Using Fedora 15 with Gnome 3 I can only get updates manually, either with Yum or Software Update. That works fine but it is supposed to check for updates automatically and it doesn't. The options are set using "Software Updates" (note the final s!) and I have it set to check daily, for all updates. Nothing happens. Why not?
On 07/15/2011 04:49 PM, James Bridge wrote:
Using Fedora 15 with Gnome 3 I can only get updates manually, either with Yum or Software Update. That works fine but it is supposed to check for updates automatically and it doesn't. The options are set using "Software Updates" (note the final s!) and I have it set to check daily, for all updates. Nothing happens. Why not?
Me, too. And I've also got yum-updatesd running (in notify only mode). It, too, never reports anything.
I'm glad it's not just me... Has _anyone_ got it working?
Fedora 15 seems not to install yum-updatesd but it doesn't sound to be worth putting it in anyway.
James
On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 17:46 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
On 07/15/2011 04:49 PM, James Bridge wrote:
Using Fedora 15 with Gnome 3 I can only get updates manually, either with Yum or Software Update. That works fine but it is supposed to check for updates automatically and it doesn't. The options are set using "Software Updates" (note the final s!) and I have it set to check daily, for all updates. Nothing happens. Why not?
Me, too. And I've also got yum-updatesd running (in notify only mode). It, too, never reports anything.
-- -- Steve
On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 18:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 07/16/2011 06:14 PM, James Bridge wrote:
I'm glad it's not just me... Has _anyone_ got it working?
Works just fine here.
Rahul
Well I join those for whom it does nor work. I was told earlier that the automatic update only works for security updates and it is actually automatic. That is it does not ask if you want to update.
Is any of this true?
On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 08:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 18:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 07/16/2011 06:14 PM, James Bridge wrote:
I'm glad it's not just me... Has _anyone_ got it working?
Works just fine here.
Rahul
Well I join those for whom it does nor work. I was told earlier that the automatic update only works for security updates and it is actually automatic. That is it does not ask if you want to update.
Is any of this true?
I have just run "Software Updates". There are three options; I have them set to check daily, to install all updates (as opposed to security updates) automatically and not to do it using mobile broadband (this is a desktop anyway). I never see a window pop up and ask if I want to update _unless_ I go to either Software Updates or Software Update and start the check manually. Then I almost always get a list of things to do, sometimes as many as 50 packages, depending how long since I last checked. So the machine is certainly not updating automatically.
FWIW, I don't think an invisible update process would be desirable. Is that what "automatic" means?
So far as I know, I am running Fedora 15 x86_64 with no modifications. There must be a config file somewhere: does anyone know what it is called? And for a daily check, when should the check happen - at first boot up or at a particular time of day? If the latter, what happens if the computer is turned off then? If the check is set for midnight, mine would never actually be running. That might explain a lot!
On 07/16/2011 05:39 PM, James Bridge wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 08:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 18:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 07/16/2011 06:14 PM, James Bridge wrote:
I'm glad it's not just me... Has _anyone_ got it working?
Works just fine here.
Rahul
Well I join those for whom it does nor work. I was told earlier that the automatic update only works for security updates and it is actually automatic. That is it does not ask if you want to update.
Is any of this true?
I have just run "Software Updates". There are three options; I have them set to check daily, to install all updates (as opposed to security updates) automatically and not to do it using mobile broadband (this is a desktop anyway). I never see a window pop up and ask if I want to update _unless_ I go to either Software Updates or Software Update and start the check manually. Then I almost always get a list of things to do, sometimes as many as 50 packages, depending how long since I last checked. So the machine is certainly not updating automatically.
FWIW, I don't think an invisible update process would be desirable. Is that what "automatic" means?
So far as I know, I am running Fedora 15 x86_64 with no modifications. There must be a config file somewhere: does anyone know what it is called? And for a daily check, when should the check happen - at first boot up or at a particular time of day? If the latter, what happens if the computer is turned off then? If the check is set for midnight, mine would never actually be running. That might explain a lot!
I'm pretty sure that my system is not updating correctly either. I have not seen an alert pop up on my screen since I upgraded from F13 to F14 using preupgrade for the second time on Sun Jul 10. Here's a line from my daily log.
I've been looking at a continuing notice of a file needing to be updated on my computer but I could never get the file to install because of a missing dependency. Last night I decided to run the preupdate program again. I ran it before and thought that it had correctly upgraded my computer from F13 to F14 but it appears the the upgrade did not succeed entirely. I think it's done correctly now. No more notice of a file needing to be updated.
