Hi All,
Anyone know where I can find the SPRM for these guys:
https://people.redhat.com/bnocera/libmtp-rhel-7.5/
Reference: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527735 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1356288
Many thanks, -T
On 03/18/2018 07:32 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know where I can find the SPRM for these guys:
https://people.redhat.com/bnocera/libmtp-rhel-7.5/
Reference: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527735 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1356288
Many thanks, -T
have you looked in rpmfind.com?
On 03/18/2018 05:05 PM, Doug wrote:
On 03/18/2018 07:32 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Hi All,
Anyone know where I can find the SPRM for these guys:
https://people.redhat.com/bnocera/libmtp-rhel-7.5/
Reference: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527735 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1356288
Many thanks, -T
have you looked in rpmfind.com?
SUSPEND This site has been suspended
:'(
pbone give me the current version.
These were specially spun for me by people.redhat.com/bnocera and I have no idea how to contact bnocera
On 03/19/18 08:22, ToddAndMargo wrote:
These were specially spun for me by people.redhat.com/bnocera and I have no idea how to contact bnocera
Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com
On 03/18/2018 05:24 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 08:22, ToddAndMargo wrote:
These were specially spun for me by people.redhat.com/bnocera and I have no idea how to contact bnocera
Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com
Thank you!
On 03/19/18 07:32, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Anyone know where I can find the SPRM for these guys:
https://people.redhat.com/bnocera/libmtp-rhel-7.5/
Reference: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527735 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1356288
The current version of libmtp on F27 is libmtp-1.1.14-1 the one referenced in the links are libmtp-1.1.13-1.
Are you saying you need to downgrade to an earlier version?
You can get the src.rpm for the earlier version at https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=912080
On 03/18/2018 05:18 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 07:32, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Anyone know where I can find the SPRM for these guys:
https://people.redhat.com/bnocera/libmtp-rhel-7.5/
Reference: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527735 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1356288
The current version of libmtp on F27 is libmtp-1.1.14-1 the one referenced in the links are libmtp-1.1.13-1.
Are you saying you need to downgrade to an earlier version?
You can get the src.rpm for the earlier version at https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=912080
The one from bnocera was specially put together for me so that I could see my wife's Android Tablet on Scientific Linux 7.4 (bug 1356288), back when I was still using RHEL clones. (I could not longer take the STRESS, so I upgraded to Fedora. Good Riddance!!!)
Fedora 27 does not recognize my wife's tablet (bug 1527735). For some reason Fedora is dragging heir feet, which is unusual. Six years to fix a simple bug is an RHEL thing, not a Fedora thing.
Anyone know a work around?
-T
Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: new high-speed USB device number 8 using xhci_hcd Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=17ef, idProduct=789a Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4 Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: Product: Lenovo Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: Manufacturer: MediaTek Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: SerialNumber: DIUKAELR5HTOCM9P
On 03/19/18 08:32, ToddAndMargo wrote:
The one from bnocera was specially put together for me so that I could see my wife's Android Tablet on Scientific Linux 7.4 (bug 1356288), back when I was still using RHEL clones. (I could not longer take the STRESS, so I upgraded to Fedora. Good Riddance!!!)
Fedora 27 does not recognize my wife's tablet (bug 1527735). For some reason Fedora is dragging heir feet, which is unusual. Six years to fix a simple bug is an RHEL thing, not a Fedora thing.
Well, oddly, if you look at the changelog for the most recent libmtp of F27 you'd see....
* Mon Oct 09 2017 Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com - 1.1.14-1 + libmtp-1.1.14-1 - Update to 1.1.14
* Mon Oct 09 2017 Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com - 1.1.13-7 + libmtp-1.1.13-7 - Fix multilib conflicts in host specific internal header
* Wed Sep 06 2017 Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com - 1.1.13-6 + libmtp-1.1.13-5 - Fix build on EPEL7 where the doc directory is versioned
So, "bnocera" is working on the Fedora releases. So, I'm not so sure your claim of "Fedora Dragging Their Feet" is valid.
Anyone know a work around?
