I just learned that fuse-ssh allows one to mount drives via ssh. How cool! As root, it works fine.
When regular users try it, it fails because they don't have permission to /dev/fuse.
One option is to add users one by one to the fuse group in /etc/group. But I don't have time to do that, and there are hundreds of users.
Can you tell me a way to allow all users who sit at the console to use sshfs mounts? I tried to add the group user to the group fuse, but got plenty of errors with that one. Maybe there is some hal or udev thing you can tell me to do?
Paul Johnson wrote:
I just learned that fuse-ssh allows one to mount drives via ssh. How cool! As root, it works fine.
When regular users try it, it fails because they don't have permission to /dev/fuse.
One option is to add users one by one to the fuse group in /etc/group. But I don't have time to do that, and there are hundreds of users.
Can you tell me a way to allow all users who sit at the console to use sshfs mounts? I tried to add the group user to the group fuse, but got plenty of errors with that one. Maybe there is some hal or udev thing you can tell me to do?
man sudo
Setup up sudo (using visudo) so that the user had permission to use the commands.
On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 23:14 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
One option is to add users one by one to the fuse group in /etc/group. But I don't have time to do that, and there are hundreds of users.
Scripting to automate changing membership? You'd probably, also, want to script the user-adding routine for the future, to add new users to the groups you use on your system.
On 8/24/07, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 23:14 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
One option is to add users one by one to the fuse group in /etc/group. But I don't have time to do that, and there are hundreds of users.
Scripting to automate changing membership? You'd probably, also, want to script the user-adding routine for the future, to add new users to the groups you use on your system.
You are making this way too hard. Even if I could figure it out, I could never teach a part time lab assistant. I can't create an ever more complicated chain of tools and scripts for things like this because at some point an ordinary human will have to administer these systems, possibly adding users with a Fedora tool like system-config-users.
Is Fedora supposed to be a desktop distribution for users or not? How in the HELL do the people who put fuse into the distribution expect "ordinary" people to use it? I refuse to believe the makers of the program expect it to be such a massive pain in the ass.
But, then again, I'm often surprised. I still can't get over the difficulty of mounting drives when not root.
Paul Johnson:
One option is to add users one by one to the fuse group in /etc/group. But I don't have time to do that, and there are hundreds of users.
Tim:
Scripting to automate changing membership? You'd probably, also, want to script the user-adding routine for the future, to add new users to the groups you use on your system.
Paul Johnson:
You are making this way too hard. Even if I could figure it out, I could never teach a part time lab assistant. I can't create an ever more complicated chain of tools and scripts for things like this because at some point an ordinary human will have to administer these systems, possibly adding users with a Fedora tool like system-config-users.
I would imagine that there's a way to specify default groups to be added to. And I'm fairly certain that someone would have made a way to easily modify batches of existing users. There are some tools around for systems configuration, darned if I can recall the name of one of them at the moment, other than something beginning with "s". No, I don't mean something like system-config-whatever, there's a third-party package. Sab... sat... I can't remember.
Maybe start with a search query like: http://www.google.com.au/search?&q=remote+admin+of+a+group+of+fedora +linux+computers
Webmin might be worth looking at, but I haven't used it for years.
Is Fedora supposed to be a desktop distribution for users or not?
A lab of computers isn't exactly a default condition. Most networks, whether Fedora or otherwise, would probably need some customisation. At least with Linux, you *can* customise such things to your heart's content. If labs setting up computers don't have a competent administrator for it, that's where the real problem lay.
How in the HELL do the people who put fuse into the distribution expect "ordinary" people to use it? I refuse to believe the makers of the program expect it to be such a massive pain in the ass.
But, then again, I'm often surprised. I still can't get over the difficulty of mounting drives when not root.
I haven't played with Fuse, but I can well understand why non-root users shouldn't be allowed to mount drives by *default*. It does make it all too easy for a malcontent to introduce something unwanted, or steal files. Of course, you are allowed to change the defaults.
On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 16:54 +0930, Tim wrote:
Paul Johnson:
You are making this way too hard. Even if I could figure it out, I could never teach a part time lab assistant. I can't create an ever more complicated chain of tools and scripts for things like this because at some point an ordinary human will have to administer these systems, possibly adding users with a Fedora tool like system-config-users.
I would imagine that there's a way to specify default groups to be added to. And I'm fairly certain that someone would have made a way to easily modify batches of existing users. There are some tools around for systems configuration, darned if I can recall the name of one of them at the moment, other than something beginning with "s". No, I don't mean something like system-config-whatever, there's a third-party package. Sab... sat... I can't remember.
Sabayon. I'm using it at our school to configure a universal desktop setup for all our students. It doesn't have anything to do with adding or removing users from groups, though.
Jonathan
On 8/27/07, Jonathan Dieter jdieter@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 16:54 +0930, Tim wrote:
Paul Johnson:
You are making this way too hard. Even if I could figure it out, I could never teach a part time lab assistant. I can't create an ever more complicated chain of tools and scripts for things like this because at some point an ordinary human will have to administer these systems, possibly adding users with a Fedora tool like system-config-users.
I would imagine that there's a way to specify default groups to be added to. And I'm fairly certain that someone would have made a way to easily modify batches of existing users. There are some tools around for systems configuration, darned if I can recall the name of one of them at the moment, other than something beginning with "s". No, I don't mean something like system-config-whatever, there's a third-party package. Sab... sat... I can't remember.
Sabayon. I'm using it at our school to configure a universal desktop setup for all our students. It doesn't have anything to do with adding or removing users from groups, though.
Jonathan
I just think there is a mistake or inconsistency in the way Fedora is set up.
Why not let ordinary users access /dev/fuse from the command line?
They are not allowed to type "sshfs user@system: mounpoint" but they are allowed to do it through a GUI in either Gnome or KDE.
Users can sshfs mount a drive inside nautilus by typing in a URL ssh://user@system:
And inside konqueror, the URL is fish://user@system:
Why not allow the command line mount as well??
I never did understand why Fedora only lets root run "mount" but it lets ordinary users
Tim:
Scripting to automate changing membership? You'd probably, also, want to script the user-adding routine for the future, to add new users to the groups you use on your system.
Paul Johnson:
You are making this way too hard. Even if I could figure it out, I could never teach a part time lab assistant.
"usermod"
e.g. usermod -a -G fuse pauljohnson
-a (append) -G (list supplementary groups to belong to, e.g. fuse)
It's not very hard. It's just one of those things you do when using a computer. No worse than learning to type your name and password correctly when you log in. It's all part of configuring a system.
If you can't figure out how to automate that, I'm sure someone could tell you how to feed a list of names to it so they're all processed. The only hard part is going to be preparing that list of names, in the first place. Though, that shouldn't be very hard if you intend adding all users to the group. For Linux, that's every name in the /etc/passwd file (the first word) with a user id greater than 499 (the third parameter in the file).
But you probably already have a list of users, somewhere, for when you originally created all the user accounts. Use that again.
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