I've read the release notes and see no mention of a floppy device, other than a mention of removable devices not being added to fstab. Where did they go? How can I make them? I need to access a floppy...
Regards
Doug P
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:33:02AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
I've read the release notes and see no mention of a floppy device, other than a mention of removable devices not being added to fstab. Where did they go? How can I make them? I need to access a floppy...
That's removable devices in the sense of USB keys and the like. The floppy driver should 'just work' as it always did (though I admit, it's been about 12 months since I've personally tried it)
Dave
Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:33:02AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
I've read the release notes and see no mention of a floppy device, other than a mention of removable devices not being added to fstab. Where did they go? How can I make them? I need to access a floppy...
That's removable devices in the sense of USB keys and the like. The floppy driver should 'just work' as it always did (though I admit, it's been about 12 months since I've personally tried it)
Dave
When you say, "It should just work", does than mean a file manager should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a mount point created? It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices. There are some entries in a directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear to be floppy related:
ls -l total 4 lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Jun 12 11:30 0 -> /dev/pts/4 lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Jun 12 11:30 1 -> /dev/pts/4 lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Jun 12 11:30 2 -> /dev/pts/4 lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Jun 12 11:30 255 -> /dev/pts/4
Thanks
Doug P
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than mean a file manager should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I said it's been a while since I've had to resort to using a floppy, so things may have changed (though from the sounds of things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices. There are some entries in a directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Dave
Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than mean a file manager should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I said it's been a while since I've had to resort to using a floppy, so things may have changed (though from the sounds of things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices. There are some entries in a directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Dave
lsmod | grep floppy returns nothing. modprobe floppy returns:
FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1.2054_FC5/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device
The kernel module is there and the floppy works fine under that OTHER OS.
Doug P
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 10:44:49AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than mean a file manager should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I said it's been a while since I've had to resort to using a floppy, so things may have changed (though from the sounds of things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices. There are some entries
in a > directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Davelsmod | grep floppy returns nothing. modprobe floppy returns:
FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1.2054_FC5/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device
Is the floppy enabled in the BIOS ?
Dave
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:07:06AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
Is the floppy enabled in the BIOS ?
Yes, it works fine under windows.
The only time I've seen the floppy driver fail to find a controller has been when its been explicitly disabled in the bios, or we've screwed up something really fundamental like interrupt routing, so this is very strange.
does booting with acpi=off make it discoverable ?
Dave
Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:07:06AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
Is the floppy enabled in the BIOS ?
Yes, it works fine under windows.
The only time I've seen the floppy driver fail to find a controller has been when its been explicitly disabled in the bios, or we've screwed up something really fundamental like interrupt routing, so this is very strange.
does booting with acpi=off make it discoverable ?
Dave
New messages with acpi=off when floppy plugged in:
Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB) Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB) Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Jun 12 13:39:54 hill1 kernel: sda: unknown partition table
BTW, this is a Dell Inspiron 8600
Doug P
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 12:08:12PM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
New messages with acpi=off when floppy plugged in:
Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB) Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB) Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Jun 12 13:39:54 hill1 kernel: sda: unknown partition table
BTW, this is a Dell Inspiron 8600
Oh, this is an external floppy ? USB ?
Dave
Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 12:08:12PM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
New messages with acpi=off when floppy plugged in:
Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB) Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB) Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Jun 12 13:39:54 hill1 kernel: sda: unknown partition table
BTW, this is a Dell Inspiron 8600
Oh, this is an external floppy ? USB ?
Dave
No, internal...
Doug P
On 6/12/06, Douglas Phillipson phillipd@oem.doe.gov wrote:
Dave Jones wrote:
Oh, this is an external floppy ? USB ?
No, internal...
Some laptops have the internal drive wired up as a USB device to implement hot-plugging. I guess you may remove the drive without turning off the system? Anyway, it should behave as a generic USB storage device.
Klaasjan
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 12:08 -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:07:06AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
Is the floppy enabled in the BIOS ?
Yes, it works fine under windows.
The only time I've seen the floppy driver fail to find a controller has been when its been explicitly disabled in the bios, or we've screwed up something really fundamental like interrupt routing, so this is very strange.
does booting with acpi=off make it discoverable ?
DaveNew messages with acpi=off when floppy plugged in:
Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB) Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: SCSI device sda: 2880 512-byte hdwr sectors (1 MB) Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: Write Protect is off Jun 12 13:39:53 hill1 kernel: sda: assuming drive cache: write through Jun 12 13:39:54 hill1 kernel: sda: unknown partition table
BTW, this is a Dell Inspiron 8600
This is a USB floppy drive? That is different than the standard floppy device in Linux.
Doug P
A while back I ran into a similar problem with my floppy drive, there was not way to mount to /dev/fd0... until I did this command:
"floppy --create > /etc/floppy"
the file created contains only one line: "floppy A /dev/fd0"
then I edited my fstab with this line: "/dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto noauto, owner 0 0"
after this, using KDE, I can mount/unmount the floppy as any user: "mount /dev/fd0" or "unmont /dev/d0"
the floppy is not automatically mounted/unmounted.
~af
On 6/12/06, Douglas Phillipson phillipd@oem.doe.gov wrote:
Dave Jones wrote:
Is the floppy enabled in the BIOS ?
DaveYes, it works fine under windows. BTW, the /var/adm/messages file reports:
kernel: floppy0: no floppy controllers found
SO I guess FC5 just can't see the device???
Doug P
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On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 13:51 -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 10:44:49AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than mean a file manager should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I said it's been a while since I've had to resort to using a floppy, so things may have changed (though from the sounds of things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices. There are some entries
in a > directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Davelsmod | grep floppy returns nothing. modprobe floppy returns:
FATAL: Error inserting floppy (/lib/modules/2.6.15-1.2054_FC5/kernel/drivers/block/floppy.ko): No such device
Is the floppy enabled in the BIOS ?
Dave
This is a real mystery to me in FC5. CD's get mounted by magic it seems. There are no lines in the fstab to control this, floppies are in the same category. I have not a clue how the system manages to mount these Does anyone?.
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 04:34:34PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
This is a real mystery to me in FC5. CD's get mounted by magic it seems. There are no lines in the fstab to control this, floppies are in the same category. I have not a clue how the system manages to mount these Does anyone?.
It's done directly by the HAL daemon. It keeps its own internal record of what's mounted.
