Everyone,
I am trying to reclaim some use out of a couple old Compaq Presaio SR1720NX machines for the office by adding some memory and a PNY 240 GB CS1311 SSD drives. The bios was made by Phoenix; I did not identify a version number of the bios. I did not plan on keep the hard drive installed and planned on just using the SSD. These machines were IDE machines and only had two SATA ports on the motherboard.
When I install the SSD the bios recognizes the Pny SSD properly, and I was able to set up the boot order without difficulty.
When I tried to install Fedora 24 on the first machine the installation software did not identify the presences of the SSD. I also tried a Centso 7.2 install disc and the SSD was not recognized with it as well. Just to make sure things were working, I added the hard drive back to the machine, and the Fedora install routines did recognize the hard drive but continued to fail to recognize the SSD.
Are there preparatory things that I need to do with the SSD drives that I am missing? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Greg Ennis
On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:45:13 -0500 Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
Are there preparatory things that I need to do with the SSD drives that I am missing? Any help would be appreciated.
I know nothing for sure, but I'd try booting a live CD and running gnome-disks from it to see what it sees. If it can see the SSD, then perhaps there are already partitions on it you could delete to make it a blank disk which the installer might be more willing to install on.
Are there preparatory things that I need to do with the SSD drives that I am missing? Any help would be appreciated.
I know nothing for sure, but I'd try booting a live CD and running gnome-disks from it to see what it sees. If it can see the SSD, then perhaps there are already partitions on it you could delete to make it a blank disk which the installer might be more willing to install on. --
Tom,
Thanks for the reply. When I booted to the live f24 CD gnome-disks does not identify the SSD drive.
I have two of these compaq machines and they are identical, just for grins I set up the second machine, but unfortunately had the very same symptoms, and observations as the first.
Both the F24 live CD install disc and the Net install disc present an option to ADD DISC during the partition assignments. I have never had to use the 'ADD DISC' option. I have played around with it, but never could get the SSD to appear.
Greg
Are there preparatory things that I need to do with the SSD drives that I am missing? Any help would be appreciated.
I know nothing for sure, but I'd try booting a live CD and running gnome-disks from it to see what it sees. If it can see the SSD, then perhaps there are already partitions on it you could delete to make it a blank disk which the installer might be more willing to install on. --
Tom,
Thanks for the reply. When I booted to the live f24 CD gnome-disks does not identify the SSD drive.
I have two of these compaq machines and they are identical, just for grins I set up the second machine, but unfortunately had the very same symptoms, and observations as the first.
Both the F24 live CD install disc and the Net install disc present an option to ADD DISC during the partition assignments. I have never had to use the 'ADD DISC' option. I have played around with it, but never could get the SSD to appear.
Greg --
So far I am having no success with these PNY SSD drives. I installed one of the SSD's in a different desktop computer that is quite a bit more recent than those old Compaq units. I was able to recognize the SSD with the Fedora 24 install process, and the install appeared to proceed without a problem. However, I could not get the system to boot the newly installed f24 os. The boot process died after the message "Verifing DMI Pool Data ......"
I had hoped this would be an easy thing to do, but looks like this is going to be a real fun project. Any body have ideas?
Greg
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 08:45:13AM -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
Everyone,
I am trying to reclaim some use out of a couple old Compaq Presaio SR1720NX machines for the office by adding some memory and a PNY 240 GB CS1311 SSD drives. The bios was made by Phoenix; I did not identify a version number of the bios. I did not plan on keep the hard drive installed and planned on just using the SSD. These machines were IDE machines and only had two SATA ports on the motherboard.
When I install the SSD the bios recognizes the Pny SSD properly, and I was able to set up the boot order without difficulty.
When I had to replace the MB of a similar, older system, I used a non-HP MB. Later when I wanted to beef it up, the new MB only had 2 SATA ports and I wanted to install more drives. So I purchased a really cheap SATA controller card.
I got a store-brand SSD and to my surprise the MB controller did not see it but the cheap controller did. Blaming the store-brand SSD, I returned it and got a Crucial SSD. Same problem though. So it was the controller, not the SSD. MB controller worked fine with other SATA drives, but not with the SSD.
Jon
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 08:45:13AM -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
Everyone,
I am trying to reclaim some use out of a couple old Compaq Presaio SR1720NX machines for the office by adding some memory and a PNY 240 GB CS1311 SSD drives. The bios was made by Phoenix; I did not identify a version number of the bios. I did not plan on keep the hard drive installed and planned on just using the SSD. These machines were IDE machines and only had two SATA ports on the motherboard.
When I install the SSD the bios recognizes the Pny SSD properly, and I was able to set up the boot order without difficulty.
When I had to replace the MB of a similar, older system, I used a non- HP MB. Later when I wanted to beef it up, the new MB only had 2 SATA ports and I wanted to install more drives. So I purchased a really cheap SATA controller card.
