12:31 a.m.
Matt C wrote:
>How many Disk space for the Whole System ( Install all packages )
?
>
>
You can do a *minimum* text-only install in just about one gig. I'm not
sure about the whole thing, but you probably don't want everything if
you're concerned about disk space.
I just open the file from CD Disk1 ( file:///D:/RELEASE-NOTES-en_US.html
<mailbox:///E%7C/Edward/emails/Sent?number=272080672&part=1.1.2&filename=RELEASE-NOTES-en_US.html>
) :
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6.3.1.2.Hard Disk Space Requirements
The disk space requirements listed below represent the disk space taken
up by Fedora Core 6 after the installation is complete. However,
additional disk space is required during the installation to support the
installation environment. This additional disk space corresponds to the
size of /Fedora/base/stage2.img on Installation Disc 1 plus the size of
the files in /var/lib/rpm on the installed system.
In practical terms, additional space requirements may range from as
little as 90 MiB for a minimal installation to as much as an additional
175 MiB for an installation that includes nearly all the packages. The
complete installed packages can occupy over 9 GB of disk space.
Additional space is also required for any user data, and at least 5%
free space should be maintained for proper system operation.
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So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is ok ?
7:03 a.m.
On Monday 01 January 2007 11:14, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
Matt C wrote:
>>So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is ok ?
>
>10GB is good for the root partition. Depending on what you're using the
>machine for, you might also want 20GB for /home.
Sorry, what useful for root partition ?
Edward, mine is a very average install - nowhere near everything. 'df -h'
shows
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdb1 12G 4.7G 6.7G 42% /
I think you are going to need more space than you originally thought if you
want such a lot installed.
Anne
7:09 a.m.
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 01 January 2007 11:14, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>Matt C wrote:
>
>
>>>So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is ok ?
>>>
>>>
>>10GB is good for the root partition. Depending on what you're using the
>>machine for, you might also want 20GB for /home.
>>
>>
>Sorry, what useful for root partition ?
>
>
Edward, mine is a very average install - nowhere near everything. 'df -h'
shows
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdb1 12G 4.7G 6.7G 42% /
I think you are going to need more space than you originally thought if you
want such a lot installed.
Anne
All of the packages around 4.xGB size ?
BTW, how about of your swap partition ?
What Internet Service are you using ?
Edward.
7:18 a.m.
New subject: Tool ( command line ) for FC
edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
>On Monday 01 January 2007 11:14, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>
>
>>Matt C wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is ok ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>10GB is good for the root partition. Depending on what you're using the
>>>machine for, you might also want 20GB for /home.
>>>
>>>
>>Sorry, what useful for root partition ?
>>
>>
>
>Edward, mine is a very average install - nowhere near everything. 'df -h'
>shows
>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>/dev/hdb1 12G 4.7G 6.7G 42% /
>
>I think you are going to need more space than you originally thought if you
>want such a lot installed.
>
>Anne
>
>
All of the packages around 4.xGB size ?
BTW, how about of your swap partition ?
What Internet Service are you using ?
Edward.
Sorry, is there a option similar with "-h" for free shows ?
7:32 a.m.
New subject: Tool ( command line ) for FC
On Monday 01 January 2007 13:18, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
> Anne Wilson wrote:
>>On Monday 01 January 2007 11:14, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>>Matt C wrote:
>>>>>So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is ok ?
>>>>
>>>>10GB is good for the root partition. Depending on what you're using
>>>> the machine for, you might also want 20GB for /home.
>>>
>>>Sorry, what useful for root partition ?
>>
>>Edward, mine is a very average install - nowhere near everything. 'df
>> -h' shows
>>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>>/dev/hdb1 12G 4.7G 6.7G 42% /
>>
>>I think you are going to need more space than you originally thought if
>> you want such a lot installed.
>>
>>Anne
>
> All of the packages around 4.xGB size ?
> BTW, how about of your swap partition ?
> What Internet Service are you using ?
>
> Edward.
Sorry, is there a option similar with "-h" for free shows ?
Yes 'df -h' shows the results in human-readable form. That is, in GB, MB etc.
rather than in huge numbers that mind-boggle at first sight :-)
Anne
7:21 a.m.
On Monday 01 January 2007 13:09, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
>On Monday 01 January 2007 11:14, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>Matt C wrote:
>>>>So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is ok ?
>>>
>>>10GB is good for the root partition. Depending on what you're using the
>>>machine for, you might also want 20GB for /home.
>>
>>Sorry, what useful for root partition ?
>
>Edward, mine is a very average install - nowhere near everything. 'df -h'
>shows
>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>/dev/hdb1 12G 4.7G 6.7G 42% /
>
>I think you are going to need more space than you originally thought if
> you want such a lot installed.
