Upgrade FC3 to FC10

[Moessbauer, David]

Have an old system that requires upgrade from existing FC3 configuration
to FC10 for security concerns.  Upgrade vice fresh install is necessary
to maintain existing proprietary application loads.

When attempt to utilize FC10 upgrade DVD it can not find a Linux load on
HDD, though it is there.  Also tried with FC9, same results.

Any guidance would be appreciated.

[Susi Lehtola]

On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 09:10 -0400, Moessbauer, David wrote:
> Have an old system that requires upgrade from existing FC3
> configuration to FC10 for security concerns.  Upgrade vice fresh
> install is necessary to maintain existing proprietary application
> loads.

You have proprietary software installed in FC3 that you want to work in
the new OS too?
> When attempt to utilize FC10 upgrade DVD it can not find a Linux load
> on HDD, though it is there.  Also tried with FC9, same results.
>
> Any guidance would be appreciated.

Then F9 and F10 might be too new to be able to upgrade such an old
installation.

I wouldn't update to a new Fedora, if you have proprietary software that
you still want to use. The libraries and so on may not be compatible
with the old software.

I suggest you update to CentOS 4 ( http://centos.org/ ), which is
largely based on Fedora Core 3 so the update should be quite painless.
You should even be able to do the update with yum.

[Moessbauer, David]

Yes, we need applications to work in new OS too.

Would CentOS4 address following security concerns:
1. Disable Executive Stack - IE: kernel must support NX feature
2. Linux Kernel Remote Denial of Service Vulnerability that affects
kernels prior to 2.6.27.5

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[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jussi Lehtola
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To: Community assistance, encouragement,and advice for using Fedora.
Subject: Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10

On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 09:10 -0400, Moessbauer, David wrote:
> Have an old system that requires upgrade from existing FC3 
> configuration to FC10 for security concerns.  Upgrade vice fresh 
> install is necessary to maintain existing proprietary application 
> loads.

You have proprietary software installed in FC3 that you want to work in
the new OS too?
> When attempt to utilize FC10 upgrade DVD it can not find a Linux load 
> on HDD, though it is there.  Also tried with FC9, same results.
>
> Any guidance would be appreciated.

Then F9 and F10 might be too new to be able to upgrade such an old
installation.

I wouldn't update to a new Fedora, if you have proprietary software that
you still want to use. The libraries and so on may not be compatible
with the old software.

I suggest you update to CentOS 4 ( http://centos.org/ ), which is
largely based on Fedora Core 3 so the update should be quite painless.
You should even be able to do the update with yum.
--
Jussi Lehtola
Fedora Project Contributor
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[Susi Lehtola]

On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 11:31 -0400, Moessbauer, David wrote:
> Yes, we need applications to work in new OS too.
>
> Would CentOS4 address following security concerns:
> Disable Executive Stack - IE: kernel must support NX feature
> Linux Kernel Remote Denial of Service Vulnerability that affects
>
> kernels prior to 2.6.27.5

CentOS 4 was released in 2005 and will be supported AFAIK until 2012.
There should be no security concerns with it.

[Alan Cox]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:31:35 -0400
"Moessbauer, David"  wrote:
> Yes, we need applications to work in new OS too.
>
> Would CentOS4 address following security concerns:
> Disable Executive Stack - IE: kernel must support NX feature

Centos has it if I remember (assuming your CPU supports PAE and NX)
> Linux Kernel Remote Denial of Service Vulnerability that affects
>
> kernels prior to 2.6.27.5

Insufficient information - which specific vulnerability (what
vulnerability id ?)

Centos is built from the same basic sources as Red Hat Enterprise Linux -
so its long term maintained but without the guarantees, support and
service stuff paying for Red Hat gets you. If you need long lifetimes of
old code its probably more appropriate than Fedora

[M A Young]

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Moessbauer, David wrote:
> Yes, we need applications to work in new OS too.
>
> Would CentOS4 address following security concerns:
> Disable Executive Stack - IE: kernel must support NX feature
> Linux Kernel Remote Denial of Service Vulnerability that affects
>
> kernels prior to 2.6.27.5

CentOS 4 is a clone of Red Hat's RHEL4 minus the trademarked stuff (like 
the Red Hat name and Red Hat specific icons)

Jussi Lehtola wrote:
> I suggest you update to CentOS 4 ( http://centos.org/ ), which is
> largely based on Fedora Core 3 so the update should be quite painless.
> You should even be able to do the update with yum.