Dave
"DJ" == Dave Jones davej@redhat.com writes:
DJ> It's done directly by the HAL daemon. It keeps its own internal DJ> record of what's mounted.
Command line users do have a a way to access things still: the terribly named named gnome-mount. Of course there's no manpage but --help does work and I did eventually figure out:
gnome-mount -v -t --device /dev/fd0
gnome-mount 0.4 ** (gnome-mount:9416): DEBUG: Will attempts methods on drive object ** (gnome-mount:9416): DEBUG: Mounting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_floppy_0_storage with mount_point='', fstype='', num_options=1 ** (gnome-mount:9416): DEBUG: option='uid=500' Mounted /dev/fd0 at "/media/floppy"
There's also gnome-umount to get rid of them.
Under KDE, media:/ shows the floppy and I can mount it, but the icon doesn't change and I can't unmount it except by using gnome-umount (or umount as root).
- J<
On Monday 12 June 2006 19:10, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than mean a file manager should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I said it's been a while since I've had to resort to using a floppy, so things may have changed (though from the sounds of things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices. There are some entries in a directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Dave
Well as I've just posted, inserting a floppy in FC5 returns nothing, although removable devices are supposed to be autodetected with FC5. CDROM stuff is detected, although with a lot of bulls,,t boxes,asking what you want to do with the media.
I've just moved the same floppy to the other machine running FC2, opened Kdiskfree, mounted the floppy, and then opened it in a file manager. Works like clockwork.
Nigel.
nigel henry wrote:
On Monday 12 June 2006 19:10, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than mean a file manager should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I said it's been a while since I've had to resort to using a floppy, so things may have changed (though from the sounds of things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices. There are some entries in a directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Dave
Well as I've just posted, inserting a floppy in FC5 returns nothing, although removable devices are supposed to be autodetected with FC5. CDROM stuff is detected, although with a lot of bulls,,t boxes,asking what you want to do with the media.
I've just moved the same floppy to the other machine running FC2, opened Kdiskfree, mounted the floppy, and then opened it in a file manager. Works like clockwork.
If by 'it does not work' you mean that no icon appears on the desktop for the floppy?
Look in the 'Computer' folder on your desktop, or select the 'Places' drop down menu and then select 'Computer' and click on the Floppy icon. It will mount the floppy and a icon will appear on your desktop. You will have to unmount it by selecting that in the icon menu. The icon will disappear.
David Boles wrote:
If by 'it does not work' you mean that no icon appears on the desktop for the floppy?
Look in the 'Computer' folder on your desktop, or select the 'Places' drop down menu and then select 'Computer' and click on the Floppy icon. It will mount the floppy and a icon will appear on your desktop. You will have to unmount it by selecting that in the icon menu. The icon will disappear.
These "places" and "computer" don't exist in KDE, that I can find anyway. I'll try GNOME...
Doug P
Douglas Phillipson wrote:
David Boles wrote:
If by 'it does not work' you mean that no icon appears on the desktop for the floppy?
Look in the 'Computer' folder on your desktop, or select the 'Places' drop down menu and then select 'Computer' and click on the Floppy icon. It will mount the floppy and a icon will appear on your desktop. You will have to unmount it by selecting that in the icon menu. The icon will disappear.
These "places" and "computer" don't exist in KDE, that I can find anyway. I'll try GNOME...
Sorry Doug, I did not think about KDE. I tried KDE a long time ago, did not like it, and I have not installed it for years.
David Boles wrote:
If by 'it does not work' you mean that no icon appears on the desktop for the floppy?
Look in the 'Computer' folder on your desktop, or select the 'Places' drop down menu and then select 'Computer' and click on the Floppy icon. It will mount the floppy and a icon will appear on your desktop. You will have to unmount it by selecting that in the icon menu. The icon will disappear.
OK, under GNOME the floppy works fine. Why not KDE? GNOME mounted it on /dev/sda to /media/disk and, as should happen, popped up a window with my files. Is this a bug in KDE?
Thanks
Doug P
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 12:27 -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
OK, under GNOME the floppy works fine. Why not KDE? GNOME mounted it on /dev/sda to /media/disk and, as should happen, popped up a window with my files. Is this a bug in KDE?
As I recall from reading some release docs a while ago, Fedora palmed off handling removable media over to your desktop environment / window manager. Whilst someone has developed a way within Gnome to deal with it, it looks like someone hasn't done the same thing with KDE.
On Monday 12 June 2006 20:29, David Boles wrote:
nigel henry wrote:
On Monday 12 June 2006 19:10, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than mean a file manager should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I said it's been a while since I've had to resort to using a floppy, so things may have changed (though from the sounds of things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices. There are some entries in a directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Dave
Well as I've just posted, inserting a floppy in FC5 returns nothing, although removable devices are supposed to be autodetected with FC5. CDROM stuff is detected, although with a lot of bulls,,t boxes,asking what you want to do with the media.
I've just moved the same floppy to the other machine running FC2, opened Kdiskfree, mounted the floppy, and then opened it in a file manager. Works like clockwork.
If by 'it does not work' you mean that no icon appears on the desktop for the floppy?
Look in the 'Computer' folder on your desktop, or select the 'Places' drop down menu and then select 'Computer' and click on the Floppy icon. It will mount the floppy and a icon will appear on your desktop. You will have to unmount it by selecting that in the icon menu. The icon will disappear.
--
David
Hi David. That Might be ok if using Gnome. I've just tried it and the floppy opens ok in a file manager. I use KDE, and as I've said the CDROM/DVDROM drives open up this box asking what I want to do with this media, but even though the CDROM/DVDROM stuff opens ok in KDE, the floppy drive has gone AWOL.
There was never anything wrong with all the removable media being in /etc/fstab.
I'm damned if I am going to have to log out of KDE, log back into Gnome, (which I don't use) just to gain access to my floppy drive.
Which idiot, and I repeat "idiot" has decided to remove all the removable media from /etc/fstab?
I admit, I don't often need to use a floppy disc, but when you do, it would be nice to think that you could use it.
As you no doubt realise, I'm seriously T'd off with FC5, and thats leaving aside the Ragr 128's r128 driver problem.
Nigel.
