7:32 a.m.
In the Fedora 22 / KDE 5 task bar there is a "Software Updates" widget.
Where is the setting to remove that? It's inappropriate for arbitrary
end users to be be updating the system software on shared machines.
Many thanks,
Chris R.
7:41 a.m.
On 05/29/15 20:32, Christopher Ross wrote:
In the Fedora 22 / KDE 5 task bar there is a "Software
Updates" widget. Where is the setting to remove that? It's inappropriate for
arbitrary end users to be be updating the system software on shared machines.
I've never given that much thought so I can't answer your question directly.
However, unless the user is in the "wheel" group I don't think (you can
test) they will be allowed to update the system without providing the root password.
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12:07 a.m.
Christopher Ross wrote:
In the Fedora 22 / KDE 5 task bar there is a "Software
Updates" widget.
Where is the setting to remove that? It's inappropriate for arbitrary
end users to be be updating the system software on shared machines.
Right click systray ^ =>
system tray settings =>
General section, under "Extra Items", uncheck "Software Updates"
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3:52 a.m.
New subject: F22 KDE How To Remove "Software Updates" Widget? (Solved)
On 30/05/15 06:07, Rex Dieter wrote:
Christopher Ross wrote:
> In the Fedora 22 / KDE 5 task bar there is a "Software Updates" widget.
> Where is the setting to remove that? It's inappropriate for arbitrary
> end users to be be updating the system software on shared machines.
Right click systray ^ =>
system tray settings =>
General section, under "Extra Items", uncheck "Software
Updates"
Thanks, Rex. Yes, that's exactly what I wanted.
Regards,
Chris R.
5:52 a.m.
New subject: F22 KDE How To Remove "Software Updates" Widget? (Solved)
On 06/01/15 16:52, Christopher Ross wrote:
On 30/05/15 06:07, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Christopher Ross wrote:
>
>> In the Fedora 22 / KDE 5 task bar there is a "Software Updates"
widget.
>> Where is the setting to remove that? It's inappropriate for arbitrary
>> end users to be be updating the system software on shared machines.
>
> Right click systray ^ =>
> system tray settings =>
> General section, under "Extra Items", uncheck "Software
Updates"
>
Thanks, Rex. Yes, that's exactly what I wanted.
But, can't that same arbitrary user go back and re-check "Software
Updates"?
I thought the goal was to really keep any user from applying updates. That seems to just
hide it from them and if they look around they can turn it back on.
I know that what I said in my response doesn't work.
I think the question remains. Is there a system wide setting to prevent users from
updating without some sort of authorization.
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2:36 p.m.
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Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/01/15 16:52, Christopher Ross wrote:
> On 30/05/15 06:07, Rex Dieter wrote:
>> Christopher Ross wrote:
>>
>>> In the Fedora 22 / KDE 5 task bar there is a "Software Updates"
widget.
>>> Where is the setting to remove that? It's inappropriate for arbitrary
>>> end users to be be updating the system software on shared machines.
>>
>> Right click systray ^ =>
>> system tray settings =>
>> General section, under "Extra Items", uncheck "Software
Updates"
>>
>
> Thanks, Rex. Yes, that's exactly what I wanted.
But, can't that same arbitrary user go back and re-check "Software
Updates"?
I thought the goal was to really keep any user from applying updates.
That seems to just hide it from them and if they look around they can turn
it back on.
Yes, if you want to be rid of it completely, then remove the package:
plasma-pk-updates
-- rex
3:25 p.m.
New subject: F22 KDE How To Remove "Software Updates" Widget? (Solved)
On 06/01/2015 12:36 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 06/01/15 16:52, Christopher Ross wrote:
>> On 30/05/15 06:07, Rex Dieter wrote:
>>> Christopher Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>> In the Fedora 22 / KDE 5 task bar there is a "Software Updates"
widget.
>>>> Where is the setting to remove that? It's inappropriate for
arbitrary
>>>> end users to be be updating the system software on shared machines.
>>>
>>> Right click systray ^ =>
>>> system tray settings =>
>>> General section, under "Extra Items", uncheck "Software
Updates"
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Rex. Yes, that's exactly what I wanted.
>
> But, can't that same arbitrary user go back and re-check "Software
> Updates"?
>
> I thought the goal was to really keep any user from applying updates.
> That seems to just hide it from them and if they look around they can turn
> it back on.
Yes, if you want to be rid of it completely, then remove the package:
plasma-pk-updates
Not being a KDE user I don't know for sure, but even if it alerts that
updates are available, a normal user can't install them unless they're
members of the "wheel" group or they have the root password, not so?
That's the way it works on XFCE IIRC.
I'm the only user on my desktop machines, so I typically have a root
shell open and do a "yum update" or "dnf update" from there.
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4:09 p.m.