You might have to tidy up a lot after a yum update (or indeed any other 
update from FC3 to CentOS 4), because some packages in a fully patched 
version of FC3 (eg. the kernel) will have a higher version number than 
Centos 4, since in RHEL security patches are often backported to the 
original version of the software in the distribution rather than using the 
later version that includes the fix.

Michael Young

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

"Moessbauer, David"  writes:
> Have an old system that requires upgrade from existing FC3 configuration
> to FC10 for security concerns.  Upgrade vice fresh install is necessary to
> maintain existing proprietary application loads.
> Â 
> When attempt to utilize FC10 upgrade DVD it can not find a Linux load on
> HDD, though it is there.  Also tried with FC9, same results.
> Â 
> Any guidance would be appreciated.

Buy a new disk, unplug the old one and do a clean install of f11 on it
when f11 comes out in a week.  Then recompile your proprietary software
and run.  If it fails, you can always put the old fc3 disk back in and
wait till someone breaks in and destroys the system.  At that point it
won't matter that the proprietary stuff doesn't run on f11, because it
won't run on the fc3 installation either. ;-)

All joking aside, I don't see how you can avoid reinstalling your
proprietary stuff under a more recent OS.

-wolfgang

[g]

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> All joking aside, I don't see how you can avoid reinstalling your
> proprietary stuff under a more recent OS.

in all seriousness, i have wondered about this problem of upgrading from
an out of support version and have to ask,

is it not possible to pull old version iso's from archives and burn dvd's
to step thru versions to current using 'upgrade' feature?

granted, it would take some time to do, put if a user has software from
non red hat/fedora vendor, would this not be a way to retain them and
end up at current version of fedora?

[Frank Murphy]

g wrote:
> Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
>

if a user has software from non red hat/fedora vendor,

That unfortunately is what cannot be guaranteed to work.
They may\should possible have a support contract with said vendors.

The ideal is to wipe and upgrade in this instance.

Frank

[g]

Frank Murphy (Frankly3d) wrote:
> > if a user has software from non red hat/fedora vendor,
>
> That unfortunately is what cannot be guaranteed to work.

it would not be guaranteed to work if it depended on libs, etc, from
fedora.

but, it 3rd party software had it's own lib, etc, and used 'standard'
systems calls, 3ps would be independent from changes of lib, etc.
> They may\should possible have a support contract with said vendors.

that is without a doubt.
> The ideal is to wipe and upgrade in this instance.

not for op.

anyway, to my questioning, could updating system, to gain security
fixes and enhancements, not be done by pulling from archives and
stepping thru to a current version?

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

g  writes:
> is it not possible to pull old version iso's from archives and burn dvd's
> to step thru versions to current using 'upgrade' feature?

Before the recent preupgrade from f10 to f11/rawhide I've never had an
upgraded that worked well enough to use.  Things might have seemed to
work for a wile, but there were a lot of rough edges.  Doing a long
string of upgrades would just compound the problem.  Sure he can try,
but *I* wouldn't bother.

Half the advantage of doing an upgrade is that one gets to blow away
one's hacked-to-death config files that one did years ago when one
didn't understand things as well.

-wolfgang

[Moessbauer, David]

Thanks.  Have come to conclusion that fresh install and a recompile of
source material is the answer.

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Rupprecht
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Subject: Re: Upgrade FC3 to FC10

g  writes:
> is it not possible to pull old version iso's from archives and burn 
> dvd's to step thru versions to current using 'upgrade' feature?

Before the recent preupgrade from f10 to f11/rawhide I've never had an
upgraded that worked well enough to use.  Things might have seemed to
work for a wile, but there were a lot of rough edges.  Doing a long
string of upgrades would just compound the problem.  Sure he can try,
but *I* wouldn't bother.

Half the advantage of doing an upgrade is that one gets to blow away
one's hacked-to-death config files that one did years ago when one
didn't understand things as well.

-wolfgang

[Susi Lehtola]

Quoting "Moessbauer, David" :
> Thanks.  Have come to conclusion that fresh install and a recompile of
> source material is the answer.

.. unless you switch to CentOS 4, which is more reasonable simply on  
the ground that the support time is bigger than in Fedora (7 years  
compared to 1 year). [CentOS 4 still has 3 years of support left.]

[Kevin Kofler]

Moessbauer, David wrote:
> Have an old system that requires upgrade from existing FC3 configuration
> to FC10 for security concerns.  Upgrade vice fresh install is necessary
> to maintain existing proprietary application loads.

If you really care about security, you have to reinstall anyway. Your system
may be already compromised, given that FC3 hasn't received security updates
for years now.

Kevin Kofler