--- nigel henry cave.dnb@tiscali.fr wrote:
On Monday 12 June 2006 20:29, David Boles wrote:
nigel henry wrote:
On Monday 12 June 2006 19:10, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700,
Douglas Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does
than mean a file manager
should pop up when a floppy is inserted and
a mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as
I said it's been
a while since I've had to resort to using a
floppy, so things
may have changed (though from the sounds of
things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd?
devices. There are some entries
in a directory called /dev/fd, which don't
appear to be floppy
related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Dave
Well as I've just posted, inserting a floppy in
FC5 returns nothing,
although removable devices are supposed to be
autodetected with FC5.
CDROM stuff is detected, although with a lot of
bulls,,t boxes,asking
what you want to do with the media.
I've just moved the same floppy to the other
machine running FC2, opened
Kdiskfree, mounted the floppy, and then opened
it in a file manager.
Works like clockwork.
If by 'it does not work' you mean that no icon
appears on the desktop for
the floppy?
Look in the 'Computer' folder on your desktop, or
select the 'Places' drop
down menu and then select 'Computer' and click on
the Floppy icon. It will
mount the floppy and a icon will appear on your
desktop. You will have to
unmount it by selecting that in the icon menu. The
icon will disappear.
--
David
Hi David. That Might be ok if using Gnome. I've just tried it and the floppy opens ok in a file manager. I use KDE, and as I've said the CDROM/DVDROM drives open up this box asking what I want to do with this media, but even though the CDROM/DVDROM stuff opens ok in KDE, the floppy drive has gone AWOL.
There was never anything wrong with all the removable media being in /etc/fstab.
I'm damned if I am going to have to log out of KDE, log back into Gnome, (which I don't use) just to gain access to my floppy drive.
Which idiot, and I repeat "idiot" has decided to remove all the removable media from /etc/fstab?
I admit, I don't often need to use a floppy disc, but when you do, it would be nice to think that you could use it.
Use Kwikdisk in KDE. It should let you mount a floppy disk by default. The fstab line with /dev/fd0 /media/floppy should be present though for this to work.
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0
Hope that kwikdisk/kdiskfree is installed on your computer and this little problem goes away for you.
Worst case is open up a terminal $ su - password: *** # mkdir -p /media/floppy # mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy and your floppy should be mounted & ready.
Regards,
Antonio
As you no doubt realise, I'm seriously T'd off with FC5, and thats leaving aside the Ragr 128's r128 driver problem.
Nigel.
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Antonio Olivares wrote:
Use Kwikdisk in KDE. It should let you mount a floppy disk by default. The fstab line with /dev/fd0 /media/floppy should be present though for this to work.
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0
Hope that kwikdisk/kdiskfree is installed on your computer and this little problem goes away for you.
Worst case is open up a terminal $ su - password: *** # mkdir -p /media/floppy # mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy and your floppy should be mounted & ready.
Regards,
Antonio
As you no doubt realise, I'm seriously T'd off with FC5, and thats leaving aside the Ragr 128's r128 driver problem.
Nigel.
There is NO /dev/fd0 device, it's notr there...
Doug P
Nigel,
Well your'e not the only one who is seriously T'd off with FC5. After 3 installs and one update to FC5, I finally had it, and dropped back to FC4. But I think part of the problems I have been having are related to the kernel. The 2.6.15 series works fine, however the 2.6.16 series both for FC4 and FC5, has caused me nothing but grief. Most of my problems seem to deal with software problems. Example Star Office 6.0 which both loads and installs under FC4 2.6.15, does not load, or is able to even be installed under the 2.6.16 kernel. Why? I have know idea, but I suspect that something was changed in the 2.6.16 kernel that has created a series of incompatabilities both with software and maybe some types of hard ware. I too had some problems with FC5 reading a Floppy Drive, but it reads just fine under FC4.
Bob
Antonio As you no doubt realise, I'm seriously T'd off with FC5, and thats leaving aside the Ragr 128's r128 driver problem.
Nigel.
From: Douglas Phillipson phillipd@oem.doe.gov Reply-To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: No floppy device in FC5 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:48:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from hormel.redhat.com ([209.132.177.30]) by bay0-mc8-f6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:50:06 -0700 Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.4.110])by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPid 7752A73266; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com[172.16.52.254])by listman.util.phx.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP idk5CKnUIm027256 for fedora-list@listman.util.phx.redhat.com;Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:31 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [172.16.48.31])by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP idk5CKnUGl023266for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:30 -0400 Received: from belak.oem.doe.gov (hqdmz1.oem.DOE.GOV [205.254.142.236])by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP idk5CKnUCS001510for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:30 -0400 Received: from katana.oem.doe.gov (mailscanner.oem.doe.gov [172.30.10.92])by belak.oem.doe.gov (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5CKnJfK020053(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO)for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:19 -0400 Received: from [172.20.10.7] (athlon.oem.doe.gov [172.20.10.7])by katana.oem.doe.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5CKkERn010492for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:46:15 -0400 X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt2+dmJjRNpz73Qh7u0ql1EfAftAA1q9IC4= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060119) References: 20060612203525.46104.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com X-U-ECN-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-U-ECN-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-U-ECN-MailScanner-From: phillipd@oem.doe.gov X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0 X-loop: fedora-list@redhat.com X-BeenThere: fedora-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: junk List-Id: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list.redhat.com> List-Unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list,mailto:fedora-list-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list List-Post: mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com List-Help: mailto:fedora-list-request@redhat.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list,mailto:fedora-list-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe Errors-To: fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com Return-Path: fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2006 20:50:06.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[C909C370:01C68E61]
Antonio Olivares wrote:
Use Kwikdisk in KDE. It should let you mount a floppy disk by default. The fstab line with /dev/fd0 /media/floppy should be present though for this to work.
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0
Hope that kwikdisk/kdiskfree is installed on your computer and this little problem goes away for you.
Worst case is open up a terminal $ su - password: *** # mkdir -p /media/floppy # mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy and your floppy should be mounted & ready.
Regards,
Antonio
As you no doubt realise, I'm seriously T'd off with FC5, and thats leaving aside the Ragr 128's r128 driver problem.
Nigel.
There is NO /dev/fd0 device, it's notr there...
Doug P
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On Tuesday 13 June 2006 02:30, S.W. Bobcat wrote:
Nigel,
Well your'e not the only one who is seriously T'd off with FC5. After 3 installs and one update to FC5, I finally had it, and dropped back to FC4. But I think part of the problems I have been having are related to the kernel. The 2.6.15 series works fine, however the 2.6.16 series both for FC4 and FC5, has caused me nothing but grief. Most of my problems seem to deal with software problems. Example Star Office 6.0 which both loads and installs under FC4 2.6.15, does not load, or is able to even be installed under the 2.6.16 kernel. Why? I have know idea, but I suspect that something was changed in the 2.6.16 kernel that has created a series of incompatabilities both with software and maybe some types of hard ware. I too had some problems with FC5 reading a Floppy Drive, but it reads just fine under FC4.