On 03/18/2018 05:39 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
So, I'm not so sure your claim of "Fedora Dragging Their Feet" is valid.
I hope not! The main reason I left RHEL was that it took forever to NEVER to fix bugs. I am so tickled with Fedora I am still giddy. With the Tiniest exceptions, IT JUST WORKS. Oh, and it is more stable than RHEL because Fedora keeps up on fixing bugs.
On 03/19/18 08:49, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 03/18/2018 05:39 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
So, I'm not so sure your claim of "Fedora Dragging Their Feet" is valid.
I hope not! The main reason I left RHEL was that it took forever to NEVER to fix bugs. I am so tickled with Fedora I am still giddy. With the Tiniest exceptions, IT JUST WORKS. Oh, and it is more stable than RHEL because Fedora keeps up on fixing bugs.
FWIW, I downloaded the source for libmtp-1.1.14.
You said your device is defined as...
Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: new high-speed USB device number 8 using xhci_hcd Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=17ef, idProduct=789a Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4 Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: Product: Lenovo Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: Manufacturer: MediaTek Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: SerialNumber: DIUKAELR5HTOCM9P
Well, it seems it is defined in music-players.h
music-players.h: { "Lenovo", 0x17ef, "A10-70F", 0x789a, DEVICE_FLAGS_ANDROID_BUGS },
So, looking at the other links you've noted it seemed that previously your device wasn't defined. Now, it is. So, maybe this is a new issue that has crept in?
On 03/18/2018 05:57 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 08:49, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 03/18/2018 05:39 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
So, I'm not so sure your claim of "Fedora Dragging Their Feet" is valid.
I hope not! The main reason I left RHEL was that it took forever to NEVER to fix bugs. I am so tickled with Fedora I am still giddy. With the Tiniest exceptions, IT JUST WORKS. Oh, and it is more stable than RHEL because Fedora keeps up on fixing bugs.
FWIW, I downloaded the source for libmtp-1.1.14.
You said your device is defined as...
Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: new high-speed USB device number 8 using xhci_hcd Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: New USB device found, idVendor=17ef, idProduct=789a Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4 Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: Product: Lenovo Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: Manufacturer: MediaTek Mar 18 17:25:43 rn6 kernel: usb 1-1.1: SerialNumber: DIUKAELR5HTOCM9P
Well, it seems it is defined in music-players.h
music-players.h: { "Lenovo", 0x17ef, "A10-70F", 0x789a, DEVICE_FLAGS_ANDROID_BUGS },
So, looking at the other links you've noted it seemed that previously your device wasn't defined. Now, it is. So, maybe this is a new issue that has crept in?
Rats!
On 03/19/18 09:10, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 03/18/2018 05:57 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
Well, it seems it is defined in music-players.h
It should be a USB storage device
Well if you look at music-players.h it seems *everything* is defined there. I think access to a "music player's" storage is much the same as a Tablet.
On 03/19/18 09:15, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 09:10, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 03/18/2018 05:57 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
Well, it seems it is defined in music-players.h
It should be a USB storage device
Well if you look at music-players.h it seems *everything* is defined there. I think access to a "music player's" storage is much the same as a Tablet.
I just plugged in my Samsung phone
Mar 19 09:18:21 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 8 using ehci-pci Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=04e8, idProduct=6860 Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: Product: SAMSUNG_Android Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: SerialNumber: 03157df39c51d73a
And it is defined in music-players.h
{ "Samsung", 0x04e8, "Galaxy models (MTP)", 0x6860, /*DEVICE_FLAG_BROKEN_MTPGETOBJPROPLIST_ALL | DEVICE_FLAG_BROKEN_MTPGETOBJPROPLIST |*/ DEVICE_FLAG_UNLOAD_DRIVER | DEVICE_FLAG_LONG_TIMEOUT | DEVICE_FLAG_PROPLIST_OVERRIDES_OI | DEVICE_FLAG_OGG_IS_UNKNOWN | DEVICE_FLAG_FLAC_IS_UNKNOWN },
And it works fine. After, I should add, I responded to a prompt on my phone giving permission to access it via MTP.
