8:47 p.m.
My computer died, so I have to make a new one. The thing comes up
nicely, but when I try
to load the Fedora 15 I've been using, it won't go. I keep getting this
screen which demands
that I select a driver. What driver? Where do I find the blasted
thing? Isn't there a driver
on the Fedora 15 DVD?
I hope someone can help.
Bill Kuns
10:41 p.m.
Bill Kuns wrote:
My computer died, so I have to make a new one. The thing comes up
nicely, but
when I try
to load the Fedora 15 I've been using, it won't go. I keep getting this screen
which demands
that I select a driver. What driver? Where do I find the blasted thing? Isn't
there a driver
on the Fedora 15 DVD?
I hope someone can help.
From the top:
1 - FC15 is woefully old and a newer version might be helpful
2 - Do you by chance mean "can't install" FC15?
3 - If you have an install clarify "load"
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the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
10:51 p.m.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Bill Kuns <am497(a)cybermesa.com> wrote:
**
My computer died, so I have to make a new one. The thing comes up nicely,
but when I try
to load the Fedora 15 I've been using, it won't go. I keep getting this
screen which demands
that I select a driver. What driver? Where do I find the blasted thing?
Isn't there a driver
on the Fedora 15 DVD?
I hope someone can help.
Bill Kuns
Those with much more experience in the group and Linux will tell you that
this version is no longer supported, and that you should download the
current one if you need help. It sounds rather cold when they say it, but
they've answered these questions too often, about one a day, and we may be
under pressure to put out the next product.
Hope this helps.
Richard
1:50 a.m.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:47:07 -0600
Bill Kuns <am497(a)CyberMesa.com> wrote:
that I select a driver. What driver? Where do I find the blasted
thing? Isn't there a driver
on the Fedora 15 DVD?
It depends on the hardware your using.
As F15 is old in Fedora Releases,
the "driver" you need may not be
built into it.
If you are able to download a live media of F18,
and boot from the CD\DVD drive see will it boot and run.
In whatever Desktop suits you:
https://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options
If the newer release works, you know a upgrade is required.
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4:27 a.m.
Am 30.03.2013 04:51, schrieb Richard Vickery:
Those with much more experience in the group and Linux will tell you
that this version is no longer supported, and
that you should download the current one if you need help. It sounds rather cold when
they say it, but they've
answered these questions too often, about one a day, and we may be under pressure to put
out the next product.
you do not need to be snappy
* the 6 months release cycle is not new
* everybody who installs a OS should have enough brain to consider the life-cycle for his
usage
so no, ZERO understanding for chosing the wrong distribution and ZERO
understanding for try to install a outdated OS on a new computer
4:07 p.m.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net>wrote:
Am 30.03.2013 04:51, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> Those with much more experience in the group and Linux will tell you
that this version is no longer supported, and
> that you should download the current one if you need help. It sounds
rather cold when they say it, but they've
> answered these questions too often, about one a day, and we may be under
pressure to put out the next product.
you do not need to be snappy
* the 6 months release cycle is not new
* everybody who installs a OS should have enough brain to consider the
life-cycle for his usage
so no, ZERO understanding for chosing the wrong distribution and ZERO
understanding for try to install a outdated OS on a new computer
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I'm just offering my understanding of the cycles, Reindl. Perhaps I should
have prefaced my contribution as such, but that is not grounds for calling
it ZERO. Calling my contribution ZERO indicates that I took a class on
understanding the development cycle, in which your ZERO would be
self-directed, or directed at Red Hat or Fedora, because you didn't teach
the concepts properly, but there is no such course, so why bash me when I
am just here to contribute and learn what I can. Did I not start the piece
with a suggestive beginning that I may be wrong and those like yourself
with vastly superior knowledge would clear it up?
4:10 p.m.