Bob
Hi Bob. I've fixed the floppy problem. Created a floppy directory in /media, then copied the /etc/fstab entry from FC2 for the floppy to FC5's. Your suggestion to create a link to device from the desktop would not work, but only because at that time I had nothing for the floppy in /etc/fstab.
Now in KDE using Kdiskfree, I can mount the floppy, then open it in a file manager, which is just as it is in FC1,2,3, and 4.
FC5 has no entries for any removable media in /etc/fstab. These are being handled by another app. Hal?
I have 3 ROM drives on this machine, plus the floppy drive. When you insert a DVD in the DVD ROM drive a box opens asking what do you want to do with this media? In the case of a DVD there are 2 options. Do nothing, or Open in file manager. Also there is a checkbox "Always do this for this type of media" . Man I hate those boxes, because if you check them, and have made an error, you have a hell of a job to find the config file to uncheck that box. The box that opens for the CDROM drive has more options, including "Play". As the floppy drive is removable media, I can't understand why there isn't a box that opens when inserting a floppy, asking what I want to do with it.
Thats life I suppose. Nigel
Thanks by the way, to all the other folks that have contributed to this thread.
Antonio As you no doubt realise, I'm seriously T'd off with FC5, and thats leaving aside the Ragr 128's r128 driver problem.
Nigel.
From: Douglas Phillipson phillipd@oem.doe.gov Reply-To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: No floppy device in FC5 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:48:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from hormel.redhat.com ([209.132.177.30]) by bay0-mc8-f6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:50:06 -0700 Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.4.110])by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPid 7752A73266; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com[172.16.52.254])by listman.util.phx.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP idk5CKnUIm027256 for fedora-list@listman.util.phx.redhat.com;Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:31 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [172.16.48.31])by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP idk5CKnUGl023266for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:30 -0400 Received: from belak.oem.doe.gov (hqdmz1.oem.DOE.GOV [205.254.142.236])by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP idk5CKnUCS001510for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:30 -0400 Received: from katana.oem.doe.gov (mailscanner.oem.doe.gov [172.30.10.92])by belak.oem.doe.gov (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5CKnJfK020053(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO)for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:49:19 -0400 Received: from [172.20.10.7] (athlon.oem.doe.gov [172.20.10.7])by katana.oem.doe.gov (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5CKkERn010492for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:46:15 -0400 X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt2+dmJjRNpz73Qh7u0ql1EfAftAA1q9IC4= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060119) References: 20060612203525.46104.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com X-U-ECN-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-U-ECN-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-U-ECN-MailScanner-From: phillipd@oem.doe.gov X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0 X-loop: fedora-list@redhat.com X-BeenThere: fedora-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: junk List-Id: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list.redhat.com> List-Unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list,mailto:fedora-list- request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list List-Post: mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com List-Help: mailto:fedora-list-request@redhat.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list,mailto:fedora-list- request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe Errors-To: fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com Return-Path: fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2006 20:50:06.0247 (UTC) FILETIME=[C909C370:01C68E61]
Antonio Olivares wrote:
Use Kwikdisk in KDE. It should let you mount a floppy disk by default. The fstab line with /dev/fd0 /media/floppy should be present though for this to work.
/dev/fd0 /media/floppy auto pamconsole,exec,noauto,managed 0 0
Hope that kwikdisk/kdiskfree is installed on your computer and this little problem goes away for you.
Worst case is open up a terminal $ su - password: *** # mkdir -p /media/floppy # mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy and your floppy should be mounted & ready.
Regards,
Antonio
As you no doubt realise, I'm seriously T'd off with FC5, and thats leaving aside the Ragr 128's r128 driver problem.
Nigel.
There is NO /dev/fd0 device, it's notr there...
Doug P
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--- nigel henry cave.dnb@tiscali.fr wrote:
On Monday 12 June 2006 19:10, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas
Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than
mean a file manager
should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a
mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I
said it's been
a while since I've had to resort to using a
floppy, so things
may have changed (though from the sounds of
things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices.
There are some entries in
a directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear
to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Dave
Well as I've just posted, inserting a floppy in FC5 returns nothing, although removable devices are supposed to be autodetected with FC5. CDROM stuff is detected, although with a lot of bulls,,t boxes,asking what you want to do with the media.
I've just moved the same floppy to the other machine running FC2, opened Kdiskfree, mounted the floppy, and then opened it in a file manager. Works like clockwork.
Nigel.
Floppies are not automounted when you insert a floppy in an FC5 machine. In most cases you have to become root to mount it via command line. # mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
It worked beautifly for FC2 - FC4 (Using either system tools -> disk management -> user mount tool or kdiskfree/kwikdisk) since I skipped FC1.
some CD are not automounted either, but when that happens I mount them through command line.
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On Monday 12 June 2006 21:50, Antonio Olivares wrote:
--- nigel henry cave.dnb@tiscali.fr wrote:
On Monday 12 June 2006 19:10, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas
Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than
mean a file manager
should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a
mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I
said it's been
a while since I've had to resort to using a
floppy, so things
may have changed (though from the sounds of
things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices.
There are some entries in
a directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear
to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Dave
Well as I've just posted, inserting a floppy in FC5 returns nothing, although removable devices are supposed to be autodetected with FC5. CDROM stuff is detected, although with a lot of bulls,,t boxes,asking what you want to do with the media.
I've just moved the same floppy to the other machine running FC2, opened Kdiskfree, mounted the floppy, and then opened it in a file manager. Works like clockwork.
Nigel.
Floppies are not automounted when you insert a floppy in an FC5 machine. In most cases you have to become root to mount it via command line. # mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
All I get from that is "mount can't find /dev/fd0/media/floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" . That is a true statement as removeable media is no longer in /etc/fstab.
I use FC2 on both my machines with no problems whatsoever. I know I'm going to lose support from Fedoralegacy soon for security updates, but anythings better than moving to a later version, and finding that I can't even access my floppy drive using KDE.
Someone, and I'm sorry about the language, seriously wants to get their shit together. Either put all the removable media, CDROM/DVDROM drives, and floppy drives back on /etc/fstab, or at least fix the problem where KDE users cannot get access to a floppy.