>
>Anne
All of the packages around 4.xGB size ?
Yes, at this moment, but that doesn't show any indication of /temp usage,
which can be quite high from time to time.
BTW, how about of your swap partition ?
1GB. I had only 512MB on FC4 and it never caused me any problems. It was
rarely used.
What Internet Service are you using ?
Not sure what you are asking there, Edward. No Internet service that accounts
for anything significant. Apart from samba I don't run any servers. My
biggest space-requirement is when I'm video-processing, so I have special
partitions and a huge /home to allow for that.
Anne
7:25 a.m.
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 01 January 2007 13:09, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>Anne Wilson wrote:
>
>
>>On Monday 01 January 2007 11:14, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Matt C wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is ok ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>10GB is good for the root partition. Depending on what you're using
the
>>>>machine for, you might also want 20GB for /home.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Sorry, what useful for root partition ?
>>>
>>>
>>Edward, mine is a very average install - nowhere near everything. 'df
-h'
>>shows
>>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>>/dev/hdb1 12G 4.7G 6.7G 42% /
>>
>>I think you are going to need more space than you originally thought if
>>you want such a lot installed.
>>
>>Anne
>>
>>
>All of the packages around 4.xGB size ?
>
>
Yes, at this moment, but that doesn't show any indication of /temp usage,
which can be quite high from time to time.
>BTW, how about of your swap partition ?
>
>
1GB. I had only 512MB on FC4 and it never caused me any problems. It was
rarely used.
1GB swap size for 512MB actual mem ?
So, your formula is swap = actual mem * 2 ( 2x) , right ?
Edward.
7:35 a.m.
On Monday 01 January 2007 13:25, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
>On Monday 01 January 2007 13:09, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>Anne Wilson wrote:
>>>On Monday 01 January 2007 11:14, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>>>Matt C wrote:
>>>>>>So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is ok ?
>>>>>
>>>>>10GB is good for the root partition. Depending on what you're
using
>>>>> the machine for, you might also want 20GB for /home.
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, what useful for root partition ?
>>>
>>>Edward, mine is a very average install - nowhere near everything. 'df
>>> -h' shows
>>>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>>>/dev/hdb1 12G 4.7G 6.7G 42% /
>>>
>>>I think you are going to need more space than you originally thought if
>>>you want such a lot installed.
>>>
>>>Anne
>>
>>All of the packages around 4.xGB size ?
>
>Yes, at this moment, but that doesn't show any indication of /temp usage,
>which can be quite high from time to time.
>
>>BTW, how about of your swap partition ?
>
>1GB. I had only 512MB on FC4 and it never caused me any problems. It was
>rarely used.
1GB swap size for 512MB actual mem ?
So, your formula is swap = actual mem * 2 ( 2x) , right ?
Yes. It used to be thought that you should always have 2x actual memory, but
that was in the days when memory was small. It's said that nowadays you
never need more than 512MB unless you have some activity that uses a large
amount of memory over noticeable amounts of time. Others on the list will
tell you which specific activities could cause that situation. With big
drives it just seems easier to give a whole GB rather than split it.
Anne
7:40 a.m.
Anne Wilson wrote:
On Monday 01 January 2007 13:25, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>Anne Wilson wrote:
>
>
>>On Monday 01 January 2007 13:09, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Anne Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Monday 01 January 2007 11:14, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Matt C wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is ok ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>10GB is good for the root partition. Depending on what you're
using
>>>>>>the machine for, you might also want 20GB for /home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry, what useful for root partition ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Edward, mine is a very average install - nowhere near everything.
'df
>>>>-h' shows
>>>>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>>>>/dev/hdb1 12G 4.7G 6.7G 42% /
>>>>
>>>>I think you are going to need more space than you originally thought if
>>>>you want such a lot installed.
>>>>
>>>>Anne
>>>>
>>>>
>>>All of the packages around 4.xGB size ?
>>>
>>>
>>Yes, at this moment, but that doesn't show any indication of /temp usage,
>>which can be quite high from time to time.
>>
>>
>>
>>>BTW, how about of your swap partition ?
>>>
>>>
>>1GB. I had only 512MB on FC4 and it never caused me any problems. It was
>>rarely used.
>>
>>
>1GB swap size for 512MB actual mem ?
>So, your formula is swap = actual mem * 2 ( 2x) , right ?
>
>
>
Yes. It used to be thought that you should always have 2x actual memory, but
that was in the days when memory was small. It's said that nowadays you
never need more than 512MB unless you have some activity that uses a large
amount of memory over noticeable amounts of time. Others on the list will
tell you which specific activities could cause that situation. With big
drives it just seems easier to give a whole GB rather than split it.