I just tried:
[root@mushroom ~]# yum update Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, presto, refresh-packagekit Found 15 installed debuginfo package(s) Enabling fedora-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - i386 - Debug Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Nonfree - Debug Enabling rpmfusion-free-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Free - Updates Debug Enabling rpmfusion-free-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Free - Debug Enabling updates-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - i386 - Updates - Debug Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Nonfree
What I see troubles me. It appears to still be pointing to the old F13 repositories. Maybe this is what is wrong with my installation as well as for the OP.
[root@mushroom ~]# uname -a Linux mushroom.patch 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.i686.PAE #1 SMP Sat May 21 17:33:09 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
When I reboot the machine it claims to be F14 on the progress screen.
There must be a configuration file somewhere that is setting the $releasever variable to F13 instead of F14. Could this effect the auto updater too?
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:29:03 -0400, ML (Mark) wrote:
I just tried:
[root@mushroom ~]# yum update Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, presto, refresh-packagekit Found 15 installed debuginfo package(s) Enabling fedora-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - i386 - Debug Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Nonfree
- Debug
Enabling rpmfusion-free-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Free - Updates Debug Enabling rpmfusion-free-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Free - Debug Enabling updates-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - i386 - Updates - Debug Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Nonfree
What I see troubles me. It appears to still be pointing to the old F13 repositories. Maybe this is what is wrong with my installation as well as for the OP.
[root@mushroom ~]# uname -a Linux mushroom.patch 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.i686.PAE #1 SMP Sat May 21 17:33:09 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
When I reboot the machine it claims to be F14 on the progress screen.
There must be a configuration file somewhere that is setting the $releasever variable to F13 instead of F14. Could this effect the auto updater too?
No, yours is an entirely different issue. You need to verify the version of your "fedora-release" package as well as check for any hardcoded release numbers (instead of the $releasever variable) in /etc/yum.repos.d/ The output of "yum -v repolist" is also relevant when talking about repo configuration troubles.
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:39:20 +0100, JB (James) wrote:
I have just run "Software Updates". There are three options; I have them set to check daily, to install all updates (as opposed to security updates) automatically and not to do it using mobile broadband (this is a desktop anyway). I never see a window pop up and ask if I want to update _unless_ I go to either Software Updates or Software Update and start the check manually. Then I almost always get a list of things to do, sometimes as many as 50 packages, depending how long since I last checked. So the machine is certainly not updating automatically.
FWIW, I don't think an invisible update process would be desirable. Is that what "automatic" means?
So far as I know, I am running Fedora 15 x86_64 with no modifications. There must be a config file somewhere: does anyone know what it is called? And for a daily check, when should the check happen - at first boot up or at a particular time of day? If the latter, what happens if the computer is turned off then? If the check is set for midnight, mine would never actually be running. That might explain a lot!
I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e. without using the GUI): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation, too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without documentation.
Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to 86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value to force an update poll at login-time.
On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 10:45 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:39:20 +0100, JB (James) wrote:
I have just run "Software Updates". There are three options; I have them set to check daily, to install all updates (as opposed to security updates) automatically and not to do it using mobile broadband (this is a desktop anyway). I never see a window pop up and ask if I want to update _unless_ I go to either Software Updates or Software Update and start the check manually. Then I almost always get a list of things to do, sometimes as many as 50 packages, depending how long since I last checked. So the machine is certainly not updating automatically.
FWIW, I don't think an invisible update process would be desirable. Is that what "automatic" means?
So far as I know, I am running Fedora 15 x86_64 with no modifications. There must be a config file somewhere: does anyone know what it is called? And for a daily check, when should the check happen - at first boot up or at a particular time of day? If the latter, what happens if the computer is turned off then? If the check is set for midnight, mine would never actually be running. That might explain a lot!
I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e. without using the GUI): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation, too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without documentation.
Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to 86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value to force an update poll at login-time.
As usual I am confused. Exactly what did you do change the config values and where (in what file) did you do it? What is the value to do updates at login time?
I have yet to catch the automatic update process working? And I can't see why i would automatic updates without previous notification of what is being updated as has worked in previous Fedora versions.
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Curious if this is PackageKit or KPackageKit or both?
For what its worth - on KDE I most definitely get the notification, but I always use yum anyway.