Nigel.
It worked beautifly for FC2 - FC4 (Using either system tools -> disk management -> user mount tool or kdiskfree/kwikdisk) since I skipped FC1.
some CD are not automounted either, but when that happens I mount them through command line.
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My knowledge of FC5 is limited, and it is different from FC4. I've had nothing but bad luck with FC5, as apps that run under FC4 won't run or can even be installed in FC5, but in my case I seem to have tracked it back to the 2.6.16 series of kernels. Might this be a hw problem caused by the kernel? I have know idea, BUT under FC4, and hopfully under FC5, you can try the following:
1) Lft click on the Destop, a dropdown menu should pop up.
2) Select, "Create New" --> "Link To Device" --> "Floppy Device"
That should create a FD Icon on your desktop. It should automount when you insert a floppy into the drive and should unmount when you kill it. The icon however should remain on yout desktop however.
Hope this helps
From: nigel henry cave.dnb@tiscali.fr Reply-To: For users of Fedora Core releases fedora-list@redhat.com To: fedora-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: No floppy device in FC5 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:10:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from hormel.redhat.com ([209.132.177.30]) by bay0-mc3-f6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:10:55 -0700 Received: from listman.util.phx.redhat.com (listman.util.phx.redhat.com [10.8.4.110])by hormel.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPid 0A75B733FA; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com[172.16.52.254])by listman.util.phx.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP idk5CLAli6029139 for fedora-list@listman.util.phx.redhat.com;Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:10:47 -0400 Received: from mx3.redhat.com (mx3.redhat.com [172.16.48.32])by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP idk5CLAllK028861for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:10:47 -0400 Received: from mail.libertysurf.net (mx-out.libertysurf.net [213.36.80.91])by mx3.redhat.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CLAdTC008298for fedora-list@redhat.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:10:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.9] (213.36.1.41) by mail.libertysurf.net (7.3.105.2)id 447EB0070012005D; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:10:33 +0200 X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt3Ree1aoByZ0ePRjtaeKvErASdL6iLV7tw= User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: 20060612195041.88139.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com X-RedHat-Blacklist-Warning: Relay 213.36.80.91 is blacklisted by a RBL system X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0 X-loop: fedora-list@redhat.com X-BeenThere: fedora-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: junk List-Id: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list.redhat.com> List-Unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list,mailto:fedora-list-request@redhat.com?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list List-Post: mailto:fedora-list@redhat.com List-Help: mailto:fedora-list-request@redhat.com?subject=help List-Subscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list,mailto:fedora-list-request@redhat.com?subject=subscribe Errors-To: fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com Return-Path: fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2006 21:10:55.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[B165F240:01C68E64]
On Monday 12 June 2006 21:50, Antonio Olivares wrote:
--- nigel henry cave.dnb@tiscali.fr wrote:
On Monday 12 June 2006 19:10, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:59:39AM -0700, Douglas
Phillipson wrote:
When you say, "It should just work", does than
mean a file manager
should pop up when a floppy is inserted and a
mount point created?
AFAIK, you have to mount it by hand, though as I
said it's been
a while since I've had to resort to using a
floppy, so things
may have changed (though from the sounds of
things, they haven't)
It doesn't and there are no /dev/fd? devices.
There are some entries in
a directory called /dev/fd, which don't appear
to be floppy related:
They're your per-process file-descriptors. You should have a /dev/fd0 does lsmod | grep floppy show anything?
Dave
Well as I've just posted, inserting a floppy in FC5 returns nothing, although removable devices are supposed to be autodetected with FC5. CDROM stuff is detected, although with a lot of bulls,,t boxes,asking what you want to do with the media.
I've just moved the same floppy to the other machine running FC2, opened Kdiskfree, mounted the floppy, and then opened it in a file manager. Works like clockwork.
Nigel.
Floppies are not automounted when you insert a floppy in an FC5 machine. In most cases you have to become root to mount it via command line. # mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
All I get from that is "mount can't find /dev/fd0/media/floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" . That is a true statement as removeable media is no longer in /etc/fstab.
I use FC2 on both my machines with no problems whatsoever. I know I'm going to lose support from Fedoralegacy soon for security updates, but anythings better than moving to a later version, and finding that I can't even access my floppy drive using KDE.
Someone, and I'm sorry about the language, seriously wants to get their shit together. Either put all the removable media, CDROM/DVDROM drives, and floppy drives back on /etc/fstab, or at least fix the problem where KDE users cannot get access to a floppy.
Nigel.
It worked beautifly for FC2 - FC4 (Using either system tools -> disk management -> user mount tool or kdiskfree/kwikdisk) since I skipped FC1.
some CD are not automounted either, but when that happens I mount them through command line.
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On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 11:10:30PM +0200, nigel henry wrote:
Floppies are not automounted when you insert a floppy in an FC5 machine. In most cases you have to become root to mount it via command line. # mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
All I get from that is "mount can't find /dev/fd0/media/floppy in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" . That is a true statement as removeable media is no longer in /etc/fstab.
In your case, from reading the info in this thread, the floppy drive shows up as /dev/sda, not as /dev/fd0, since it is an internal USB device on your laptop.
On Monday 12 June 2006 18:39, Dave Jones wrote:
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 09:33:02AM -0700, Douglas Phillipson wrote:
I've read the release notes and see no mention of a floppy device, other than a mention of removable devices not being added to fstab. Where did they go? How can I make them? I need to access a floppy...
That's removable devices in the sense of USB keys and the like. The floppy driver should 'just work' as it always did (though I admit, it's been about 12 months since I've personally tried it)
Dave
Well I can't say that I'm too happy about the way that FC5 is handling removable devices. Each time I load a CDROM. or a DVDROM, I get boxes opening, winging about what do I want to do with it. Just tried a floppy, and I get absolutely nothing.
It was so nice when the removable drives were in /etc/fstab. You knew exactly where you were. Now. Goodness knows what is messing about with these removable devices.
Not happy about FC5 at all, and thats apart from the r128 driver not working for my Rage 128 graphics card, which works perfectly for FC1,2, and 3 on the same machine.
Nigel.
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 07:33:14PM +0200, nigel henry wrote:
Well I can't say that I'm too happy about the way that FC5 is handling removable devices. Each time I load a CDROM. or a DVDROM, I get boxes opening, winging about what do I want to do with it. Just tried a floppy, and I get absolutely nothing.