Am 30.03.2013 22:07, schrieb Richard Vickery:
I'm just offering my understanding of the cycles, Reindl. Perhaps
I should have prefaced my contribution as such,
but that is not grounds for calling it ZERO. Calling my contribution ZERO indicates that
I took a class on
understanding the development cycle, in which your ZERO would be self-directed, or
directed at Red Hat or Fedora,
because you didn't teach the concepts properly, but there is no such course, so why
bash me when I am just here to
contribute and learn what I can. Did I not start the piece with a suggestive beginning
that I may be wrong and
those like yourself with vastly superior knowledge would clear it up?
you REALLY install a random operating system without
any research of basics? if you act in the real world
this way you would not have a chance to survive
https://www.google.com/search?q=fedora+life+cycle
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle?rd=LifeCycle
10:09 p.m.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net>wrote:
Am 30.03.2013 22:07, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> I'm just offering my understanding of the cycles, Reindl. Perhaps I
should have prefaced my contribution as such,
> but that is not grounds for calling it ZERO. Calling my contribution
ZERO indicates that I took a class on
> understanding the development cycle, in which your ZERO would be
self-directed, or directed at Red Hat or Fedora,
> because you didn't teach the concepts properly, but there is no such
course, so why bash me when I am just here to
> contribute and learn what I can. Did I not start the piece with a
suggestive beginning that I may be wrong and
> those like yourself with vastly superior knowledge would clear it up?
you REALLY install a random operating system without
any research of basics? if you act in the real world
this way you would not have a chance to survive
https://www.google.com/search?q=fedora+life+cycle
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle?rd=LifeCycle
In my world, those of political science and law, research is done in books
or online reports where we know what to look for, and we have a pretty good
knowledge of what the cases are that we're making; plus, we have librarians
ready and willing to help find information. Excuse my ignorance, but I
neither knew, nor heard anyone suggest, that I had to go grab information
and insight from some webpage, the existence of which most contributors, at
least in my place, are clueless of.
10:13 p.m.
On 03/30/2013 08:09 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
In my world, those of political science and law, research is done in
books or online reports where we know what to look for, and we have a
pretty good knowledge of what the cases are that we're making; plus, we
have librarians ready and willing to help find information. Excuse my
ignorance, but I neither knew, nor heard anyone suggest, that I had to
go grab information and insight from some webpage, the existence of
which most contributors, at least in my place, are clueless of.
So what you're saying is, it never would have occurred to you to go to
the distro's website and see what the people putting it out have to say
about it, before using it?
10:47 p.m.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us> wrote:
On 03/30/2013 08:09 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
> In my world, those of political science and law, research is done in
> books or online reports where we know what to look for, and we have a
> pretty good knowledge of what the cases are that we're making; plus, we
> have librarians ready and willing to help find information. Excuse my
> ignorance, but I neither knew, nor heard anyone suggest, that I had to
> go grab information and insight from some webpage, the existence of
> which most contributors, at least in my place, are clueless of.
>
So what you're saying is, it never would have occurred to you to go to the
distro's website and see what the people putting it out have to say about
it, before using it?
How would I know to look for something that I would not be sure I had an
interest in, let alone know exists?
11:15 p.m.
On 03/30/2013 08:47 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
How would I know to look for something that I would not be sure I had an
interest in, let alone know exists?
Well, you could start by going to https://fedoraproject.org/ and looking
around to see what the people running have to say. I think it's called
"due diligence," or something like that.
12:42 a.m.
Allegedly, on or about 30 March 2013, Joe Zeff sent:
Well, you could start by going to https://fedoraproject.org/ and
looking around to see what the people running have to say. I think
it's called "due diligence," or something like that.
The trouble with trawling the web, or even single websites, is that
you're in "needle in a haystack" territory. Especially when sites move
away from having a structured content (e.g. a table of contents that you
can follow, that does not miss out some of the site contents), to being
a mess of a small aspect of the site being thrown on the front page in
an incoherent splatter.
As examples, over time is has ranged from being easy, to damn near
impossible, to find the Fedora pages about hardware requirements, or
checksum checking your downloaded ISO file. Never mind information
about handling the more obtuse installations.