On 03/18/2018 06:24 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 09:15, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 09:10, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 03/18/2018 05:57 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
Well, it seems it is defined in music-players.h
It should be a USB storage device
Well if you look at music-players.h it seems *everything* is defined there. I think access to a "music player's" storage is much the same as a Tablet.
I just plugged in my Samsung phone
Mar 19 09:18:21 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 8 using ehci-pci Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=04e8, idProduct=6860 Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: Product: SAMSUNG_Android Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: Manufacturer: SAMSUNG Mar 19 09:18:22 meimei kernel: usb 2-1.3: SerialNumber: 03157df39c51d73a
And it is defined in music-players.h
{ "Samsung", 0x04e8, "Galaxy models (MTP)", 0x6860, /*DEVICE_FLAG_BROKEN_MTPGETOBJPROPLIST_ALL | DEVICE_FLAG_BROKEN_MTPGETOBJPROPLIST |*/ DEVICE_FLAG_UNLOAD_DRIVER | DEVICE_FLAG_LONG_TIMEOUT | DEVICE_FLAG_PROPLIST_OVERRIDES_OI | DEVICE_FLAG_OGG_IS_UNKNOWN | DEVICE_FLAG_FLAC_IS_UNKNOWN },
And it works fine. After, I should add, I responded to a prompt on my phone giving permission to access it via MTP.
Mine gave the same pop up. I selected the default storage device. I did not think of trying a music device.
I get a shot at it tomorrow and I will try and get back.
Thank you!
On 03/19/18 09:42, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Mine gave the same pop up. I selected the default storage device. I did not think of trying a music device.
I do not know if we are getting the same Pop-Up. Mine read...
An MTP connection will be established to access the data on the connected device
Deny or Allow
Nothing about music v.s. storage
I get a shot at it tomorrow and I will try and get back.
On 03/18/2018 06:54 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 09:42, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Mine gave the same pop up. I selected the default storage device. I did not think of trying a music device.
I do not know if we are getting the same Pop-Up. Mine read...
An MTP connection will be established to access the data on the connected device
Deny or Allow
Nothing about music v.s. storage
I get a shot at it tomorrow and I will try and get back.
If I can figure out a way to do a screen shot tomorrow, I'll send it to you
On 03/19/18 10:12, ToddAndMargo wrote:
If I can figure out a way to do a screen shot tomorrow, I'll send it to you
OK....
http://solverbase.com/w/Lenovo_TAB_2_A10-70:_Taking_Screenshot
You can email directly or upload to an image sharing site such as https://imgbb.com/
What version of Android is your tablet running?
On 03/18/2018 07:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 10:12, ToddAndMargo wrote:
If I can figure out a way to do a screen shot tomorrow, I'll send it to you
OK....
http://solverbase.com/w/Lenovo_TAB_2_A10-70:_Taking_Screenshot
You can email directly or upload to an image sharing site such as https://imgbb.com/
What version of Android is your tablet running?
Thank you!
I won't see the thing till tomorrow.
On 03/18/2018 07:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 10:12, ToddAndMargo wrote:
If I can figure out a way to do a screen shot tomorrow, I'll send it to you
OK....
http://solverbase.com/w/Lenovo_TAB_2_A10-70:_Taking_Screenshot
You can email directly or upload to an image sharing site such as
What version of Android is your tablet running?
Okay, I think I am going to get the figure shaken at me for the previous HTML, so here goes again with imgbb. (Thank you for the site. I love it!)
Hi Ed,
Love the screen shot! Thank you!
I am sending to both the list and directly to you in case I get the finger wagged at me for using HTML.
Lenovo A10-70F Android 5.0.1 Kernel 3.10.61
When I connect the USB, the Popup on the tablet is Media device (MTP) Camera (PTP) Charge Only Built-in CD-ROM
The only one that activates is "Built-in CD-ROM", which gives a single .exe file whose name I don't remember.
Pop up on the Android when connecting the SUB: https://ibb.co/k3zBsx
-T
On 03/20/18 07:29, ToddAndMargo wrote:
I am sending to both the list and directly to you in case I get the finger wagged at me for using HTML.