I got a store-brand SSD and to my surprise the MB controller did not see it but the cheap controller did. Blaming the store-brand SSD, I returned it and got a Crucial SSD. Same problem though. So it was the controller, not the SSD. MB controller worked fine with other SATA drives, but not with the SSD.
Jon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon,
That is helpful. I have tried everything I could think of as well as read on the internet. So far nothing is working. I think a cheap SATA controller card is my next step.
Greg
On Sun, 2016-07-17 at 08:45 -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
Everyone,
I am trying to reclaim some use out of a couple old Compaq Presaio SR1720NX machines for the office by adding some memory and a PNY 240 GB CS1311 SSD drives. The bios was made by Phoenix; I did not identify a version number of the bios. I did not plan on keep the hard drive installed and planned on just using the SSD. These machines were IDE machines and only had two SATA ports on the motherboard.
When I install the SSD the bios recognizes the Pny SSD properly, and I was able to set up the boot order without difficulty.
When I tried to install Fedora 24 on the first machine the installation software did not identify the presences of the SSD. I also tried a Centso 7.2 install disc and the SSD was not recognized with it as well. Just to make sure things were working, I added the hard drive back to the machine, and the Fedora install routines did recognize the hard drive but continued to fail to recognize the SSD.
Are there preparatory things that I need to do with the SSD drives that I am missing? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
According to https://www.pny.com/ssd-CS1311%C2%A0the SSD suuports SATA-3 and is backward compatible with SATA2. The specs I found for the PC suggests that it is SATA (which I assume means SATA1). So it may be that the two are not compatible. Adding a separate SATA card (as suggested in another response) may be a way out...
BR, Louis
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 08:45:13AM -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
Everyone,
I am trying to reclaim some use out of a couple old Compaq Presaio SR1720NX machines for the office by adding some memory and a PNY 240 GB CS1311 SSD drives. The bios was made by Phoenix; I did not identify a version number of the bios. I did not plan on keep the hard drive installed and planned on just using the SSD. These machines were IDE machines and only had two SATA ports on the motherboard.
When I install the SSD the bios recognizes the Pny SSD properly, and I was able to set up the boot order without difficulty.
When I had to replace the MB of a similar, older system, I used a non- HP MB. Later when I wanted to beef it up, the new MB only had 2 SATA ports and I wanted to install more drives. So I purchased a really cheap SATA controller card.
I got a store-brand SSD and to my surprise the MB controller did not see it but the cheap controller did. Blaming the store-brand SSD, I returned it and got a Crucial SSD. Same problem though. So it was the controller, not the SSD. MB controller worked fine with other SATA drives, but not with the SSD.
Jon ------------------------------
Jon,
I went to Fry's yesterday to pick up SATA controller card and the Fry's expert told me that their SATA controllers did not work with Linux. Can you look up the name of the SATA card that you used and publish it.
Thanks,
Greg
On Sat, 2016-07-23 at 08:04 -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 08:45:13AM -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
Everyone,
I am trying to reclaim some use out of a couple old Compaq Presaio SR1720NX machines for the office by adding some memory and a PNY 240 GB CS1311 SSD drives. The bios was made by Phoenix; I did not identify a version number of the bios. I did not plan on keep the hard drive installed and planned on just using the SSD. These machines were IDE machines and only had two SATA ports on the motherboard.
When I install the SSD the bios recognizes the Pny SSD properly, and I was able to set up the boot order without difficulty.
When I had to replace the MB of a similar, older system, I used a non- HP MB. Later when I wanted to beef it up, the new MB only had 2 SATA ports and I wanted to install more drives. So I purchased a really cheap SATA controller card.
I got a store-brand SSD and to my surprise the MB controller did not see it but the cheap controller did. Blaming the store-brand SSD, I returned it and got a Crucial SSD. Same problem though. So it was the controller, not the SSD. MB controller worked fine with other SATA drives, but not with the SSD.
Jon
Jon,
I went to Fry's yesterday to pick up SATA controller card and the Fry's expert told me that their SATA controllers did not work with Linux. Can you look up the name of the SATA card that you used and publish it.
Thanks,
Greg
Why do you not replace the SSD that works with SATA-1 (1.5g)? the PNY does only Sata2 or 3. Just check for the SATA 1.5 support (I checked Samsung for the 850 EVO and accoding to http://www.samsung.com/semicond uctor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/850evo.html tha drive is backward compatible with SATA 1.5).
Now if you want to replace the controller, check what chip it uses and see if that is supported by Linux. I think most are nowadays....