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use Windows.
5:56 a.m.
Am 31.03.2013 05:47, schrieb Richard Vickery:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us
<mailto:joe@zeff.us>> wrote:
On 03/30/2013 08:09 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
In my world, those of political science and law, research is done in
books or online reports where we know what to look for, and we have a
pretty good knowledge of what the cases are that we're making; plus, we
have librarians ready and willing to help find information. Excuse my
ignorance, but I neither knew, nor heard anyone suggest, that I had to
go grab information and insight from some webpage, the existence of
which most contributors, at least in my place, are clueless of.
So what you're saying is, it never would have occurred to you to go to the
distro's website and see what the
people putting it out have to say about it, before using it?
How would I know to look for something that I would not be sure I had an interest in, let
alone know exists?
sorry but this sounds very idiotic
6:05 a.m.
Am 31.03.2013 07:42, schrieb Tim:
Allegedly, on or about 30 March 2013, Joe Zeff sent:
> Well, you could start by going to https://fedoraproject.org/ and
> looking around to see what the people running have to say. I think
> it's called "due diligence," or something like that.
The trouble with trawling the web, or even single websites, is that
you're in "needle in a haystack" territory. Especially when sites move
away from having a structured content (e.g. a table of contents that you
can follow, that does not miss out some of the site contents), to being
a mess of a small aspect of the site being thrown on the front page in
an incoherent splatter
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
* Voluntary Linux consumer
* Computer-friendly
* Likely collaborator
* General productivity user
if you BLINDLY install any OS your are NOT one of this 4
and i would go so far that someone who does not bother
about life-cycles of software at all should go back to
windows, there are many people taking money to think
for him
11:15 a.m.
I installed the CD that came with the book. At the time, I didn't know the
website existed.
On Mar 30, 2013 9:16 PM, "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us> wrote:
On 03/30/2013 08:47 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
>
> How would I know to look for something that I would not be sure I had an
> interest in, let alone know exists?
>
Well, you could start by going to https://fedoraproject.org/ and looking
around to see what the people running have to say. I think it's called
"due diligence," or something like that.
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11:26 a.m.
On Mar 31, 2013 3:56 AM, "Reindl Harald" <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
Am 31.03.2013 05:47, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us <mailto:
joe(a)zeff.us>> wrote:
>
> On 03/30/2013 08:09 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
> In my world, those of political science and law, research is
done in
> books or online reports where we know what to look for,
and we
have a
> pretty good knowledge of what the cases are that
we're making;
plus, we
> have librarians ready and willing to help find
information.
Excuse my
> ignorance, but I neither knew, nor heard anyone suggest,
that I
had to
> go grab information and insight from some webpage, the
existence of
> which most contributors, at least in my place, are
clueless of.
>
> So what you're saying is, it never would have occurred to you to go
to
the distro's website and see what the
> people putting it out have to say about it, before using
it?
>
> How would I know to look for something that I would not be sure I had
an
interest in, let alone know exists?
sorry but this sounds very idiotic
What reference point are you using when you use the term 'idiotic'?
I wonder ifanyone has given any thought to this surprise being exactly that
which is why universities will never install Fedora or Red Hat on any of
their boxes, much less entirely. Microsoft will ALWAYS beat us out when
they're far more helpful than we are.
11:35 a.m.
On Mar 31, 2013 9:26 AM, "Richard Vickery" <richard.vickeryrv(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mar 31, 2013 3:56 AM, "Reindl Harald" <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 31.03.2013 05:47, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> > On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us <mailto:
joe(a)zeff.us>> wrote:
> >
> > On 03/30/2013 08:09 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
> >
> > In my world, those of political science and law, research is
done
in
> > books or online reports where we know what to look
for, and
we have a
> > pretty good knowledge of what the cases are that
we're
making; plus, we
> > have librarians ready and willing to help find
information.