Lenovo A10-70F Android 5.0.1 Kernel 3.10.61
OK. That is a rather old version of Android. All of the devices that I use on a regular basis are at Android 7. I am in the process of charging an older tablet that I've not used in a long time. I think it is either running Android 4 or 5.
When I connect the USB, the Popup on the tablet is Media device (MTP) Camera (PTP) Charge Only Built-in CD-ROM
Seems like newer versions of Android may only use MTP so that pop-up isn't presented these days.
One other question, which has been prompted by some googling. Are you using the original USB cable that came with the tablet? I see reports of people having problems with MTP when using "foreign" cables.
When my device charges I'll give it a try to see if it works as well as my newer devices.
On 03/19/2018 06:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
One other question, which has been prompted by some googling. Are you using the original USB cable that came with the tablet? I see reports of people having problems with MTP when using "foreign" cables.
Ya, on the out dated Android. As soon as I get the doc and stuff backed up to my computer, I will set it to upgrading. I have several qemu-kvm virtual machines of "that" operating system whose name I shall not mention (I hear it is expensive, slow, and really buggy) which should be able to read the tablet.
The cable is the same cable that work under Scientific Linux 7.4/5 (Speaking of buggy!)
The irony that KVM is a Red Hat project and Red Hat can not upgrade qemu-kvm to anything close to the current version is not lost on me: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1518387 qemu-kvm works, so, so much better under Fedora than RHEL, that I am still giddy.
On 03/20/18 10:02, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Ya, on the out dated Android. As soon as I get the doc and stuff backed up to my computer, I will set it to upgrading.
Good idea.
BTW, in one of your posts you asked about a "workaround". I think what you meant was an alternative to MTP? If so, you could always install an sftp client on the Android device and transfer files that way. I happen to have a NAS with its own utilities for transferring files over WiFi so I don't have to deal with cables. Slower? Sure. But convenient. :-)
On 03/19/2018 07:22 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/20/18 10:02, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Ya, on the out dated Android. As soon as I get the doc and stuff backed up to my computer, I will set it to upgrading.
Good idea.
BTW, in one of your posts you asked about a "workaround".
I was wide open to suggestion
I think what you meant was an alternative to MTP? If so, you could always install an sftp client on the Android device and transfer files that way. I happen to have a NAS with its own utilities for transferring files over WiFi so I don't have to deal with cables. Slower? Sure. But convenient. :-)
Well now. "That" operating system whose name I shall not mention, running under qemu-kvm, is reading the table without issue.
Thank you for all the help with this!
On 03/20/18 11:04, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 03/19/2018 07:22 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/20/18 10:02, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Ya, on the out dated Android. As soon as I get the doc and stuff backed up to my computer, I will set it to upgrading.
Good idea.
BTW, in one of your posts you asked about a "workaround".
I was wide open to suggestion
I think what you meant was an alternative to MTP? If so, you could always install an sftp client on the Android device and transfer files that way. I happen to have a NAS with its own utilities for transferring files over WiFi so I don't have to deal with cables. Slower? Sure. But convenient. :-)
Well now. "That" operating system whose name I shall not mention, running under qemu-kvm, is reading the table without issue.
My old device finally charged to 20%. It identifies as
usb 2-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 14 using ehci-pci usb 2-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0b05, idProduct=5500 usb 2-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=3, SerialNumber=4 usb 2-1.3: Product: Android usb 2-1.3: Manufacturer: Android
It is actually a Tablet sold by ASUS. It is defined in music-players.h
{ "Asus", 0x0b05, "K010 (MTP)", 0x5500, DEVICE_FLAGS_ANDROID_BUGS },
It is running Android 4.4 and there is no upgrade available. Which if fine sine it is as slow as molasses in winter.
Plugging it in gets me no pop-up. I can view files, delete files, and download files using dolphin in KDE.
Thank you for all the help with this!
Well, OK. But sadly the issue persists for you. :-(
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:22 PM, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@gmail.com wrote:
BTW, in one of your posts you asked about a "workaround". I think what you meant was an alternative to MTP?