It's been ages since I've messed with floppies, but I seem to recall that traditionally the floppy drive hardware was incapable of alerting the OS to the addition or removal of media.
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 20:01 +0100, Dave Mitchell wrote:
It's been ages since I've messed with floppies, but I seem to recall that traditionally the floppy drive hardware was incapable of alerting the OS to the addition or removal of media.
As far as I was aware, pin 34 was a diskchange indicator. And there's various ways for the drive to sense media is in the drive (optical sensors, pin sensors, at least).
Supposedly both floppies and CD/DVD drives have a method of telling the host about media changes, but it seems like people don't bother to take advantage of them (doing silly things like periodically trying to spin the disc to see if one's being inserted, instead).
Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 20:01 +0100, Dave Mitchell wrote:
It's been ages since I've messed with floppies, but I seem to recall that traditionally the floppy drive hardware was incapable of alerting the OS to the addition or removal of media.
As far as I was aware, pin 34 was a diskchange indicator. And there's various ways for the drive to sense media is in the drive (optical sensors, pin sensors, at least).
Yes, but no interrupt is generated on medium change.
Supposedly both floppies and CD/DVD drives have a method of telling the host about media changes, but it seems like people don't bother to take advantage of them (doing silly things like periodically trying to spin the disc to see if one's being inserted, instead).
At one time Solaris did that, if you configured it to.
Mike
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 10:33, nigel henry wrote:
Well I can't say that I'm too happy about the way that FC5 is handling removable devices. Each time I load a CDROM. or a DVDROM, I get boxes opening, winging about what do I want to do with it. Just tried a floppy, and I get absolutely nothing.
What, in your estimation, would be the correct behavior? And what other OS and operating environment gets this behavior right?
On Monday 12 June 2006 21:05, Alan M. Evans wrote:
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 10:33, nigel henry wrote:
Well I can't say that I'm too happy about the way that FC5 is handling removable devices. Each time I load a CDROM. or a DVDROM, I get boxes opening, winging about what do I want to do with it. Just tried a floppy, and I get absolutely nothing.
What, in your estimation, would be the correct behavior? And what other OS and operating environment gets this behavior right?
Hi Alan. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but on FC2 I can insert a floppy, and with KDE's Kdiskfree can mount the floppy, then open it in a file manager with no problems. FC5 does not want to know. As far as it is concerned using KDE, the floppy drive does not exist.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to complain about this problem, I want to see it fixed, and clearly, at least with KDE, there is a problem at the moment.
Perhaps the bright spark who decided to remove the removable media from /etc/fstab would post back, telling me how I can access my floppy drive while logged into KDE.
Nigel. (not too impressed with FC5)
nigel henry wrote:
[snip]
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to complain about this problem, I want to
Why not?
see it fixed, and clearly, at least with KDE, there is a problem at the moment.
Perhaps the bright spark who decided to remove the removable media from /etc/fstab would post back, telling me how I can access my floppy drive while logged into KDE.
Unless the eventual plan is get rid of /etc/fstab entirely, then different file systems should not have their mounts described in different places and in different formats. Especially, I for one do not like systems automatically doing stuff without there being a place to control how they do it.
Nigel. (not too impressed with FC5)
Hmm. Have you thought about Debian?
Mike
On Thursday 15 June 2006 16:23, Mike McCarty wrote:
nigel henry wrote:
[snip]
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to complain about this problem, I want to
Why not?
If this had been an MS OS that you'd paid for, then I suppose you should complain. Not that they would have listened. When you get something for free, I believe it's a bit different. Alright, you expect it to work, and FC5 does, although with the caveat that a lot of folks seem to be having Nvidea, and ATI graphics driver problems. Me too, with Rage128's r128 driver. But I'm using the vesa one, and apart from not being able to play DVD's, the graphics are ok.
I think my biggest complaint is that when you insert disk 1, you have no idea of changes that have been made since the earlier version of FC. A couple of pages here, showing major changes from the previous FC, and perhaps things to take note of during the install. This, before Anaconda starts, could save a lot of hassle, and annoyance, particularly for existing FC users. Putting aside the floppy problem, which I've fixed by creating a floppy directory in /media, and creating an /etc/fstab entry for the floppy, the biggest annoyance for me as a dial-up user is pirut. (pronounced pirate)
I had a lot of problems installing FC4, having to retry the install between 12 and 15 times. Tried reducing the packages to be installed, doing a basic workstation install, and on and on. Perhaps this was why with FC5, and for the first time, I (bad move) did not customise the packages to be installed, only to find out post install, and after changing the r128 graphics driver to vesa, that pirut was, as of yet, incapable of accessing the CDROMS to add packages, without creating a local Yum repo, and I only discovered that after trawling through Fedoraforum. I would not want to put a new user to Linux through the hassle of creating a local Yum repo, taking up 3GB of harddrive space, and due to updates to the packages will probably only be of any use for about 3 months.
I suppose at discovering the "pirut" problem, and only having to had to change the graphics card driver to get X started, I should have re-installed. Going the Linux way, not the MS (you need to re-install the OS) way, I merrily DL'd KDE, and all the development stuff that I normally install. (lots of dialup time)
I have since put another install of FC5 on the same machine. Using the, once bitten twice shy premise, this time I customised the packages on the way through.
This is a light hearted reply, and see what you get from asking "why not".
I'm 57 years old, only started with computers in 1993, while encouraging my son to get into IT. Started with an old P1 with Win 98, then moved onto a new machine with XP preinstalled. I tried to get my son interested also in Linux. Always wanting to try out something a bit near the edge, I tried Linux, and have never turned back. My son's latest job is mainly working with MS OS's, but he did say they a machine with RH on it, so there is hope yet.
Incidentally, XP don't want to bootup on the machine it was originally installed on. There's a lot of 3rd party security on it, so I don't believe it's infected. I don't think it likes the idea that so many Linux distros are running on it's machine.
see it fixed, and clearly, at least with KDE, there is a problem at the moment.
Perhaps the bright spark who decided to remove the removable media from /etc/fstab would post back, telling me how I can access my floppy drive while logged into KDE.
Unless the eventual plan is get rid of /etc/fstab entirely, then different file systems should not have their mounts described in different places and in different formats. Especially, I for one do not like systems automatically doing stuff without there being a place to control how they do it.
Nigel. (not too impressed with FC5)
Perhaps I was feeling a bit grumpy when I said that.lol.