Excuse my
> > ignorance, but I neither knew, nor heard anyone
suggest, that
I had to
> > go grab information and insight from some webpage,
the
existence of
> > which most contributors, at least in my place, are
clueless
of.
> >
> > So what you're saying is, it never would have occurred to you to
go to the distro's website and see what the
> > people putting it out have to say about it, before
using it?
> >
> > How would I know to look for something that I would not be sure I had
an
interest in, let alone know exists?
>
> sorry but this sounds very idiotic
>
What reference point are you using when you use the term 'idiotic'?
I wonder ifanyone has given any thought to this surprise being exactly
that which
is why universities will never install Fedora or Red Hat on any
of their boxes, much less entirely. Microsoft will ALWAYS beat us out when
they're far more helpful than we are.
Sorry, I shouldn't have said "helpful"; by "more helpful" I ought
to have
said that they don't disrespect the users' humanity by calling them idiots.
11:41 a.m.
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:35:23 -0700
Richard Vickery <richard.vickeryrv(a)gmail.com> wrote:
that which is why universities will never install Fedora or Red Hat
on any of their boxes, much less entirely. Microsoft will ALWAYS
beat us out when they're far more helpful than we are.
Sorry, I shouldn't have said "helpful"; by "more helpful" I
ought
to have said that they don't disrespect the users' humanity by
calling them idiots.
To clarify no-one representing Fedora\Red Hat called you an idiot.
It was a user of this list. This a user to user list
People on Windows lists also call each other idiots.
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11:59 a.m.
On Mar 31, 2013 9:41 AM, "Frank Murphy" <frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:35:23 -0700
Richard Vickery <richard.vickeryrv(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> that which is why universities will never install Fedora or Red Hat
> on any of their boxes, much less entirely. Microsoft will ALWAYS
> beat us out when they're far more helpful than we are.
>
> Sorry, I shouldn't have said "helpful"; by "more helpful" I
ought
> to have said that they don't disrespect the users' humanity by
> calling them idiots.
To clarify no-one representing Fedora\Red Hat called you an idiot.
It was a user of this list. This a user to user list
People on Windows lists also call each other idiots.
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http//www.frankly3d.com
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Thanks Frank, but I don't think it's me that you / we have to worry about;
I think we much more have to worry about those making the decisions on the
university campus.
If it is a user calling me an idiot, perhaps Red Hat ought to moderate the
lists more closely so that we don't have people abusing people on lists
that they "own" (public perception is that they own these lists).
1:26 p.m.
On 03/31/2013 09:35 AM, Richard Vickery wrote:
Sorry, I shouldn't have said "helpful"; by "more
helpful" I ought to
have said that they don't disrespect the users' humanity by calling them
idiots.
So you're going to call the entire Fedora community disrespectful simply
because one bad-tempered member of this mailing list called you an idiot.
1:57 p.m.
| From: Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net>
| Am 30.03.2013 04:51, schrieb Richard Vickery:
| > Those with much more experience in the group and Linux will tell you that this
version is no longer supported, and
| > that you should download the current one if you need help. It sounds rather cold
when they say it, but they've
| > answered these questions too often, about one a day, and we may be under pressure
to put out the next product.
|
| you do not need to be snappy
|
| * the 6 months release cycle is not new
| * everybody who installs a OS should have enough brain to consider the life-cycle for
his usage
|
| so no, ZERO understanding for chosing the wrong distribution and ZERO
| understanding for try to install a outdated OS on a new computer
Reindl:
I think that this is where the conversation when wrong. Surely a
misunderstanding.
Vickery was trying to soften the blow of the advice Kuns was given,
explaining it to him. He was not suggesting that the advice was
wrong.
Vickery was not snappy (in the eyes of a native speaker of English).
Kuns was doing something you consider dumb, but we don't know why he
was doing it. He might have had a good reason.
The advice Kuns was getting was suggesting he use a more modern
release.
That's my interpretation.
What was your interpretation? Why did you feel it
necessary/useful/appropriate to jump in with such a harsh and
judgemental statement? And why to Vickery, not Kuns?