This may or may not be related to the OP's issue, but for some reason, the simple-mtpfs package is not installed by default on Fedora. Without this, MTP doesn't work. With simple-mtpfs installed, I can use file browsers such as Nautilus to see the files on my relatively new (Galaxy S6) Android phone. On my ancient Amazon Kindle Fire HDX tablet, I have never been able to make file browsing work, but I have been able to copy books on and off the device using Calibre.
--Greg
On 03/20/18 21:36, Greg Woods wrote:
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:22 PM, Ed Greshko <ed.greshko@gmail.com mailto:ed.greshko@gmail.com> wrote:
BTW, in one of your posts you asked about a "workaround". I think what you meant was an alternative to MTP?This may or may not be related to the OP's issue, but for some reason, the simple-mtpfs package is not installed by default on Fedora. Without this, MTP doesn't work. With simple-mtpfs installed, I can use file browsers such as Nautilus to see the files on my relatively new (Galaxy S6) Android phone. On my ancient Amazon Kindle Fire HDX tablet, I have never been able to make file browsing work, but I have been able to copy books on and off the device using Calibre.
Well, I can definitively say that information is incorrect.
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ rpm -q simple-mtpfs package simple-mtpfs is not installed
And I can communicate just fine with my Galaxy Tab-S, Galaxy S4, Galaxy S6, and an old ASUS table.
On 03/20/2018 06:52 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/20/18 21:36, Greg Woods wrote:
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:22 PM, Ed Greshko <ed.greshko@gmail.com mailto:ed.greshko@gmail.com> wrote:
BTW, in one of your posts you asked about a "workaround". I think what you meant was an alternative to MTP?This may or may not be related to the OP's issue, but for some reason, the simple-mtpfs package is not installed by default on Fedora. Without this, MTP doesn't work. With simple-mtpfs installed, I can use file browsers such as Nautilus to see the files on my relatively new (Galaxy S6) Android phone. On my ancient Amazon Kindle Fire HDX tablet, I have never been able to make file browsing work, but I have been able to copy books on and off the device using Calibre.
Well, I can definitively say that information is incorrect.
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ rpm -q simple-mtpfs package simple-mtpfs is not installed
And I can communicate just fine with my Galaxy Tab-S, Galaxy S4, Galaxy S6, and an old ASUS table.
It reads my Samsung MW2 phone without issue too
On 03/20/2018 04:20 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 03/20/2018 06:52 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/20/18 21:36, Greg Woods wrote:
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:22 PM, Ed Greshko <ed.greshko@gmail.com mailto:ed.greshko@gmail.com> wrote:
BTW, in one of your posts you asked about a "workaround". I think what you meant was an alternative to MTP?
This may or may not be related to the OP's issue, but for some reason, the simple-mtpfs package is not installed by default on Fedora. Without this, MTP doesn't work. With simple-mtpfs installed, I can use file browsers such as Nautilus to see the files on my relatively new (Galaxy S6) Android phone. On my ancient Amazon Kindle Fire HDX tablet, I have never been able to make file browsing work, but I have been able to copy books on and off the device using Calibre.
Well, I can definitively say that information is incorrect.
[egreshko@meimei ~]$ rpm -q simple-mtpfs package simple-mtpfs is not installed
And I can communicate just fine with my Galaxy Tab-S, Galaxy S4, Galaxy S6, and an old ASUS table.
It reads my Samsung MW2 phone without issue too
IIRC this has more to do with the Android version on your devices and whether they're rooted or not. I believe older devices didn't require MTP to share data (they presented the storage like a regular USB device), whereas newer (e.g. Android 5.0 and later) require MTP.
I'm not certain about the version when MTP became necessary. I have an ancient Galaxy Note 3, Verizon stopped updating it at 5.0 and I have to use MTP to browse it.