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On 06/02/15 04:25, Rick Stevens wrote:
Not being a KDE user I don't know for sure, but even if it alerts
that
updates are available, a normal user can't install them unless they're
members of the "wheel" group or they have the root password, not so?
That is what I thought, and what I said initially. However, 2 days after I said that
updates were available and I used a non-wheel user to do the updates and it worked. Not
the best of designs, IMO.
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4:23 p.m.
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On 06/01/2015 02:09 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/02/15 04:25, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Not being a KDE user I don't know for sure, but even if it alerts that
> updates are available, a normal user can't install them unless they're
> members of the "wheel" group or they have the root password, not so?
That is what I thought, and what I said initially. However, 2 days after I said that
updates were available and I used a non-wheel user to do the updates and it worked. Not
the best of designs, IMO.
Did it at least ask you for the root password? If it didn't and you
could do an update/install as a non-wheel user, then that's a HUGE
security hole and I'd BZ it immediately. But double check...the user
_may_ have "wheel" as a secondary group, e.g.:
# grep wheel /etc/group | grep <username>
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4:36 p.m.
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On 06/02/15 05:23, Rick Stevens wrote:
On 06/01/2015 02:09 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 06/02/15 04:25, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> Not being a KDE user I don't know for sure, but even if it alerts that
>> updates are available, a normal user can't install them unless they're
>> members of the "wheel" group or they have the root password, not so?
>
> That is what I thought, and what I said initially. However, 2 days after I said that
updates were available and I used a non-wheel user to do the updates and it worked. Not
the best of designs, IMO.
Did it at least ask you for the root password? If it didn't and you
could do an update/install as a non-wheel user, then that's a HUGE
security hole and I'd BZ it immediately. But double check...the user
_may_ have "wheel" as a secondary group, e.g.:
# grep wheel /etc/group | grep <username>
No prompt for root password. As I said above, I used an account which I knew not to be in
the wheel group.
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4:55 p.m.
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On 06/02/15 05:23, Rick Stevens wrote:
Did it at least ask you for the root password? If it didn't and
you
could do an update/install as a non-wheel user, then that's a HUGE
security hole and I'd BZ it immediately.
Just checked and the "good" news is that a user must enter the root password to
add/erase packages using the graphical tools.
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5:26 p.m.
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On 06/01/2015 02:55 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 06/02/15 05:23, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Did it at least ask you for the root password? If it didn't and you
> could do an update/install as a non-wheel user, then that's a HUGE
> security hole and I'd BZ it immediately.
Just checked and the "good" news is that a user must enter the root password to
add/erase packages using the graphical tools.
Yes, "good" (emphasis on the quotes) is the proper way to put it.
Updates can break stuff. Any operation that could break a functioning
system should require root authentication. I'd bugzilla that--probably
against polkit.
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6:08 p.m.
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On 06/02/15 06:26, Rick Stevens wrote:
Yes, "good" (emphasis on the quotes) is the proper way to
put it.
Updates can break stuff. Any operation that could break a functioning
system should require root authentication. I'd bugzilla that--probably
against polkit.
Probably a good idea to bugzilla. I'm not a GNOME user, but I need to check what it
does. If I recall, it downloads updates in the background and installs on reboot. I
wonder if that is true for non-wheel users as well.
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8:29 p.m.
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On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 05:36 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
No prompt for root password. As I said above, I used an account
which
I knew not to be in the wheel group.
Not one of those cases where you'd authorised something a short time
ago, and the authorisation was still hanging around?
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8:41 p.m.
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On 06/02/15 09:29, Tim wrote:
On Tue, 2015-06-02 at 05:36 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> No prompt for root password. As I said above, I used an account which
> I knew not to be in the wheel group.
Not one of those cases where you'd authorised something a short time
ago, and the authorisation was still hanging around?
No.
11:48 p.m.
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On 06/02/15 07:08, Ed Greshko wrote:
I'm not a GNOME user, but I need to check what it does. If I
recall, it downloads updates in the background and installs on reboot. I wonder if that
is true for non-wheel users as well.
FWIW, the default GNOME way is also to allow non-privileged users to apply updates.
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1:11 a.m.
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Allegedly, on or about 03 June 2015, Ed Greshko sent:
FWIW, the default GNOME way is also to allow non-privileged users to
apply updates.
I can see pluses and minuses to that, but mostly minuses. I hope it's
administratable.
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5:37 a.m.
I do that, and a blank window opens after system tray settings.
Afterwards, nothing more happens, no icons, no Extra Items, nothing
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 12:07 AM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu> wrote:
Christopher Ross wrote:
> In the Fedora 22 / KDE 5 task bar there is a "Software Updates" widget.
> Where is the setting to remove that? It's inappropriate for arbitrary
> end users to be be updating the system software on shared machines.
Right click systray ^ =>
system tray settings =>
General section, under "Extra Items", uncheck "Software Updates"
-- Rex
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