Louis
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 08:04:42AM -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 08:45:13AM -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
Everyone,
I am trying to reclaim some use out of a couple old Compaq Presaio SR1720NX machines for the office by adding some memory and a PNY 240 GB CS1311 SSD drives. The bios was made by Phoenix; I did not identify a version number of the bios. I did not plan on keep the hard drive installed and planned on just using the SSD. These machines were IDE machines and only had two SATA ports on the motherboard.
When I install the SSD the bios recognizes the Pny SSD properly, and I was able to set up the boot order without difficulty.
When I had to replace the MB of a similar, older system, I used a non- HP MB. Later when I wanted to beef it up, the new MB only had 2 SATA ports and I wanted to install more drives. So I purchased a really cheap SATA controller card.
I got a store-brand SSD and to my surprise the MB controller did not see it but the cheap controller did. Blaming the store-brand SSD, I returned it and got a Crucial SSD. Same problem though. So it was the controller, not the SSD. MB controller worked fine with other SATA drives, but not with the SSD.
Jon
Jon,
I went to Fry's yesterday to pick up SATA controller card and the Fry's expert told me that their SATA controllers did not work with Linux. Can you look up the name of the SATA card that you used and publish it.
Thanks,
Greg
Silicon Image SiL 3124 PCI-X SATA RAID Controller
When I ran the simple "hdparm -t" tests on the same convevtional disks the add-in controller had about 75% the performance of the MB controller.
jon
On 07/23/2016 06:04 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
I went to Fry's yesterday to pick up SATA controller card and the Fry's expert told me that their SATA controllers did not work with Linux.
That seems very unlikely, most (all?) controllers are supported. I haven't heard of one not working for many years. Find out what chipset they use.
Everyone,
I am trying to reclaim some use out of a couple old Compaq Presaio SR1720NX machines for the office by adding some memory and a PNY 240 GB CS1311 SSD drives. The bios was made by Phoenix; I did not identify a version number of the bios. I did not plan on keep the hard drive installed and planned on just using the SSD. These machines were IDE machines and only had two SATA ports on the motherboard.
When I install the SSD the bios recognizes the Pny SSD properly, and I was able to set up the boot order without difficulty.
When I had to replace the MB of a similar, older system, I used a non- HP MB. Later when I wanted to beef it up, the new MB only had 2 SATA ports and I wanted to install more drives. So I purchased a really cheap SATA controller card.
I got a store-brand SSD and to my surprise the MB controller did not see it but the cheap controller did. Blaming the store-brand SSD, I returned it and got a Crucial SSD. Same problem though. So it was the controller, not the SSD. MB controller worked fine with other SATA drives, but not with the SSD.
Jon
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Jon,
I purchased SYBA Silicon Image SIL3114 from NewEgg, but unfortunately, had the same symptoms. The BIOS recognizes the PNY SATA drvie, but the Fedora 24 Live Cd disc does not recognize the drive and I am unable to insstall Fedora 24 to the PNY SSD. I also tried the CentOs 7.2 install disc and had the very same symptoms. If anyone else has an idea of how to proceed, I would surely appreciate it.
Thanks,
Greg
On Sun, 2016-07-31 at 09:37 -0500, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
Everyone,
I am trying to reclaim some use out of a couple old Compaq Presaio SR1720NX machines for the office by adding some memory and a PNY 240 GB CS1311 SSD drives. The bios was made by Phoenix; I did not identify a version number of the bios. I did not plan on keep the hard drive installed and planned on just using the SSD. These machines were IDE machines and only had two SATA ports on the motherboard.
When I install the SSD the bios recognizes the Pny SSD properly, and I was able to set up the boot order without difficulty.
When I had to replace the MB of a similar, older system, I used a non- HP MB. Later when I wanted to beef it up, the new MB only had 2 SATA ports and I wanted to install more drives. So I purchased a really cheap SATA controller card.
I got a store-brand SSD and to my surprise the MB controller did not see it but the cheap controller did. Blaming the store-brand SSD, I returned it and got a Crucial SSD. Same problem though. So it was the controller, not the SSD. MB controller worked fine with other SATA drives, but not with the SSD.
Jon
Jon,
I purchased SYBA Silicon Image SIL3114 from NewEgg, but unfortunately, had the same symptoms. The BIOS recognizes the PNY SATA drvie, but the Fedora 24 Live Cd disc does not recognize the drive and I am unable to insstall Fedora 24 to the PNY SSD. I also tried the CentOs 7.2 install disc and had the very same symptoms. If anyone else has an idea of how to proceed, I would surely appreciate it.
Thanks,
Greg
Check the specifications of your SSD. Most likely the SSD supports SAT2 and 3 (resp 3Gb/s and 6Gb/s) but not the SATA1 (1.5Gb/sec). I checked the SIL3114 does only 1.5Gb/Sata1. So if your drive does not support that there is an incompatibility between the 2.... I checked Samsung and most (all?) their drives support SATA1.
Louis
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