Why don't I have a new phone? I don't want to spend $1K for a phone I will have to toss out when the battery dies because, with VERY few exceptions, you can't replace the battery in new phones. IMHO, this is absolutely inexcusable! I think only LG phones still have replaceable batteries. LG should be applauded for this, the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves. "Oh, the battery explodes! You'll need to replace the phone!" What? How about just replacing the defective batteries. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@alldigital.com - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 22643734 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Blech! ACKth! Ooop! -- Bill the Cat (Outland) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 19:18 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
Why don't I have a new phone? I don't want to spend $1K for a phone I will have to toss out when the battery dies because, with VERY few exceptions, you can't replace the battery in new phones. IMHO, this is absolutely inexcusable! I think only LG phones still have replaceable batteries. LG should be applauded for this, the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves. "Oh, the battery explodes! You'll need to replace the phone!" What? How about just replacing the defective batteries.
At least some of Motorola's phones also have replaceable batteries and are reasonably priced.
poc
On 21/3/18 9:13 pm, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 19:18 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
Why don't I have a new phone? I don't want to spend $1K for a phone I will have to toss out when the battery dies because, with VERY few exceptions, you can't replace the battery in new phones. IMHO, this is absolutely inexcusable! I think only LG phones still have replaceable batteries. LG should be applauded for this, the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves. "Oh, the battery explodes! You'll need to replace the phone!" What? How about just replacing the defective batteries.
At least some of Motorola's phones also have replaceable batteries and are reasonably priced.
I've mainly used samsung phones and I haven't had one where the battery is not replaceable. I've even had a samsung phone (many years ago) where you had to take the battery out to insert the sim card because the battery physically sat on top of the card cage.
regards,
Steve
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On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:02 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 21/3/18 9:13 pm, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 19:18 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
Why don't I have a new phone? I don't want to spend $1K for a phone I will have to toss out when the battery dies because, with VERY few exceptions, you can't replace the battery in new phones. IMHO, this is absolutely inexcusable! I think only LG phones still have replaceable batteries. LG should be applauded for this, the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves. "Oh, the battery explodes! You'll need to replace the phone!" What? How about just replacing the defective batteries.
At least some of Motorola's phones also have replaceable batteries and are reasonably priced.
I've mainly used samsung phones and I haven't had one where the battery is not replaceable. I've even had a samsung phone (many years ago) where you had to take the battery out to insert the sim card because the battery physically sat on top of the card cage.
I've seen that in quite a few phones. I suspect it's done as a way to force the phone to reset when the SIM is changed. Modern phones with nano-SIMs don't seem to need to do that any more.
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Allegedly, on or about 22 March 2018, Stephen Morris sent:
I've mainly used samsung phones and I haven't had one where the battery is not replaceable.
Technically, the S8+ has a replaceable battery. But you have to unglue the back panel to do so. That's not particularly easy to do properly.
On 03/21/2018 03:02 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 21/3/18 9:13 pm, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 19:18 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
Why don't I have a new phone? I don't want to spend $1K for a phone I will have to toss out when the battery dies because, with VERY few exceptions, you can't replace the battery in new phones. IMHO, this is absolutely inexcusable! I think only LG phones still have replaceable batteries. LG should be applauded for this, the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves. "Oh, the battery explodes! You'll need to replace the phone!" What? How about just replacing the defective batteries.
At least some of Motorola's phones also have replaceable batteries and are reasonably priced.
I've mainly used samsung phones and I haven't had one where the battery is not replaceable. I've even had a samsung phone (many years ago) where you had to take the battery out to insert the sim card because the battery physically sat on top of the card cage.
My Note 3 is a Samsung, but from what I've seen the only new phones that have replaceable batteries are certain models from LG. Everyone else has gone the "sleeker is better" or "waterproofing is easier with sealed units" (not that they're ever waterproof) or some other trendy mantra.
I think Samsung's last phone with a replaceable battery was the Note 5. If you had a Note 7, you couldn't even take it on a plane! You had to get the NEW Note 7 with the different colored battery meter so the TSA and airlines would let you fly. Samsung ate a bunch of crap for that one. Apple has had several recalls of phones because of defective batteries. "Nope, you can't replace the battery, you need a new phone." Utterly stupid.