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:05:19 -0500, AK (Aaron) wrote:
I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e. without using the GUI): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation, too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without documentation.
Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to 86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value to force an update poll at login-time.
As usual I am confused. Exactly what did you do change the config values and where (in what file) did you do it? What is the value to do updates at login time?
Haven't you read the post I linked to? The minimum you should do is to read it, run several of the commands to read out the config values, and then try to draw conclusions. Changing the values is very similar to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals, however.
On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 18:21 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:05:19 -0500, AK (Aaron) wrote:
I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e. without using the GUI): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation, too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without documentation.
Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to 86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value to force an update poll at login-time.
As usual I am confused. Exactly what did you do change the config values and where (in what file) did you do it? What is the value to do updates at login time?
Haven't you read the post I linked to? The minimum you should do is to read it, run several of the commands to read out the config values, and then try to draw conclusions. Changing the values is very similar to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals, however.
I did read your link. If you think that it would help one configure updates , let me assure you you are misguided.
I don't want to argue with you about it. I asked a question. You are free not to answer it. I will fool around with the executions in your link and see what I figure out.
However, it seems to me it would be easier to just answer m question and not say: Changing the values is very similar
to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals, however.
What manuals are you referring to, for example?
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:43:28 -0500, AK (Aaron) wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:05:19 -0500, AK (Aaron) wrote:
I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e. without using the GUI): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation, too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without documentation.
Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to 86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value to force an update poll at login-time.
As usual I am confused. Exactly what did you do change the config values and where (in what file) did you do it? What is the value to do updates at login time?
Haven't you read the post I linked to? The minimum you should do is to read it, run several of the commands to read out the config values, and then try to draw conclusions. Changing the values is very similar to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals, however.
I did read your link. If you think that it would help one configure updates , let me assure you you are misguided.
Well, you have wrong expectations then.
I've set values like "frequency-updates-notification" to a much lower number, and I do get update notifications in GNOME Shell here. They appear as notifications in the bottom panel, not as permanent windows on the desktop.
The linked post doesn't give step-by-step instructions, which you just need to cut'n'paste into a terminal. It's a look under the hood, with some background added by developers and other users, and it's a first step for further investigation. Obviously, if you find several of the config values to say "weekly" (in number of seconds), such as the notification frequency, you cannot expect something to happen "daily" or more often than that. And if some values say "daily", not much will happen if you poll for updates manually several times a day [e.g. with Yum].
I don't want to argue with you about it. I asked a question. You are free not to answer it.
I've linked a message and already mentioned that "there's some background in that thread". E.g. Richard Hughes explained: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100468.html
However, it seems to me it would be easier to just answer m question
Stop complaining.
and not say: Changing the values is very similar
to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals, however.
What manuals are you referring to, for example?
Are you kidding?
"man gsettings" because it is the relevant command and also the only command used in the linked thread.
OK, I now understand what is going on. Software updates are divided into two groups, security updates and others. Security updates are implemented as they arise, taking account of your preferences in "Software Updates". The others are queued up and executed once a week, regardless of your settings. If you opt for "automatically install", you get no indication that the update is under way, security or not.
Thank you, Michael, for pointing to that thread: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html I agree that the Software Updates GUI is unsatisfactory; it isn't clear what effect the settings have.
On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 00:06 +0100, James Bridge wrote:
OK, I now understand what is going on. Software updates are divided into two groups, security updates and others. Security updates are implemented as they arise, taking account of your preferences in "Software Updates". The others are queued up and executed once a week, regardless of your settings. If you opt for "automatically install", you get no indication that the update is under way, security or not.
Thank you, Michael, for pointing to that thread: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html I agree that the Software Updates GUI is unsatisfactory; it isn't clear what effect the settings have. -- James Bridge james@xmas.demon.co.uk
There is a problem with the statements above. In F14 if you run gpk-prefs (aka Software Updates in F15) you can set the updates to be Daily and Automatically Install to Nothing and what will happen is that when updates are waiting to be installed you get an orange sun-like icon in the upper panel and you can click on it to see the updates and install them.
No such similar behavior occurs in F15. Some updates are installed automatically (I don't know which) and the rest must be installed manually.
I suspect an indication that this is what will happen is demonstrated by the program gpk-update-icon which I think is what generate the sun-like icon in F14. No such program appears in F15. Correct me if I am wrong.
Once again in Gnome3 a feature that gave me some control over what updates were installed is missing. Someone tell me why this is an improvement?
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