Kuns has not come back with a reply. Did we scare him off? That
would be too bad.
2 p.m.
Am 31.03.2013 18:59, schrieb Richard Vickery:
Thanks Frank, but I don't think it's me that you / we have to
worry about; I think we much more have to worry about
those making the decisions on the university campus.
If it is a user calling me an idiot, perhaps Red Hat ought to moderate the lists more
closely so that we don't have
people abusing people on lists that they "own" (public perception is that they
own these lists)
from my point of view it is idiotic to install a random
operating system without using my brain and look if it
feeds my needs and coming 2013 with Fedora 15 is not
a sign of any smartness
the university campus will use CentOS/RHEL because they
spent some minutes to think about their usecases
6:17 p.m.
On 03/30/2013 09:07 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net
<mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net>> wrote:
Am 30.03.2013 04:51, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> Those with much more experience in the group and Linux will tell
you that this version is no longer supported, and
> that you should download the current one if you need help. It
sounds rather cold when they say it, but they've
> answered these questions too often, about one a day, and we may
be under pressure to put out the next product.
you do not need to be snappy
* the 6 months release cycle is not new
* everybody who installs a OS should have enough brain to consider
the life-cycle for his usage
so no, ZERO understanding for chosing the wrong distribution and ZERO
understanding for try to install a outdated OS on a new computer
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I'm just offering my understanding of the cycles, Reindl. Perhaps I
should have prefaced my contribution as such, but that is not grounds
for calling it ZERO. Calling my contribution ZERO indicates that I
took a class on understanding the development cycle, in which your
ZERO would be self-directed, or directed at Red Hat or Fedora, because
you didn't teach the concepts properly, but there is no such course,
so why bash me when I am just here to contribute and learn what I
can. Did I not start the piece with a suggestive beginning that I may
be wrong and those like yourself with vastly superior knowledge would
clear it up?
Hi Richard, you appear to be replying to Reindl, While occasionally
informative he is predisposed to be aggressive in his responses, I find
it easier to filter out his mails and limit my replys to other posters.
Junk.
7:09 p.m.
On Sun, 2013-03-31 at 09:26 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote:
I wonder ifanyone has given any thought to this surprise being
exactly
that
which is why universities will never install Fedora or Red Hat on any
of
their boxes, much less entirely. Microsoft will ALWAYS beat us out
when
they're far more helpful than we are.
Without wanting to jump into this discussion, I just want to note that
on this specific point you are wrong. Plenty of universities use Fedora,
and plenty use Red Hat (or equivalently Centos) on mission-critical
servers.
poc
12:51 p.m.
Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 31.03.2013 05:47, schrieb Richard Vickery:
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us
<mailto:joe@zeff.us>> wrote:
>
> On 03/30/2013 08:09 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
> In my world, those of political science and law, research is done in
> books or online reports where we know what to look for, and we have a
> pretty good knowledge of what the cases are that we're making; plus, we
> have librarians ready and willing to help find information. Excuse my
> ignorance, but I neither knew, nor heard anyone suggest, that I had to
> go grab information and insight from some webpage, the existence of
> which most contributors, at least in my place, are clueless of.
>
> So what you're saying is, it never would have occurred to you to go to the
distro's website and see what the
> people putting it out have to say about it, before using it?
>
> How would I know to look for something that I would not be sure I had an interest in,
let alone know exists?
sorry but this sounds very idiotic
Agreed.
I felt as though I had supplied a clue with my initial answer, to which I got no
followup. It certainly took less effort than 30+ followups about what he could
have done. Since the OP didn't reply I assume he has solved the problem or lost
interest.
There are reasons for running old versions, but but only a few of us have a good
one. I stopped caring after not getting a response, and follow this thread now
for amusement, watching sensible people not only beat a dead horse, but drag the
carcass through the streets.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
12:57 p.m.