I'm sure some of the various reasons the makers give are valid--to a point. I'm also suspicious enough to also think it's a way to force one to buy a new phone when one otherwise wouldn't. I hate to scrap a perfectly good phone and be forced to pay $1K USD to get a decent replacement. A prime example of "forced obsolescence".
Add to this that we are constantly harped at to be eco-sensitive. How is scrapping an entire phone rather than a (formerly) easily replaced component consistent with that?
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On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:48 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
My Note 3 is a Samsung, but from what I've seen the only new phones that have replaceable batteries are certain models from LG. Everyone else has gone the "sleeker is better" or "waterproofing is easier with sealed units" (not that they're ever waterproof) or some other trendy mantra.
https://thedroidguy.com/2018/01/5-best-android-smartphones-with-removable-ba...
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On 23/3/18 4:46 am, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 09:48 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
My Note 3 is a Samsung, but from what I've seen the only new phones that have replaceable batteries are certain models from LG. Everyone else has gone the "sleeker is better" or "waterproofing is easier with sealed units" (not that they're ever waterproof) or some other trendy mantra.
https://thedroidguy.com/2018/01/5-best-android-smartphones-with-removable-ba...
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I bought bought a Samsung Galaxy J7 Prime as a replacement for my Samsung Galaxy S3 (which I think is running Android 4, as Samsung refused to provide upgrades on the grounds the phone wasn't capable of running later versions of Android) where the back was removable as it had to be as the phone is packaged without the battery installed, so the back has to be removed to insert the battery and the sim card. Also I've never had a Samsung phone where the back was not removable, because like the one I have now, all my previous Samsungs were distributed in the retail stores with the battery and sim card not installed in the phone. The only limitation on the battery not being replaceable is the stores that specialize in selling batteries not having one to fit the phone.
regards,
Steve
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On 03/19/2018 07:22 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/20/18 10:02, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Ya, on the out dated Android. As soon as I get the doc and stuff backed up to my computer, I will set it to upgrading.
Good idea.
It did an update to 5.0.1. Two things that did not work started working on the table.
But when we went to upgrade to 6, we got a message that it would be a full wipe, so my wife out the nicks on that. Shades of Windows. Definitely not as simple as upgrading Fedora!
On 03/21/18 16:54, ToddAndMargo wrote:
On 03/19/2018 07:22 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/20/18 10:02, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Ya, on the out dated Android. As soon as I get the doc and stuff backed up to my computer, I will set it to upgrading.
Good idea.
It did an update to 5.0.1. Two things that did not work started working on the table.
I assume none of the 2 things was mtp?
But when we went to upgrade to 6, we got a message that it would be a full wipe, so my wife out the nicks on that. Shades of Windows. Definitely not as simple as upgrading Fedora!
Of course not.... :-)
On 19/3/18 12:54 pm, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 03/19/18 09:42, ToddAndMargo wrote:
Mine gave the same pop up. I selected the default storage device. I did not think of trying a music device.
I do not know if we are getting the same Pop-Up. Mine read...
An MTP connection will be established to access the data on the connected device
Deny or Allow
Nothing about music v.s. storage
When I connect in my Galaxy J7 Prime phone, I get a popup from the usb device detector saying I can open it with a file manager. When I click on that entry it pops up dolphin which displays a message that I need to set the usb settings on the phone to allow mtp and the phone displays and allow connect message, the message was more voluminous than what you showed but that doesn't matter it is still the same. Once I clicked on allow dolphin displayed the content of the onboard memory and the sdcard, which when I browsed the directories I found lots of png and jpg files, but when I right-clicked on those and selected "Open with Image Viewer" to display them, but dolphin said it could not find any of them even though it was listing them, and with the error message there was also a popup (presumably from pulseaudio) saying that it was redirecting output to my Logitech headphones, with a push button to revert back to the original device (presumably), but the button did not have enough text to specify which device audio output was being redirected from. The error message from dolphin occurred on every file I tried to browse and the "pulseaudio" popup occurred for every dolphin error message. I have lots of music files on the phone, but I can't find any of them in what dolphin is showing me.
regards,
Steve
I get a shot at it tomorrow and I will try and get back.
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