Hmm. Have you thought about Debian?
I am running Debian as well.
Just 2 machines networked through a dedicated Smoothwall Express2 firewall, and onto the Internet with a serial (slow as hell on dialup) modem, but better than no connection.
!st machine has Win ME (just goes on line for 3rd party security updates), FC1,FC2,FC3, and the 2 instances of FC5.
2nd machine (the one that XP won't bootup on now) has FC1, FC2, FC3, FC4,Debian Sarge, Debian Sarge/Etch, Slackware 10.0, Gentoo (which as a newbie wasn't a bundle of fun to install).
Right. Run out of words now. Nigel.
Mike
p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
nigel henry wrote:
On Thursday 15 June 2006 16:23, Mike McCarty wrote:
nigel henry wrote:
[snip]
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to complain about this problem, I want to
Why not?
If this had been an MS OS that you'd paid for, then I suppose you should complain. Not that they would have listened. When you get something for free, I believe it's a bit different. Alright, you expect it to work, and FC5 does, although with the caveat that a lot of folks seem to be having Nvidea, and ATI graphics driver problems. Me too, with Rage128's r128 driver. But I'm using the vesa one, and apart from not being able to play DVD's, the graphics are ok.
I think my biggest complaint is that when you insert disk 1, you have no idea of changes that have been made since the earlier version of FC. A couple of pages here, showing major changes from the previous FC, and perhaps things to take note of during the install. This, before Anaconda starts, could save a lot of hassle, and annoyance, particularly for existing FC users. Putting aside the floppy problem, which I've fixed by creating a floppy directory in /media, and creating an /etc/fstab entry for the floppy, the biggest annoyance for me as a dial-up user is pirut. (pronounced pirate)
I had a lot of problems installing FC4, having to retry the install between 12 and 15 times. Tried reducing the packages to be installed, doing a basic workstation install, and on and on. Perhaps this was why with FC5, and for the first time, I (bad move) did not customise the packages to be installed, only to find out post install, and after changing the r128 graphics driver to vesa, that pirut was, as of yet, incapable of accessing the CDROMS to add packages, without creating a local Yum repo, and I only discovered that after trawling through Fedoraforum. I would not want to put a new user to Linux through the hassle of creating a local Yum repo, taking up 3GB of harddrive space, and due to updates to the packages will probably only be of any use for about 3 months.
I suppose at discovering the "pirut" problem, and only having to had to change the graphics card driver to get X started, I should have re-installed. Going the Linux way, not the MS (you need to re-install the OS) way, I merrily DL'd KDE, and all the development stuff that I normally install. (lots of dialup time)
I have since put another install of FC5 on the same machine. Using the, once bitten twice shy premise, this time I customised the packages on the way through.
This is a light hearted reply, and see what you get from asking "why not".
I'm 57 years old, only started with computers in 1993, while encouraging my son to get into IT. Started with an old P1 with Win 98, then moved onto a new machine with XP preinstalled. I tried to get my son interested also in Linux. Always wanting to try out something a bit near the edge, I tried Linux, and have never turned back. My son's latest job is mainly working with MS OS's, but he did say they a machine with RH on it, so there is hope yet.
Incidentally, XP don't want to bootup on the machine it was originally installed on. There's a lot of 3rd party security on it, so I don't believe it's infected. I don't think it likes the idea that so many Linux distros are running on it's machine.
see it fixed, and clearly, at least with KDE, there is a problem at the moment.
Perhaps the bright spark who decided to remove the removable media from /etc/fstab would post back, telling me how I can access my floppy drive while logged into KDE.
Unless the eventual plan is get rid of /etc/fstab entirely, then different file systems should not have their mounts described in different places and in different formats. Especially, I for one do not like systems automatically doing stuff without there being a place to control how they do it.
Nigel. (not too impressed with FC5)
Perhaps I was feeling a bit grumpy when I said that.lol.
Hmm. Have you thought about Debian?
I am running Debian as well.
Just 2 machines networked through a dedicated Smoothwall Express2 firewall, and onto the Internet with a serial (slow as hell on dialup) modem, but better than no connection.
!st machine has Win ME (just goes on line for 3rd party security updates), FC1,FC2,FC3, and the 2 instances of FC5.
2nd machine (the one that XP won't bootup on now) has FC1, FC2, FC3, FC4,Debian Sarge, Debian Sarge/Etch, Slackware 10.0, Gentoo (which as a newbie wasn't a bundle of fun to install).
Right. Run out of words now. Nigel.
Mike
p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
You went from FC-2 to FC-5. Didn't you think that maybe, just maybe, something might have changed in all of that time?
What you are talking about is called "Release Notes" Start here:
http://fedora.redhat.com/ Then click on the Big red word Documenation
which will take you here:
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/
There are many links here to useful information. But since you are jumping three releases I would suggest that you read FC-3 and FC-4 also.
There are also many user websites with helpful information. Many are mentioned here, on this list, all of the time.
BTW the 'Release Notes" are also available to read on one of the installer pages on CD-1. Lower right hand corner. Before you install anything.
As for DVD's that I can not say for sure because I don't do that. I would think that you need the codecs so that your player can read the DVD. Those are NOT included because they are not opensource. The video problem you mentioned is a Nvidia problem because, once again, the drivers are not open source. Fedora does not supply non open source packages. Both should be available on not-fedora sites however.
On Thursday 15 June 2006 21:02, David Boles wrote:
nigel henry wrote:
On Thursday 15 June 2006 16:23, Mike McCarty wrote:
nigel henry wrote:
[snip]
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to complain about this problem, I want to
Why not?
If this had been an MS OS that you'd paid for, then I suppose you should complain. Not that they would have listened. When you get something for free, I believe it's a bit different. Alright, you expect it to work, and FC5 does, although with the caveat that a lot of folks seem to be having Nvidea, and ATI graphics driver problems. Me too, with Rage128's r128 driver. But I'm using the vesa one, and apart from not being able to play DVD's, the graphics are ok.
