the four (4) install CDs and the
Fedora Core 4 rescue CD, media rate.

Mike

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tom poe wrote:

> Hi, Mike:  Please send them.  Markku also mentioned it might be
> better
> to send the rescue CD as well, since Fedora is now too big for a boot
> floppy.  And, thanks, Mike.
> Tom 
>
>   
>  
Ok Tom, here's the situation:

I have burned you five (5) CDs, to wit:

    FC4-i368-disc1
    FC4-i386-disc2
    FC4-i386-disc3
    FC4-i386-disc4
    FC4-i386-rescuecd

I labelled each of them with a Sharpie(R) laundry pen, so you should
have little difficulty in recognizing which is which.

Each of the ISO images was checked by me to have the same SHA1
hash as listed on the web site before being burnt to CD. I did not read
back and verify the disc images from the burnt CDs.
I did, however, insert each of them, and verify that Fedora Core 2
recognized them, auto-mounted them, and they could be browsed. I also booted
from the rescue CD, and verified that it booted and presented me with an
option to recover. That is the limit of my testing. I take no other
responsibility for these discs or whatever you do with them, than that
I made them the way I claim.

I recommend that you load the ISO images and verify them for SHA1
hash to same value as listed on a recognized mirror site before using
the discs. I also recommend that you do whatever passes for a full
system backup on Linux before proceeding, and be prepared for
a full disaster recovery, whatever that may entail.

I'll send them to you at no charge via media rate mail
(may take a week to deliver?) at this address:

Tom Poe
Open Studios
510 15th Avenue
Charles City, IA 50616

I wish you well.

And thanks again for your military service.

BTW, do you know what is actually entailed in making a disaster
recovery set? I'm rather new to Linux admin. myself. Separate
e-mail to me might be more appropriate than contact via this
echo. Any help appreciated.

Mike

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[Mike McCarty]

tom poe wrote:

> Hi, Mike:  Please send them.  Markku also mentioned it might be
> better
> to send the rescue CD as well, since Fedora is now too big for a boot
> floppy.  And, thanks, Mike.
> Tom 
>   
>  
They are in the mail, media rate.

Mike

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