Anne
So, is there a tool for changing the size of swap partition if more
application program need to be running ?
7:51 a.m.
On Monday 01 January 2007 13:40, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
Anne Wilson wrote:
>On Monday 01 January 2007 13:25, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>Anne Wilson wrote:
>>>On Monday 01 January 2007 13:09, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>>>Anne Wilson wrote:
>>>>>On Monday 01 January 2007 11:14, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>>>>>>Matt C wrote:
>>>>>>>>So, I think 10GB Disk space for install all packages is
ok ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>10GB is good for the root partition. Depending on what
you're using
>>>>>>>the machine for, you might also want 20GB for /home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry, what useful for root partition ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Edward, mine is a very average install - nowhere near everything.
'df
>>>>>-h' shows
>>>>>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>>>>>/dev/hdb1 12G 4.7G 6.7G 42% /
>>>>>
>>>>>I think you are going to need more space than you originally thought
>>>>> if you want such a lot installed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anne
>>>>
>>>>All of the packages around 4.xGB size ?
>>>
>>>Yes, at this moment, but that doesn't show any indication of /temp
>>> usage, which can be quite high from time to time.
>>>
>>>>BTW, how about of your swap partition ?
>>>
>>>1GB. I had only 512MB on FC4 and it never caused me any problems. It
>>> was rarely used.
>>
>>1GB swap size for 512MB actual mem ?
>>So, your formula is swap = actual mem * 2 ( 2x) , right ?
>
>Yes. It used to be thought that you should always have 2x actual memory,
> but that was in the days when memory was small. It's said that nowadays
> you never need more than 512MB unless you have some activity that uses a
> large amount of memory over noticeable amounts of time. Others on the
> list will tell you which specific activities could cause that situation.
> With big drives it just seems easier to give a whole GB rather than split
> it.
>
>Anne
So, is there a tool for changing the size of swap partition if more
application program need to be running ?
I doubt it. There are other ways if you really need it, though. You can have
more than one swap partition. If you have two drives it can be beneficial to
have a swap on each, particularly if you have very frequent writes. There's
also the possibility of a swap file, though I know nothing more about that.
Most of the time linux handles swap so efficiently that it moves things in
and out of memory, barely touching the swap partition at all.
Is there anything about swap that particularly worries you? Have you already
got a swap partition that you think may be too small, or are you just
worrying in case you make the wrong decision?
If disk space is not a problem to you, leave some of your disk empty. You can
then use the additional space to rectify any problems caused by a wrong guess
at the beginning.
Anne
11:49 p.m.
On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 21:40:34 +0800,
edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>
So, is there a tool for changing the size of swap partition if more
application program need to be running ?
That generally isn't going to work without a lot of pain.
If you think you are going to change the amount of swap space you are going
to use, you should think about using a swap file or LVM instead of a
swap partition.
2:40 p.m.
edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo:
> So, is there a tool for changing the size of swap partition if
more
> application program need to be running ?
Bruno Wolff III:
That generally isn't going to work without a lot of pain.
If you think you are going to change the amount of swap space you are going
to use, you should think about using a swap file or LVM instead of a
swap partition.
Or just set up a rather large one, in the first place.
If you want to suspend-to-disc, the swap needs to be a bit larger than
real RAM, at least.
--
(Currently testing FC5, but still running FC4, if that's important.)
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7:48 a.m.
Anne Wilson wrote:
Yes. It used to be thought that you should always have 2x actual
memory, but
that was in the days when memory was small. It's said that nowadays you
never need more than 512MB unless you have some activity that uses a large
amount of memory over noticeable amounts of time. Others on the list will
tell you which specific activities could cause that situation. With big
drives it just seems easier to give a whole GB rather than split it.
Anne
So, how do you calculate your swap size for the system ?
Edward.
4:08 a.m.
On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 14:31 +0800, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
Additional space is also required for any user data, and at least 5%
free space should be maintained for proper system operation.
Plus space for /tmp...
--
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5:19 a.m.
Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2007-01-01 at 14:31 +0800, edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo wrote:
>Additional space is also required for any user data, and at least 5%
>free space should be maintained for proper system operation.
>
>
Plus space for /tmp...
So, how many Disk space ( MB / GB ) do you want to use for /tmp ?
5:37 a.m.
Tim:
> Plus space for /tmp...
edwardspl(a)ita.org.mo:
So, how many Disk space ( MB / GB ) do you want to use for /tmp ?
Depends on what you do with the computer. In my case, I left about 10
gigs, so I can create images for burning dual-layer DVDs. On another
box with just a CD burner, I had a 1 gig partition. If all you did that
might want lots of temp space was graphic imaging, you might only want
to bother with a few hundred megs.
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