I think my biggest complaint is that when you insert disk 1, you have no idea of changes that have been made since the earlier version of FC. A couple of pages here, showing major changes from the previous FC, and perhaps things to take note of during the install. This, before Anaconda starts, could save a lot of hassle, and annoyance, particularly for existing FC users. Putting aside the floppy problem, which I've fixed by creating a floppy directory in /media, and creating an /etc/fstab entry for the floppy, the biggest annoyance for me as a dial-up user is pirut. (pronounced pirate)
I had a lot of problems installing FC4, having to retry the install between 12 and 15 times. Tried reducing the packages to be installed, doing a basic workstation install, and on and on. Perhaps this was why with FC5, and for the first time, I (bad move) did not customise the packages to be installed, only to find out post install, and after changing the r128 graphics driver to vesa, that pirut was, as of yet, incapable of accessing the CDROMS to add packages, without creating a local Yum repo, and I only discovered that after trawling through Fedoraforum. I would not want to put a new user to Linux through the hassle of creating a local Yum repo, taking up 3GB of harddrive space, and due to updates to the packages will probably only be of any use for about 3 months.
I suppose at discovering the "pirut" problem, and only having to had to change the graphics card driver to get X started, I should have re-installed. Going the Linux way, not the MS (you need to re-install the OS) way, I merrily DL'd KDE, and all the development stuff that I normally install. (lots of dialup time)
I have since put another install of FC5 on the same machine. Using the, once bitten twice shy premise, this time I customised the packages on the way through.
This is a light hearted reply, and see what you get from asking "why not".
I'm 57 years old, only started with computers in 1993, while encouraging my son to get into IT. Started with an old P1 with Win 98, then moved onto a new machine with XP preinstalled. I tried to get my son interested also in Linux. Always wanting to try out something a bit near the edge, I tried Linux, and have never turned back. My son's latest job is mainly working with MS OS's, but he did say they a machine with RH on it, so there is hope yet.
Incidentally, XP don't want to bootup on the machine it was originally installed on. There's a lot of 3rd party security on it, so I don't believe it's infected. I don't think it likes the idea that so many Linux distros are running on it's machine.
see it fixed, and clearly, at least with KDE, there is a problem at the moment.
Perhaps the bright spark who decided to remove the removable media from /etc/fstab would post back, telling me how I can access my floppy drive while logged into KDE.
Unless the eventual plan is get rid of /etc/fstab entirely, then different file systems should not have their mounts described in different places and in different formats. Especially, I for one do not like systems automatically doing stuff without there being a place to control how they do it.
Nigel. (not too impressed with FC5)
Perhaps I was feeling a bit grumpy when I said that.lol.
Hmm. Have you thought about Debian?
I am running Debian as well.
Just 2 machines networked through a dedicated Smoothwall Express2 firewall, and onto the Internet with a serial (slow as hell on dialup) modem, but better than no connection.
!st machine has Win ME (just goes on line for 3rd party security updates), FC1,FC2,FC3, and the 2 instances of FC5.
2nd machine (the one that XP won't bootup on now) has FC1, FC2, FC3, FC4,Debian Sarge, Debian Sarge/Etch, Slackware 10.0, Gentoo (which as a newbie wasn't a bundle of fun to install).
Right. Run out of words now. Nigel.
Mike
p="p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} This message made from 100% recycled bits. You have found the bank of Larn. I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you. I speak only for myself, and I am unanimous in that!
You went from FC-2 to FC-5. Didn't you think that maybe, just maybe, something might have changed in all of that time?
David. You are merely confirming why I said I did not like complaining, but was simply looking for help, even though I might have been a bit T'd off at the time when posting the message.
I did not upgrade from FC2 to FC5. I have FC1, FC2, FC3, FC4, and now FC5, along with other Linux distros running on these 2 machines. I do not upgrade FC, I install fresh on spare harddrive space
What you are talking about is called "Release Notes" Start here:
http://fedora.redhat.com/ Then click on the Big red word Documenation
which will take you here:
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/
There are many links here to useful information. But since you are jumping three releases I would suggest that you read FC-3 and FC-4 also.
Just where did you get the idea from that I'd jumped 3 releases?
There are also many user websites with helpful information. Many are mentioned here, on this list, all of the time.
BTW the 'Release Notes" are also available to read on one of the installer pages on CD-1. Lower right hand corner. Before you install anything.
As for DVD's that I can not say for sure because I don't do that. I would think that you need the codecs so that your player can read the DVD. Those are NOT included because they are not opensource. The video problem you mentioned is a Nvidia problem because, once again, the drivers are not open source. Fedora does not supply non open source packages. Both should be available on not-fedora sites however.
This has nothing to do with codecs. I have FC1, FC2, and FC3 on this machine, using an old Rage128 graphics card. Mplayer, Ogle, and Xine will play DVD's with no problem. The problem is that X on FC5 will not start using the r128 driver, which has no problem with FC1,2,and 3, on the same machine. I have to use the vesa driver on FC5, and consequently, because of the 100% CPU useage of the vesa driver when playing DVD's, viewing them is really crap.
Just to state this again.
The r128 driver is fine for FC1,2, and 3, and I can watch DVD's, using Mplayer, Ogle, or Xine.
The r128 driver will not work on FC5, and I have to use the vesa driver. The results using the vesa driver, are that the video is juddery, like an old time movie, and no doubt because of the juddery video, the sound is out of sync.
Here's a challenge. If you're so quick to critisize my post, how about giving me some very clear instructions how to get the r128 graphics card driver working on FC5.
I'm not talking about a few links to various sites, and do it for yourself. lets have some explicit info to get this driver working on FC5.
Nigel.
--
David
Alan M. Evans wrote:
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 10:33, nigel henry wrote:
Well I can't say that I'm too happy about the way that FC5 is handling removable devices. Each time I load a CDROM. or a DVDROM, I get boxes opening, winging about what do I want to do with it. Just tried a floppy, and I get absolutely nothing.
What, in your estimation, would be the correct behavior? And what other OS and operating environment gets this behavior right?
All MicroSoft products handle floppies better than all versions of Linux.
Mike
On 6/15/06, Mike McCarty Mike.McCarty@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Alan M. Evans wrote:
On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 10:33, nigel henry wrote:
Well I can't say that I'm too happy about the way that FC5 is handling removable devices. Each time I load a CDROM. or a DVDROM, I get boxes opening, winging about what do I want to do with it. Just tried a floppy, and I get absolutely nothing.
What, in your estimation, would be the correct behavior? And what other OS and operating environment gets this behavior right?
All MicroSoft products handle floppies better than all versions of Linux.
And the last time I used a Mac with a floppy drive it had the correct behaviour (detected and appeared on the desktop). That would be a decade ago...
(That said, it also had the incorrect behaviour that if the disk got stuck in the drive it was possibly an RMA)
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