On 04/01/2013 12:51 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
I stopped caring after not getting a response, and follow this
thread
now for amusement, watching sensible people not only beat a dead horse,
but drag the carcass through the streets.
Couldn't resist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
--
-- Steve
1:03 p.m.
Junk wrote:
On 03/30/2013 09:07 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
Hi Richard, you appear to be replying to Reindl, While occasionally
informative
he is predisposed to be aggressive in his responses, I find it easier to filter
out his mails and limit my replys to other posters.
He is knowledgeable, but lacks both tolerance and tact. He reminds me of me when
I was younger. I have improved the tact a little, I try to say "Let me clarify
that for you" instead of "You are too stupid to understand this."
Note "try."
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"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
1:06 p.m.
On 04/01/2013 10:51 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
There are reasons for running old versions, but but only a few of us
have a good one. I stopped caring after not getting a response, and
follow this thread now for amusement, watching sensible people not only
beat a dead horse, but drag the carcass through the streets.
Absolutely. Yesterday's updates (I presume) somehow b0rk my desktop,
running F 17; even rebooting into an older kernel didn't get things
back. (No, this isn't an attempt to hijack the thread; it's just
background for what follows.) The boot process never completes, but
when disk activity stops, I can get to an alternate TTY and log in;
sometimes, but not always, the network's up. (I'm a tad suspicious of
my NIC, but again, that's a side issue.)
I've decided that the best thing to do is to reinstall Fedora, without
reformatting /home to get a fresh start. Right now I'm downloading the
F 17 .iso onto my laptop and will burn a DVD. Why 17? Well, I've been
reading all too many threads on fedoraforum about people having endless
problems with the new anaconda's partitioning software, especially when
it comes to reusing old partitions and I'm not willing to take any
chances with it. Being one version behind isn't really that bad, as
it's still supported, but I wanted to toss it out as a reason not to go
with The Latest And Greatest.
1:10 p.m.
Am 01.04.2013 20:06, schrieb Joe Zeff:
On 04/01/2013 10:51 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> There are reasons for running old versions, but but only a few of us
> have a good one.
there are NO REASONS for Fedora
if you need LTS because you have reasons you use the wrong distribution
I stopped caring after not getting a response, and
> follow this thread now for amusement, watching sensible people not only
> beat a dead horse, but drag the carcass through the streets.
Absolutely. Yesterday's updates (I presume) somehow b0rk my desktop, running F 17;
even rebooting into an older
kernel didn't get things back. (No, this isn't an attempt to hijack the thread;
it's just background for what
follows.) The boot process never completes, but when disk activity stops, I can get to
an alternate TTY and log
in; sometimes, but not always, the network's up. (I'm a tad suspicious of my
NIC, but again, that's a side issue.)
I've decided that the best thing to do is to reinstall Fedora
and why did you not
* login after press CTRL+ALT+F3 as root
* type "cat /var/log/yum.log"
* yum downgrade "package1 package2 package3"
?????????????????????????????
this is not windows
1:20 p.m.
On 04/01/2013 11:10 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and why did you not
* login after press CTRL+ALT+F3 as root
* type "cat /var/log/yum.log"
* yum downgrade "package1 package2 package3"
?????????????????????????????
this is not windows
I did; it didn't help. And, as I said, I'm not trying to hijack the thread.
Actually, what I did was much simpler:
yum history last undo
1:25 p.m.
Am 01.04.2013 20:03, schrieb Bill Davidsen:
Junk wrote:
> On 03/30/2013 09:07 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
> Hi Richard, you appear to be replying to Reindl, While occasionally informative
> he is predisposed to be aggressive in his responses, I find it easier to filter
> out his mails and limit my replys to other posters.
>
He is knowledgeable, but lacks both tolerance and tact. He reminds me of me when I was
younger. I have improved the
tact a little, I try to say "Let me clarify that for you" instead of "You
are too stupid to understand this."
Note "try."
and i went the opposite way
why?
because all this machines configured from people which should never
touch a configuration attached to the internet are wasting my lifetime
in my daily jobs as developer / sysadmin and security officer and the
minimum someone has to do is READ basic documentations or hire someone
with the needed konwledge BEFORE put his spam/attack amplifier on the
network
1:28 p.m.
Am 01.04.2013 20:20, schrieb Joe Zeff:
On 04/01/2013 11:10 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> and why did you not
>
> * login after press CTRL+ALT+F3 as root
> * type "cat /var/log/yum.log"
> * yum downgrade "package1 package2 package3"
>
> ?????????????????????????????
>
> this is not windows
I did; it didn't help. And, as I said, I'm not trying to hijack the thread.
Actually, what I did was much simpler:
yum history last undo
if you believe.....
never saw anything on a fedora-setup which could not be
repaired, even dist-upgrades with power interruption in
the middle of the yum-upgrade...........
1:47 p.m.
On 04/01/2013 11:25 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and i went the opposite way
So did I, but I turned around and came back. When I was doing phone
tech support, I probably got a bad reputation as somebody the younger
techs should avoid because I was very impatient with them. After
several years, I realized that I was being unfair because none of them
had the experience to be aware of most of the things I thought were
obvious. It took time and effort, but by the time the call center was
closed and we were all laid off, my reputation was probably much better,
and I was able to help some of them learn how to do things better.
Just remember, that there are lots and lots of things that you find
intuitively obvious that many of the people on this list have never
encountered. As an example, how many of you know why you can't get 56K
speeds on a modem if the port has an 8250 UART? Or, for something more
current, why can't you download a program on a Windows box, put it on a
flash drive, then run it on your Linux box directly? Yes, the answer
should be obvious, but you'd be surprised how many people don't know it.
I'm sorry to lecture, but something in your post struck a chord, and I
had to let it out. I'll get off of my soap box and let you all get back
to work.
1:52 p.m.
On 04/01/2013 11:28 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
never saw anything on a fedora-setup which could not be
repaired, even dist-upgrades with power interruption in
the middle of the yum-upgrade...........
I'd prefer to repair, of course. (I once spent almost a week cleaning
up an upgrade that hung, but that time, I knew what was needed.) Alas,
the boot process just stops, leaving no evidence that I've been able to
find in either boot.log or /var/log/messages. I've tried disabling the
last services to report that they'd started but not finished, with no
change. It's not that I don't want to fix it, it's just that I've run
out of ideas, and am reluctantly biting the bullet.
4:10 p.m.
Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.04.2013 20:06, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 04/01/2013 10:51 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>> There are reasons for running old versions, but but only a few of us
>> have a good one.
there are NO REASONS for Fedora
if you need LTS because you have reasons you use the wrong distribution
> I stopped caring after not getting a response, and
>> follow this thread now for amusement, watching sensible people not only
>> beat a dead horse, but drag the carcass through the streets.
>
> Absolutely. Yesterday's updates (I presume) somehow b0rk my desktop, running F
17; even rebooting into an older
> kernel didn't get things back. (No, this isn't an attempt to hijack the
thread; it's just background for what
> follows.) The boot process never completes, but when disk activity stops, I can get
to an alternate TTY and log
> in; sometimes, but not always, the network's up. (I'm a tad suspicious of my
NIC, but again, that's a side issue.)
>
> I've decided that the best thing to do is to reinstall Fedora
and why did you not
* login after press CTRL+ALT+F3 as root
He did that, unless you read "get an alternate TTY" to mean something else.
* type "cat /var/log/yum.log"
* yum downgrade "package1 package2 package3"
?????????????????????????????
this is not windows
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
6:21 a.m.
Bill Davidsen:
> I stopped caring after not getting a response, and follow this
thread
> now for amusement, watching sensible people not only beat a dead horse,
> but drag the carcass through the streets.
Steven Stern:
Couldn't resist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grbSQ6O6kbs
Awww, I was hoping that'd be a link to Un Chien Andalou, which might be
even more appropriate to some of the wackiness on this thread.
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